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Post by anyhoo on Oct 17, 2020 17:13:53 GMT -6
I don't have any specific knowledge of the church, but like you, I developed a suspicion that it was some kind of meeting ground for a pedophile group/cult after researching the case for a while. My suspicion was that the decision to call in the Whites, the Fernies, Father Rol Holverstock, and Dr. Francis Beuf to the Ramsey home that morning was to pollute the crime scene, allowing for any forensic evidence of their presence (likely from the staging done that night into the early morning) to be explained. There are signs that all of them were acting in lockstep, like Linda Arndt's observation that none of them cared about the 10 AM deadline passing with no phone call, and Dr. Beuf, who appears to have covered up JonBenet's long-term sexual abuse, supplying Patsy (not a patient of his!) painkillers. So to find out that every one of them other than the Whites was part of the same church in Boulder certainly raised red flags. One old Justice Watch post from 2000 even speculated along these lines: As I read this, the thought came into my mind for the first time that the death of JonBenet actually happened at St. John's Episcopal Church in Boulder, CO, which was being used as a front for Satanists in Boulder. I include the Ramseys and the Whites and the Fernies and the Stines, Rolland Hoverstock and others as being Satanists in Boulder. Just thinking aloud here, a Christmas day party happens at the residence of Fleet White Jr. and Priscilla White and then late that night a core group of people remaining from that party go to St. John's for a late night Satanic ritual. I have always noted that the timing of the death is an important one to Satanists. Christmas night at midnight has special significance to them. And where would they hold such a ritual? In the home of Fleet White Jr. or in that Satanic front Church? I can see JonBenet being ritually sexually abused on an alter in that church. But if it was held this way then it becomes much more likely that it was not an accidental death but a sacrifice. I need to contemplate this more but already I am seeing it as being a very real possibility. Speaking of Rolland Hoverstock, whenever I see his picture I get the vibes that the man was a total sleazebag. Could he have been some of kind of Satanic high priest in this Boulder cult? Just a thought.
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Post by elantric on Oct 17, 2020 17:48:13 GMT -6
UPDATE JonBenét's TRUE CASE HISTORY WARNING...Once you read it, you too must choose to do something to help bring justice to a tortured child's soul, or - simply do nothing! For nearly 14 years I have asked many authorities to... look at the mountain of evidence which warrants a DNA & Left Palm print of the 3rd Santa . Remember, hours prior to her murder, JonBenét told 4 people "Santa is coming after Christmas but it's a secret." Know this: but for the Grace of God...there go I. Since your blessing was...this was not your child, You are obligated to do something! ALL questions about the JonBenét murder case are answered in this book...including who is the 3rd Santa & who protected him in order to cover-up their own crimes. Santa (you be the judge) MURDERER OF MINE! Finally! Justice for JonBenét Author M'Linda Kula and her devoted, protective husband Thomas Kula www.jonbenetstruecasehistory.net/www.jonbenetstruecasehistory.net/supporting_evidence.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/preface.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/contents.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_1.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_2.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_3.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_4.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_5.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_6.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_7.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_8.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_9.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_10.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_11.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_12.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_13.htmljonbenetstruecasehistory.webstarts.com/chapter_14.htmlAdditional Supporting EvidenceThe 3rd Santa's name was William (Bill) Ramsey prior to JonBenét's murder. Immediately following his Christmas 1996 vacation, he changed his name and has since changed it again, multiple times.His two friends have been constant companions of his for several years (previous to the time of the crime and continuing to the present). However, after the murder, one of these friends vehemently denied any knowledge whatsoever of the alleged murderer when the police questioned: "Do you know this person?" It should be noted that the friend's application to the Karate school, in his own handwriting, states that he was referred to this school by his friend, the alleged murderer. One must ask why this friend lied to the police about his friendship and personal knowledge of the alleged murderer. A copy of the application was given to one detective. The visible truth left that detective speechless.By his own words, annual Christmas trips to the west were to visit his father in order to retrieve a large sum of money (his inheritance) (enough to sustain him for one year). He specified $118,000 was the expected amount in 1996 as mentioned in the JonBenét ransom note. He said this money was given to him to ensure his absence from his father for another year.He proclaimed himself to be the "black sheep of a very wealthy family," before his 1996 trip.He purchased the Hi-TEC boots just prior to the 1996 Christmas trip (same sole print as found next to JonBenét's body.)He possessed a three-prong stun gun, as used on the victim's body (lower left back and lower left leg).He practiced use of a stun gun on his friend's Doberman Pinscher. That friend is a convicted pedophile who molested over 53 children while simultaneously teaching the local police "tactical self-defense training techniques." The relationship between the child molesting teacher and his adult students (area police), may be why the aforementioned information was not pursued for at least 18 months after the police had been alerted to this alleged pedophile. This friend is now doing time for a mere handful (9 counts) of the crimes that he has committed.His duplicate application to the Karate school has the suspect's handwriting sample. It matches the handwriting on the ransom note. There is one letter of the alphabet that stands out as being so unique that one in ten million would print or write this particular letter in such an unusual fashion. This rare style of writing this particular letter appears on both the application and the ransom note. According to a forensic criminologist with over 25 years of experience, he has never seen this particular letter written in this fashion, there is no doubt in his mind that the same person wrote both documents. It also appears on the cover of a VHS tape titled, "The Seven Deadly Sins."In 1996 only the original 1952 Jean Luc-Godard movie version was on VHS
(Brad Pitt remake was still in the theaters in 1996, VHS Release date was not until August 26, 1997) www.imdb.com/title/tt0044025/
Note, the word "pride." This is very symbolic of why JonBenét died. Hmmmmmm!www.experthandwritinganalysis.com/2013/07/19/unmasking-the-ramsey-ransom-note/Remember the Criminal Profiler Mr. John Douglas stated that the alleged murderer used words and phrases from movies in the 2 ½ page ransom note.A hand-carved, hand-painted, miniature Karate wood Training Sword (sealed with glistening lacquer), was stolen from the Karate school where he took classes prior to the crime. This sword matches the wood stick in the autopsy report used to complete the garrote. It is also described as a paintbrush handle; however, paintbrush handles are not finished with glistening lacquer. Nothing else, but THIS WOODEN SWORD would cause a V-shaped skull fracture to JonBenét.The 3rd Santa, to this date, CONTINUALLY CHANGES HIS FIRST AND LAST NAME, I.E. William (Bill) Ramsey, then Larry Rohn and he is now currently going by Bill Rohn. He also continually changes his appearance and his residence, but never leaves his township! One must ask why he feels so safe in this particular township!This very strong person of interest has hadFIVE COMPLETE NAME CHANGES SINCE THE MURDERIMMEDIATELY AFTER THE MURDER HE CHANGED THE PAINT COLOR OF HIS FORD RANGER PICKUP FROM BLACK TO REDIn the early days of the investigation he knew the personal nickname John and Patsy Ramsey used for JonBenet (Johnny B). Only family members were privy to this information.Yet YOU STILL HAVENOT INVESTIGATEDTHIS SUSPECT?!
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 18, 2020 20:29:12 GMT -6
Right. The question is, can anybody confirm that Larry Rohn ever actually used the name "Bill Ramsey?" Rohn is a real person for sure. His own actual father was pretty well-off and could have easily given Rohn wads of cash from time to time to stay away.
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 18, 2020 21:28:38 GMT -6
I have been curious about this too. While I don't think that Larry Rohn is the killer (I don't believe there was an intruder at all), it's not unreasonable to think John may have produced an illegitimate child. He was known to have affairs — if memory serves, this is part of why his first wife Lucinda Lou Pasch divorced him — and his military years are a big black hole, largely served in places in the Philippines where US servicemen often patronized "prostitutes" who tended to be underage girls . But I haven't dug into the Rohn / Bill Ramsey thing far enough to know if there's any evidence that Rohn really was an illegitimate child of John. It is just speculation but I actually think that John was up to a fair amount of sexual deviance (putting it lightly) at least since he joined the Navy in 1966. This is right when Nancy Krebs claims to have been first abused by "Uncle Johnny" and John by his own account had spent at least a couple months on the Southern California coast, not far from where Nancy lived at the time, before heading off to the Pacific. Then he was reportedly stationed at Subic Bay continuously for about 3 years, though he says he sometimes went on "R&R" to "Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Thailand". I have to wonder if John also ever went on "R&R" back to California where Fleet White's family was abusing Nancy. Or if he ever crossed paths with future Franklin scandal ringleader Larry King, who was doing signals intelligence work in Thailand around the same time.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 19, 2020 7:36:18 GMT -6
If--IF--John Bennett Ramsey was raised in some kind of pedophile underworld, and specifically the kind of occult pedophile underworld we've been investigating, then he had sex with various people of whatever age beginning before puberty. He could easily have fathered children that way once he hit puberty. If--IF--he were raised in such an underground society, then at least some of those children would have been conceived deliberately. So, it is not out of the question for him to have fathered a child Rohn's age when he was a young teenager. If--IF--if so, then it is reasonable to expect that such a child was born into an upper-middle class or better (economically and politically better off, NOT morally better) family.
Cuz here's the funny thing--Bill Ramsey is a REAL person. He is NOT a fake identity of Larry Rohn. And there is no doubt he knows Larry Rohn AND Larry Rohn's own well to do father. And if you shuffle through pictures of John Bennett Ramsey and Bill Ramsey, you can't tell which one is which. And Bill Ramsey is a part of the same yacht club world as Fleet White and his family.
Neighbors thought they saw John's son John Andrew go in and out of the Ramsey home Christmas night. He has a prrrreeeeeetty good alibi for the time of the murder (after midnight, according to TWO neighbors who heard a little girl scream around 2:00 am.) Maybe they didn't see John Andrew. Maybe they saw his "twin..." Bill Ramsey.
Again, I wonder if there's been any evidence that JonBenet was John and Patsy Ramsey's biological daughter...
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 19, 2020 13:12:39 GMT -6
It's interesting you bring up the possibility of Bill Ramsey being mistaken for John Andrew Ramsey. For quite a while, I've suspected that there was a JAR lookalike involved in the lead-up to JonBenet's murder. There was a rather strange tabloid story in February 1997 about how a Waterford MI drug informant claimed to have been approached by JAR in Charlevoix MI during the summer of 1996, asking to arrange a boating accident that would kill JonBenet: www.acandyrose.com/s-boatman-mi.htm Basically, JAR and JonBenet would be on a boat together, the informant ("Boat Man") would ram their boat with his own, and JAR would jump off the boat just in time leaving JonBenet to be killed. The story was discredited after Boat Man's Michigan criminal history was brought to light (yet the Waterford police were still fine using him as an informant) and JAR was reported to have not been in Charlevoix on the claimed date. The suspicion that's stayed in the back of my mind is that Boat Man's story was real but it wasn't actually JAR; someone representing themselves as JAR approached Boat Man to arrange this "accident". And given the absurdity of JAR jumping off the boat just before it gets rammed by another craft with enough force to kill JonBenet, especially if it isn't even the real JAR who is in on such a plot, I had to wonder if the real goal here was setting up JAR to be murdered. John's eldest daughter from his first marriage, Elizabeth Pasch Ramsey, died in a car crash 4 years earlier, and there are unsubstantated rumors that she was recovering memories of incest just before her death.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 19, 2020 20:34:10 GMT -6
Yeah. Only honest people with no criminal records get approached to do murder for hire.
I don't know if this "M'Linda" knows what I know (well, found out) and is just leaving breadcrumbs for people to follow to find out what i found out (very clever of her, since I myself am being very, very careful not to get sued over this) or if her story is sincere and she just happened to have had a hunch that played out. But she has a copy of an application to that karate school in the name of "W** Ramsey" and he gives Larry Rohn's birthday and real father's contact info.
But whether that application is genuine or not, there is a Bill Ramsey and it just gets weirder from there. And now this...
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Post by james1983 on Oct 20, 2020 3:29:04 GMT -6
FWIW Somerset Maugham was an Aleister Crowley devotee.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 20, 2020 12:51:17 GMT -6
I think Maugham got the character of Larry Darrell from a suggestion by Crowley that he write a book about Ronald Nixon?
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Post by frogger52 on Jan 22, 2021 22:58:51 GMT -6
CBS, before they morphed into a PR operation for the DNC, produced a 4 part investigation into the death of this little girl. They made a VERY strong case that the brother, Burke, most likely killed her in a fit of jealous rage. Burke felt his parents showered love and affection on Jon Benet at his expense. Whenever he was angry with her, Burke would smear his own feces on the wall of his sisters room!! It makes perfect sense that Burke snapped and killed his sister. After all, he previously had smashed her over the head with a golf club and she was lucky she wasn't dead from that attack. Patsy, who is pretty much a dim bulb, instead of seeing her remaining child go to prison, concocted the "ransom note" in a last ditch attempt to protect her son. Makes much more sense than some killer pedophile ring, who would have no reason to kill her, committing this crime. HERE is link to an ABC televised report on a lawsuit Burke filed against CBS for airing the investigation. IMO, he HAD to sue them as the CBS presentation was so damning he couldn't just let it stand. Burke sued for $750M and John sued for $50M. In January of 2019, they settled out of court but terms were not released. Part of the settlement was that John's suit was dismissed completely. My guess is that Burke didn't get much. As in "here's 10K kid, now go away". Who was the Burke family lawyer?....Lin Wood.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 24, 2021 8:11:35 GMT -6
For various reasons I will explain later, I am going to put Zodiac aside and move on to the JonBenet case next on the podcast. The first JBR episode I will, as usual, review what we actually KNOW, and what we actually DON'T know. And then, how it proves a few things:
1. There is ZERO evidence of ANY "intruder." 2. There is ZERO evidence that "Burke Ramsey murdered his sister and his parents covered it up." 3. ALL of the ACTUAL known evidence points directly to three and only three people: John Bennett Ramsey, Patsy Ramsey, and Fleet White, Jr. 4. ALL of the actual known evidence that Boulder authorities have released/leaked over the years in their THREE attempts to "exonerate" the Ramseys and White, Jr actually make them look very, very suspicious. And this is the stuff that supposedly proves they're "not" suspicious.
I'm still working out the tricky legalities over how much I can show, but in this next episode, or possibly later, I will at least explain that:
1. Larry Rohn is a real person. He did not change his name to Larry Rohn in 1997. He's always been Larry Rohn. Did he ever use the name "Bill Ramsey?" Maybe. 2. "Bill Ramsey" is a REAL person. Totally separate from Larry Rohn. 3. Larry Rohn DID (or does. He may be alive) have a "wealthy father" of his own who apparently paid/pays Larry an "allowance," probably to stay away. 4. This Bill Ramsey does have connections to Larry Rohn and Larry's father. 5. Neighbors who thought they saw John Andrew Ramsey go in and out of the Ramsey home Christmas night MIGHT have actually seen Bill Ramsey--but not Larry Rohn.
It's not that Ms Kula is stupid, or nuts (she's one of the most intelligent, rational, and grounded people I've ever talked to.) It's only that she came to the erroneous conclusion that Larry Rohn and Bill Ramsey are the same person. (And that karate school registration form does, indeed, say, "WM Ramsey," so, it's understandable...) But they aren't the same person. Nopey...it's way, way more beeeeeeezarre than that. Way more. Like, what?
Well, for starters, riddle me this, Batmen and Batwomen: What do Larry Rohn, Fleet White Jr, and Ronnie DeFeo, Jr all have in common? The answer may surprise you. Or, it may not. FWIW, it blew my wig off.
Which, of course, fits right into what we've been digging at on this here website and podcast.
And yes, Virginia, there's more. This Larry Rohn and this Bill Ramsey are very, VERY interesting, indeed. I will see how much, and how, I can talk about that.
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Post by anyhoo on Feb 11, 2021 12:25:12 GMT -6
Oooooooohhhh, I suggest that poor Nancy's allegations are worth looking into. And will BE looked into. Relentlessly. But prima fascie, they should NOT be relied upon as any kind of evidence in and of themselves. Remember, the people we're after engage in relentless DISinformation in order to discredit their critics. But truth will out. To suggest Nancy Krebs testimony is disinformation is not good. Tricia Griffith, the administrator of the site websleuths.com suggests the same thing and Tricia Griffith is a Snake who knows the Whites on a personal basis, which she admitted to in a post that she later deleted. I am extremely well aware that the enemy engages in disinformation. My entire Blog, strangerinajewishworld.blogspot.com/, is about exposing all the lies and disinformation of the enemy. But IMHO Nancy Krebs testimony is not disinformation. I have investigated every claim she made herself and every claim she made through her lawyer and I have not found anything as disinformation. For example, her testimony about her sister going to Germany checked out perfectly with the relevant facts as I documented in this post: strangerinajewishworld.blogspot.com/2020/10/identity-of-nancy-krebs-younger-sister.html. The core claim of Nancy Krebs is that the daughter of her sister who was five years old at the time was at the same sex party where JonBenet was murdered by Fleet White Sr. and that the five year old niece witnessed it. I 100% believe this to be true. And then Fleet White Sr. later tried to intimidate and threaten and bribe Nancy Krebs not to go to Boulder, CO. to testify against HIM and his family. I want the truth and IMO what Nancy Krebs said is the closest to the truth we have ever come in terms of this case. I do not expect you to agree with me about this nor do I need your agreement. You are free to think whatever you want but I am always after the truth. My explanation of the JBR murder is the closest I have come to understanding it and much of what I say is based on the testimony of Nancy Krebs who I believe is a second hand witness to the murder. First hand witnesses to the murder were Nancy Krebs mother and niece. strangerinajewishworld.blogspot.com/2020/08/two-worlds-paradigm-example-of-jon.html
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Post by Admin Horan on Feb 12, 2021 15:22:24 GMT -6
See, this is how people run off into the weeds. "I believe Nancy Krebs, so..." That never leads anywhere. "Believing" people, feeling sorry for people, blah, blah, blah, is the opposite of investigation. Getting your feelings hurt is an even more sure-fire way to end up off in the weeds.
Nancy Krebs's stories are, at best, possible leads. They are NOT evidence. They might LEAD to evidence, but in and of themselves, they are NOT. And anonymous posters getting their diapers in a wad about it is not evidence, either. "I 100% believe this to be true." Goody gumdrops for you. But if you ever dig up any actual facts, or documents, or other evidence, feel free to share them here.
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Post by dt2016 on Feb 19, 2021 19:24:08 GMT -6
Professor, just wanted to say that your interpretation of the ransom note is by far the best I've ever heard. Sure beats the hell out of 'Dirty Harry'and Dennis Hopper collaborating on it. And makes sense why so long a note. But Patsy couldn't have known of it before then and had to back John up afterwards. I am surprised she didn't know to call the security company also though unless she wanted the police FBI, etc. in it.
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Post by Admin Horan on Feb 20, 2021 11:21:57 GMT -6
That's my hunch--Patsy called 911 because she DID know (or strongly suspect) what really happened, and was trying to bring in the authorities in a sneaky way. On the 911 call, when she sort of screams, "Oh my GOD!" I think THAT might be the moment she realizes that John is either on his way down the stairs, or has already come into the kitchen and is glaring at her to hang up.
I think people drastically underestimate what a ruthless control freak John Bennett Ramsey is.
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