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Post by speedbump on Mar 24, 2021 10:16:41 GMT -6
Perry Freeman was a police detective working for Colorado Springs when a call came in on the anonymous tip line. This information can be found on his CopFaxx youtube channel: www.youtube.com/channel/UCyuLqGF-lXqUu7tN8cSPwuw . The caller stated the killing was an accident, and that a garrote had been used. The use of a garrote was not yet known to the public. This I believe to be the killer calling, but it was not John Ramsey's voice. So let's set aside John Ramsey, Burke Ramsey and any woman. So to find more likely suspects, lets next consider stranger intruders. Cyril Wecht stated JBR had been digitally penetrated prior to the night of the murder. While two different molesters could have done this, it is more likely one man did the crimes. So let's set aside stranger intruders. That leaves acquaintances, such as Fleet White. Men who were given, or had stolen, a house key. Fleet White was wrongly cleared as a suspect on the basis of a miniscule amount of trace DNA. John Ramsey even today could provide a list of men who may have been alone with JBR, where they could have molested her. These suspects would include close social friends such as Francesco Beuf, or perhaps men such as their pastor, or a Sunday school teacher. I believe an acquaintance of the Ramsey's was more likely to be the killer, with Fleet White at the top of the list. There is a second reason, in addition to the phone call, why I switched from JDI, or RDI, to an acquaintance intruder did it. If JR was staging, he would have left the back door unlocked, so there would have been a logical entry and exit point. He would say he was tired and went to bed without checking the locks. JR would not have reported all the windows and doors were locked. James Kolar does a good job of debunking the idea an intruder went through the broken window. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Kolar also does a good job debunking the intruder used a stun gun theory. Kolar recently had a second AMA. Most interesting to me, he believes there is one, and only one, person alive today who knows who killed JBR. This would rule out the Burke did it, JR covered up, as this would be two people. I wish Kolar would elaborate. Fleet White made a great effort to throw John Ramsey under the bus. Essentially he said, look at me, I am cooperating with the police, so I am innocent, but John Ramsey lawyered up, so he is guilty. FW worked hard trying to get a grand jury called, he wanted a grand jury to indict the Ramseys. FW was outraged when Alex Hunter had not yet agreed to a grand jury. FW protested too much over the years. Just as a man who denigrates gays, people start to wonder if the man is hiding his own gayness. As the trace DNA could be artifacts, FW never should have been cleared on the basis of not matching the DNA. The police certainly did him a big favor, when they knew the trace DNA might not be inked to the killer. Throwing attention on the Ramseys shifted attention away from himself. If viewed as a suspect, is FW bizarre enough to have written the odd ransom note? FW would have crafted the note to implicate the Ramseys. He knew he would be next in line as a suspect, if the Ramseys were cleared. Fleet White was very rich and politically connected. Did he have influence with the police management? Fleet White lived 1.2 miles away. The police said walking on the sidewalk and driveway that morning left no foot prints. FW could walk to the front door and let himself in, then walk back home. No car was necessary. If the Ramseys heard him enter, he would just say he was returning something, and did not want to disturb them. Was Santa bringing a late night present to JonBenet?
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 25, 2021 9:34:58 GMT -6
I keep asking--IF the Ramseys were willing to let SOMEONE ELSE kill JonBenet INSIDE the Ramsey home, then they didn't need to let anyone else do it. Did they? And if ANYONE else raped, tortured, and murdered their precious baby, then why the hell would the Ramseys not only cover up for them, but end up "framing" themselves in the process? And if they were "covering up" for Burke, then why not just put her in the bathtub and drown her? "She must have wet the bed and tried to take a bath and slipped and fell and hit her head on the faucet and drowned."
NONE of these fanciful scenarios make ANY sense whatsoever. "The Ramseys didn't kill JonBenet. They just tried to cover up for whoever did." "The Ramseys didn't attack JonBenet, they just finished her off." "The Ramseys didn't rape, torture, and kill JonBenet. They let/invited/hired someone else do it." "The Ramseys didn't rape, torture, and kill JonBenet. When they woke up and realized someone had, they instantly came up with some desperate plan to cover up for some anonymous intruder because..." "JonBenet was actually killed at the White's house. Then John and Patsy idiotically decided to bring the body home BUT stage a phony kidnapping..."
None of that makes any sense, whatsoever. None of it.
There is NO reason, of ANY kind, except wild imagination, that suggests ANYONE besides John (and maybe Patsy) murdering JonBenet at home. Let alone one shred of evidence that points to ANYONE besides John (and maybe Patsy.) At least Darlie Routier went so far as to stage a phony burglary. She bungled that, too, but the Ramseys didn't even bother to do that. There is not one single, solitary shred of evidence that REQUIRES the involvement of ANYONE ELSE in this crime. Sure, the Easter Bunny MIGHT have done it. But, ZERO evidence of any kind (that we know of, but the grand jury saw it all and they concluded John/Patsy did it) that REQUIRES any other suspects.
And so far as Perry "The Jim Rothstein of Colorado Springs" Freeman is concerned, his story (that he "remembers" 25 years later) isn't worth the toilet paper it isn't printed on. "I have personal knowledge..." Hoo, boy! I won't even comment on the "stun gun" horseshit.
It's reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllll simple:
1. IF the Ramseys (one, or both) DO know that JonBenet's dead body is still in the house, then WHY call 911 before they get rid of the body? How the hell is that supposed to "work?"
2. IF the Ramseys DON'T know the body is still in the house (because "someone else" broke in, spent HOURS raping, torturing, and murdering their daughter, then who know how long writing this ransom note that directly implicates all the Ramsey's close friends, totally without anyone's knowledge) then WHY is there ZERO evidence of an intruder? Let alone why the Ramseys REFUSE to cooperate with police? Let alone flat out stonewalling and interfering?
3. IF the Ramseys "let" their friends do it, then, again, WHY call 911 while the body is still in the house? How the fuck is that supposed to WORK? WHY NOT TAKE THE BODY WITH THEM?
This horsheshit story--that's all it is, a story--about a "secret phone call we never reported to anyone" does NOT answer those three questions. At all. Either John/Patsy knew the body was still in the house when Patsy called police, or they didn't. But if they didn't, then WHY stonewall the investigation from day zero? And if they did, then they are accomplices at best. And if they are "accomplices," anyway, then you don't need any other participants who magically come and go without a trace or a witness.
There is NO evidence, of any kind, at all, that ANYONE besides John Ramsey murdered JonBenet. None. ALL the actual evidence clearly shows that John did it, tried to stage a phony "kidnapping" in order to get rid of the body, and then Patsy blew the whole thing, accidentally or on purpose, by calling 911 first thing the morning of the 26th.
4. Simple: Patsy called 911 the morning of the 26th BECAUSE she knew the body was still in the house.
I don't see any "mystery" here, at all. I do see truckloads of people spending the last 25 years trying to gin up a "mystery." But I don't see an actual mystery.
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Post by speedbump on Mar 25, 2021 11:50:55 GMT -6
The phone call was reported to Lou Smit at the time. It is not a made up bull shit story. There was also a civilian witness to the call. Civilian heard it first, Freeman listened to a repeat. Perry Freeman agrees the caller was not John Ramsey, but has not moved from believing something occurred among the Ramseys. Why stonewall? Good question. That is standard lawyer advice for anyone. Four months later, the Ramseys submitted to police interviews. The Ramseys did not let someone do it. Fleet White meets all the requirements. He (likely) killed Jonbenet, and (likely)wrote the note to cover for himself. There is no actual evidence John Ramsey did it. Actual evidence beyond a ransom note is hard to find here. The autopsy, a garrote, and some tape. Kolar is correct, the trace DNA is miniscule, and not necessarily linked to the killer. Kolar is correct, no stun gun or entry through the window. 911 call by Patsy does not prove anything.
Actual evidence? Never enough to prosecute anyone.
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 26, 2021 8:56:07 GMT -6
"Civilian heard if first..." WHAT? "Freeman heard a REPEAT?" WHAT??? Do you mean a RECORDING? Apparently not, but I'm trying to clarify. "Fleet White meets all the requirements" of WHAT?? And yes, Virginia, the 911 call by Patsy does prove SOMETHING. It proves that Patsy was NOT a willing participant in any possible plans to GET RID OF THE BODY. Your "Fleet White did it" theory does NOT explain WHY the body was STILL IN THE HOUSE. It wasn't even hidden in the crawlspace. And don't tell me Fleet White was stupid. Because he isn't. NONE of these "people" are stupid. At all. I don't care how "made up" Freeman's STORY is, or isn't. It's JUST a story. Unless we can HEAR this "repeat" for ourselves, or SEE Lou Smit's report AT THE TIME, it's JUST a story. And nothing more. True? Who know? But at this time, it's ONLY a story. And we don't have to take Kolar's "word" for anything. We can SEE the DNA reports for ourselves. Do you understand the difference? At all? You need to, because it's the difference between cracking a murder case, and playing with ourselves. Now, as for Fleet White Jr's "requirements," they REQUIRE some explanations: 1.Fleet to not only spend hours inside the Ramsey home, but also requires him getting Patsy's (and maybe Burke's) fingerprints on the bowl of pineapple. HOW does he do that? 2. It requires Fleet to write a "ransom note" about a BODY STILL INSIDE THE HOUSE. How was that supposed to WORK, exactly? And I won't even ask why he didn't BRING THE RANSOM NOTE WITH HIM. 3. Fleet told Arndt that he had searched the wine cellar, and had not seen the body. IF he told the truth, then HOW did John Ramsey find the body? IF Fleet lied--IF he committed the most brilliant locked-room rape, torture, and murder of ALL TIME, then HOW the hell did he immediately tell the STUPIDEST lie of all time? Yeah, I know, he changed his story, later. Because the first thing detectives wondered was, if Fleet had looked in the room where John SAID he found the body, but didn't see the body, then Fleet must have been lying. But, as I METICULOUSLY pointed out on the show, that makes NO sense. The ONLY explanation that I have ever heard that explains ALL the known EVIDENCE is, John did it, John wrote the ransom note (or coerced Patsy to write it,) John LIED about where he found the body, and Patsy screwed up HIS whole plan by calling 911, either "accidentally," or on purpose. Oh, sure, this mythological phone call to Colorado Springs ( ) police department sure might be interesting. IF we could prove it happened, at all, AND IF we could PROVE what was actually said. But otherwise, Freeman's tall tale is just a tall tale. I know people don't like the idea of parents murdering their own children, but it does happen. Let's try again-- 1. Staging a phony "kidnapping" yet leaving the body IN THE HOUSE makes NO SENSE. And NONE of these people are "stupid." 2. It only makes sense IF the killer(s) were planning to USE the phony "kidnapping" to buy time to GET RID OF THE BODY. 3. Murdering JBR "somewhere else" and then bringing the body BACK TO THE RAMSEY HOUSE makes even LESS sense. 4. IF Patsy wrote the ransom note (on her own,) as part of a plan to get rid of the body, then calling 911 makes even LESS sense. 5. John knew where the body was, and the instant he "found" it, he lawyered up. He also made sure--just exactly like Gerald McCann--that he be present at all times when Patsy spoke to police. Why the hell would he need to do that, if he thought FLEET (or anyone else) did it? ANY theory about ANY "suspect" MUST explain all this. Must. All.
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Post by therakoon on Apr 8, 2021 14:52:28 GMT -6
Hey, just want to say great work on the information, though I fundamentally disagree with everything you've written in a comment above. I'd like to break down why you are incorrect.
"1. IF the Ramseys (one, or both) DO know that JonBenet's dead body is still in the house, then WHY call 911 before they get rid of the body? How the hell is that supposed to "work?""
The reason they called 911 is the ransom note instructed them to, not written by them but another member of the network. The contention comes with the letter C at the end of the ransom note. It was added. We can tell that based on the fact it wasn't abbreviated. the note initially read victory SBT and it was a clear homage to the murder of Jill Robinson in the occk case. It's my belief that John Ramsey participated in this murder due to blackmail relating to the North Fox Island ring (utilized to keep his aeronautics father under compliance).
When it was altered, the network of course blamed John because he was the last one with the ransom note, so they brought the girl back into the house. She would've been found on the side of the freeway otherwise, just like the occk cases.
"2. IF the Ramseys DON'T know the body is still in the house (because "someone else" broke in, spent HOURS raping, torturing, and murdering their daughter, then who know how long writing this ransom note that directly implicates all the Ramsey's close friends, totally without anyone's knowledge) then WHY is there ZERO evidence of an intruder? Let alone why the Ramseys REFUSE to cooperate with police? Let alone flat out stonewalling and interfering?"
I don't believe in the IDI theory. I do not believe the body was even supposed to end up in the home. I believe, based on evidence linking JBR to inside the suitcase, she was brought back into the home after the Ramsey's mistakenly phoned the police based on the ransom note.
"3. IF the Ramseys "let" their friends do it, then, again, WHY call 911 while the body is still in the house? How the fuck is that supposed to WORK? WHY NOT TAKE THE BODY WITH THEM?"
They didn't let their friends do anything. Everyone was equal participants in a giant first degree murder blackmail chain. They were blackmailed to participate in it. The events leading up to her death, handing over her to a pedophile photographer, the eroded hymen, the parties, even the parade, were all part of the blackmail chain. The chain had information to absolutely destroy john ramsey. His compliance was based on his own fears of who he really was, and Patsy's compliance based on the reputation or fallout of what would occur if such secrets were revealed.
"This horsheshit story--that's all it is, a story--about a "secret phone call we never reported to anyone" does NOT answer those three questions. At all. Either John/Patsy knew the body was still in the house when Patsy called police, or they didn't. But if they didn't, then WHY stonewall the investigation from day zero? And if they did, then they are accomplices at best. And if they are "accomplices," anyway, then you don't need any other participants who magically come and go without a trace or a witness."
without a trace? Take a look at the basement video footage. Take note of the clothing thrown everywhere, all adult clothing, none really the Ramsey's size. All outer garments. Everyone at that party left an article of clothing behind. This is why a Santa suit was stuffed into the crawlspace, and why, despite a lot of clothing everywhere, there were no shoes to be seen or underwear or bras or anything of that nature.
The phone call was also 100 percent real, and words were spoken.
"There is NO evidence, of any kind, at all, that ANYONE besides John Ramsey murdered JonBenet. None. ALL the actual evidence clearly shows that John did it, tried to stage a phony "kidnapping" in order to get rid of the body, and then Patsy blew the whole thing, accidentally or on purpose, by calling 911 first thing the morning of the 26th."
DNA found commingled in the blood points to a different story. The myriad of individuals over the years claiming they were there points to a different story. You are one of the best researchers I've found on the internet, but here, you are way off. Don't let media spin push into your head what occurred. It's why what occurred in the Caylee Anthony case will never, ever be solved. People have their preset beliefs, and you cannot convince them otherwise.
The main thing to look into here is Adam Starchild publishing out of Boulder leading up to her murder (take a look at the printing presses he used, and worked for. Loompanics Ltd started in northern michigan. Paladin Press in Boulder. These underground printers were utilized to print the mailing materials and I believe books were utilized as a shell of sorts to transfer said materials. Also look into James Dudley Ramsey.
Atlanta was more of the same. You should look into John Hastings in the OCCK case. Him and Ramsey both ended up in real close proximity in Georgia during the Atlanta child killings. I think these things are of note because that case as well as the occk case are clear examples of high stakes blackmail being used as a blood bond to ensure nobody talked.
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Post by anyhoo on Jul 14, 2021 10:18:34 GMT -6
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 15, 2021 6:29:54 GMT -6
Anyhoo: Be sure to let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Therakoon: "The reason they called 911 is the ransom note instructed them to" WHAT? ?? The ransom note specifically told them NOT to call police, shit for brains. And the rest of your post is even more deluded. I don't care about "theories." I care about FACTS. "I believe..." Not interested. "I found this..." THAT interests me.
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Post by dt2016 on Mar 5, 2022 2:47:47 GMT -6
Hi, just can't think of what the importance of the Wednesday underwear was? If nobody was going to see her until she was found or dug up it doesn't seem that imperitive for her to have any at all and just wrapped in a blanket or something.
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Post by therakoon on Dec 13, 2022 0:17:15 GMT -6
Anyhoo: Be sure to let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Therakoon: "The reason they called 911 is the ransom note instructed them to" WHAT? ?? The ransom note specifically told them NOT to call police, shit for brains. And the rest of your post is even James Dudley Ramsey was the aeronautics commissioner during the OCCK case. This much is talked about by a lot of individuals, including strangerinajewishworld. I have been talking about this connection since way earlier than that under my old moniker Rootless. What is rarely brought up is how the Ramsey's were actually directly involved in the investigation into the Oakland County Child Killings. An important detail in the Oakland County Child Killings is the White Dog hair found on all the victims which is the major link between all 4 oakland county children. After the suicide of Chris Busch, investigators began peering into the aviation circles for clues in the Oakland County Child Killings. It was then when the name Stanislaw came up. Stanislaw was an aviation pilot who's father worked alongside James Dudley Ramsey at one point. Shortly after the inquiries into the boat docks, Stephen Stanislaw murdered his father and dog, burying their little white dog in the backyard of their home. He served 20 years in a mental institution, being released just two weeks prior to Jonbenet's death. Actually, John himself was interviewed at one point in the Stanislaw inquiry because they flew recreationally from the same docks out of Traverse Bay. Did you know mob goon Werner Spitz also connected to both cases? He did everything he could to inject himself into the Jonbenet Ramsey case. But one of his earlier cases was when he was just a regular autopsy performer in Wayne County. What else is less known is that the autopsy performer in Oakland County legitimately helped cover up the Detroit Prostitute Murders, a series of murders in the 80s that most people are unaware even occurred. He lost his license after it was revealed he had a LOT of cases, including of the Detroit Prostitute Murders, a series of murders that occurred in the 80s in Detroit that spawned legend of a serial killer. So how does Werner Spitz fit in? One of the bodies found, that of Timothy King, was found in Wayne County instead of Oakalnd County. This sent the body to a different autopsy performer, a one Werner Spitz, who happens to be one of the only vocal experts to declare that Jonbenet Ramsey was unlikely to have been previously sexually assaulted, dismissing the evidence to the contrary that 4 out of 5 experts declared as clear and sufficient evidence of sexual assault. Then there is Adam Starchild, who not only connected to North Fox Island, but also Abscam financial fraud, as well as Boys Town MAL India via his lover Javier and a financial backchannel in Panama. Boys Town MAL India was ran by an individual named John Robert Thwaytes, who was a psychopath who was a devout follower of an occultic religion named Urantia that foresaw us stuck in a prison planet. Boys Town Mal was a tourist retreat for pedophiles, connecting to none other than Frank Torey Shelden. The financial routes filtered through to Panama to an individual named Javier. In other words, in 2012 the op was still up and running. That same Adam Starchild in 96 was publishing out of Boulder Colorado. That is a very, very important piece of information. You aren't the only one to call me a loon. But nobody who knows me can argue my heart is in the wrong place. I still have respect for you. I had a lot of respect for Trudy Zeek as well, for getting out there what he could get out there. Even more respect for him because even when he disagreed, he showed respect to those who try to pave the way. I will continue to show you respect, as I always suggest you as someone who knows how to connect dots. But do not be fooled into thinking that the dots you connect are any different than the dots I connect. Or that either of us has ownership over the truth. The truth is its own leader, and it will steer the world in the right direction. I am one of the first on the interwebs to discuss the OCCK network and Jonbenet Ramsey connections, and it still holds traction. So i may be nuts. Yes. Certified fucking nuts. But others are too. And to say the truth in a mad, mad world, well, you gotta be a little bit nuts. They will gut my info soon enough, as ive already been permabanned from reddit. But you want an evidentiary approach and my new series was just that: reddit.com/rjonbenetpatramsey Evidence points towards a pedophile network.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 15, 2022 8:40:25 GMT -6
Oooooohhhhh. THAT Oakland County. I don't care if you are a loon. I don't give a shit where your heart is located. And that'll teach you to waste time on Reddit (uh, you know who owns Reddit, right?) BUT, this looks pretty interesting, if any of it's verifiable. Do you have any docs, clippings, etc? This is a terrible (if FREE) discussion board platform. It's very complicated to post pics. Links are easy. But, let me know what you've got, and we'll go from there.
Thanks, and hang in there!
But, yeah obviously, this would be interesting. Especially the bits about Malcolm McConahy ("Starchild") and Panama (that would be the Fonseca banking house. Member them? Google "2008") and Werner Spitz.
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Post by tjtennispro on Jan 4, 2023 22:23:00 GMT -6
Glad to see you posting here Therakoon. I was banned from Reddit for taking about PTK. Don’t mind the Professor he is having a Manny fling and got weird. Anyhoo: Be sure to let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Therakoon: "The reason they called 911 is the ransom note instructed them to" WHAT? ?? The ransom note specifically told them NOT to call police, shit for brains. And the rest of your post is even James Dudley Ramsey was the aeronautics commissioner during the OCCK case. This much is talked about by a lot of individuals, including strangerinajewishworld. I have been talking about this connection since way earlier than that under my old moniker Rootless. What is rarely brought up is how the Ramsey's were actually directly involved in the investigation into the Oakland County Child Killings. An important detail in the Oakland County Child Killings is the White Dog hair found on all the victims which is the major link between all 4 oakland county children. After the suicide of Chris Busch, investigators began peering into the aviation circles for clues in the Oakland County Child Killings. It was then when the name Stanislaw came up. Stanislaw was an aviation pilot who's father worked alongside James Dudley Ramsey at one point. Shortly after the inquiries into the boat docks, Stephen Stanislaw murdered his father and dog, burying their little white dog in the backyard of their home. He served 20 years in a mental institution, being released just two weeks prior to Jonbenet's death. Actually, John himself was interviewed at one point in the Stanislaw inquiry because they flew recreationally from the same docks out of Traverse Bay. Did you know mob goon Werner Spitz also connected to both cases? He did everything he could to inject himself into the Jonbenet Ramsey case. But one of his earlier cases was when he was just a regular autopsy performer in Wayne County. What else is less known is that the autopsy performer in Oakland County legitimately helped cover up the Detroit Prostitute Murders, a series of murders in the 80s that most people are unaware even occurred. He lost his license after it was revealed he had a LOT of cases, including of the Detroit Prostitute Murders, a series of murders that occurred in the 80s in Detroit that spawned legend of a serial killer. So how does Werner Spitz fit in? One of the bodies found, that of Timothy King, was found in Wayne County instead of Oakalnd County. This sent the body to a different autopsy performer, a one Werner Spitz, who happens to be one of the only vocal experts to declare that Jonbenet Ramsey was unlikely to have been previously sexually assaulted, dismissing the evidence to the contrary that 4 out of 5 experts declared as clear and sufficient evidence of sexual assault. Then there is Adam Starchild, who not only connected to North Fox Island, but also Abscam financial fraud, as well as Boys Town MAL India via his lover Javier and a financial backchannel in Panama. Boys Town MAL India was ran by an individual named John Robert Thwaytes, who was a psychopath who was a devout follower of an occultic religion named Urantia that foresaw us stuck in a prison planet. Boys Town Mal was a tourist retreat for pedophiles, connecting to none other than Frank Torey Shelden. The financial routes filtered through to Panama to an individual named Javier. In other words, in 2012 the op was still up and running. That same Adam Starchild in 96 was publishing out of Boulder Colorado. That is a very, very important piece of information. You aren't the only one to call me a loon. But nobody who knows me can argue my heart is in the wrong place. I still have respect for you. I had a lot of respect for Trudy Zeek as well, for getting out there what he could get out there. Even more respect for him because even when he disagreed, he showed respect to those who try to pave the way. I will continue to show you respect, as I always suggest you as someone who knows how to connect dots. But do not be fooled into thinking that the dots you connect are any different than the dots I connect. Or that either of us has ownership over the truth. The truth is its own leader, and it will steer the world in the right direction. I am one of the first on the interwebs to discuss the OCCK network and Jonbenet Ramsey connections, and it still holds traction. So i may be nuts. Yes. Certified fucking nuts. But others are too. And to say the truth in a mad, mad world, well, you gotta be a little bit nuts. They will gut my info soon enough, as ive already been permabanned from reddit. But you want an evidentiary approach and my new series was just that: reddit.com/rjonbenetpatramsey Evidence points towards a pedophile network.
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