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Post by marionumber1 on Jul 14, 2020 13:22:20 GMT -6
Interesting that Kali worship comes up here. I don't know how many people have looked into the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, but her family and social circles contain a number of accused or suspected child abusers, and some of them (the family of Fleet White, who was JonBenet's father's best friend) have long been rumored to be in some kind of Kali cult. That is a claim I never confirmed but have been trying to dig up more information on.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 14, 2020 15:03:30 GMT -6
Nothing surprises me anymore. I've found the people who belong to the highest classes are the ones who make up the highest percentage of occultists. I hate even using the word "occultists", because those types are a lot more than just dabblers. I do know the Ramsey's use to live in Atlanta, and Atlantas a hotspot for that kind of thing. The Georgia guide stones are one example. Atlanta is the new Atlantis. The father Ramsey was associated with the highest of that society.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 14, 2020 20:04:21 GMT -6
This murder, and the Mary Morris murders in Houston, are the two I'd like to take a crack at if I ever get the chance.
I'm going to stick my neck out and state that for the most part, the whole kiddie beauty pageant thing is just a nightmare. I don't mean the "cutest baby" or "Miss Pumpkin" type. But the Ramseys were up to their eyeballs in the sick stuff. Have you SEEN the outfits those little girls were COMPETING in? And those are the photos we've seen. One of the major organizers was convicted of making kiddie porn. And there's no way he was the only one. Patsy herself was obviously abused by her own father. She was nuts. The house was a pigsty on the inside. But they wouldn't hire a cleaning company because the neighbors would see THAT. BTW, if you need nightmare fuel, google "Shirley Temple Kiddie Porn"
I think the "ransom" note that Patsy cleary wrote is more than just a desperate attempt to deflect suspicion. She didn't completely make that shit up off the top of her head. It wasn't written AFTER JonBenet was killed. It was written BEFORE.
It's crystal clear Patsy killed JonBenet. Why? She had fed JonBenet her favorite snack (canned pineapple chunks) as a last meal. Literally. This was obviously premeditated. But why?
Here's something interesting, if valuable, or not. It's a piece from THE NEW YORK TIMES October 1995 about a wedding in Boulder. The Ramsey's minister (about whom no one can dig up any real information) officiated:
Dr. Regina Ann Figge, a daughter of Adelaide W. Zabriskie of Kalamazoo, Mich., and Fredric J. Figge of Charlotte, N.C., was married yesterday to Neil Patrick Cannon, a son of Mary Ann Cannon of West Trenton, N.J., and the late Judge John F. Cannon. The Rev. Rolland W. Hoverstock performed the ceremony at St. John's Episcopal Church in Boulder, Colo.
Dr. Cannon, 33, is a research scientist in geochemistry at the Physics Institute of the University of Bern and the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder. She graduated from Dartmouth College and received a master's degree in civil engineering from Stanford University and a Ph.D. in geology from the University of Colorado.
Her father is the chairman of risk policy at Nationsbank in Charlotte. Her stepfather, Dr. John Zabriskie, is the chairman and chief executive of the Upjohn Company in Kalamazoo. Her mother is a chartered financial analyst in Kalamazoo.
Mr. Cannon, 34, is the mechanical engineering group manager at Optics Research, a computer disk-drive research and development company in Boulder. He graduated from Dartmouth, from which he also received a master's degree in mechanical engineering. His mother retired as a personnel administrator for the State of New Jersey in Trenton. His father was a Municipal Court judge in Ewing Township, N.J.
NationsBank is the bank that bought Bank of America. The conglomerate is still called Bank of America. "Bank of America" is hilarious, because it was the American division of The Bank of Italy. The job of "Chairman of Risk Policy" was cutting-edge in 1995. The Chair of the Risk Committee is maybe the second most powerful person in a big corporation, and in some ways, the most powerful. S/he can, in practical terms, veto almost any policy or action of the CEO. The Chair, as head of the Committee, makes the final recommendation to the board of directors of any MONEY MARKET policy of a bank. S/he is THE bank's liaison with both federal and international regulators. No large-scale money laundering could be attempted "under" their nose. Their job would be to minimize the risks to the bank--and the larger economy--of the big, big money laundering that keeps the global wheels turning. Among all the other risks the Committee manages. Upjohn was absorbed by Pfizer, but they invented prednisone, Xanax, and Halcyon. For starters.
This Colorado marriage warranted a notice in the NEW YORK TIMES.
The bride, after getting a PhD in Climate Change (shit you not) quit the whole program, and promptly changed careers. She's--brace yerself--a therapist, now. With a degree from Naropa University. Which is a--hold onto your wigs--"Tibetan Buddhist" University. They invented "mindfulness."
You may find the following 2019 article about "Naropa University" interesting:
By Darryl Collette
As a recent graduate of Naropa University in Boulder, repeat visitor of Shambhala Mountain Center, and longtime student of Shambhala I felt compelled to reach out to the Daily Camera this week. As you may already know, news has been coming out all month about Shambhala assisting multiple pedophiles in avoiding prosecution.
The word back from Naropa has been “we are disconnected from Shambhala for decades.” The word from Shambhala has been “we could have done better.” As someone who has attended both organizations, I now find myself deeply ashamed for every dollar and minute they got of mine.
In my time studying at Naropa University I was repeatedly told that Naropa and its contemplative approach to education come directly from the teachings of Chogyam Trungpa. The Shambhala school of Buddhism was covered extensively in Buddhist Psychology Part 1 and 2, maitri (a meditation invented by Trungpa), as well as Senior Seminar Part 1 and 2. All of these classes were mandatory for my contemplative psychology degree. The majority of these classes were taught by ex-followers of Trungpa. Upon the recommendation of the college I went on retreat at Shambhala Mountain Center yearly and took Shambhala meditation classes at the Boulder Shambhala Center.
I write this because the idea that Naropa and Shambhala are separate is as much a lie as that Naropa is a secular university.
I am deeply ashamed to hear that Shambhala has repeatedly stepped between pedophiles and any meaningful repercussions for their actions, but I cannot say I am surprised.
Trungpa slept with his students. This has always been known. His son Sakyang Mipham was accused of sexual assault last year. I repeatedly heard about Naropa teachers having sexual relationships with students in my time as a Naropa student. I personally witnessed Naropa teachers dating students they had taught. I repeatedly heard about a situation where a Naropa student was in a sexual relationship with with a teacher’s underage son.
This is what I heard as a nontraditional Naropan trying to keep my head down and just get to graduation. I can only imagine what other stories exist. As the Denver post quoted a former Shambhala Mountain Center staff member in its last article about the allegations: “Every young girl I knew had something happen.”
Enough of the lies.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 14, 2020 22:11:12 GMT -6
Thats truly disturbing. The country is ran by occult pedophiles. I think that would be a great series to speak about. I read the book by Stephen Singular years ago, at the time I remember it being the best book on the case. I'll have to find a copy and read it again. Thanks for that remarkable post.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 15, 2020 6:50:09 GMT -6
Like I said, I hardly know where to frigging begin. No one was more surprised than I was that we stumbled over concrete evidence that Maury really was onto something, and in the last six months, look at how much you guys have contributed to that. And now this...
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Post by james1983 on Jul 15, 2020 7:26:45 GMT -6
Professor. I may have asked you this on another thread but I can't remember an answer. Have you seen the photo of the process church praying with governor George Wallace before a speech? If you haven't check out google images. Type governor Wallace process church.
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Post by marionumber1 on Jul 15, 2020 9:18:06 GMT -6
This murder, and the Mary Morris murders in Houston, are the two I'd like to take a crack at if I ever get the chance. Don't want to hijack this thread about another case too much, but I'm really happy that you're interested in covering the JonBenet Ramsey case. That's one I've studied for a while (and could probably talk people's ear off about ). Pedophiles seem to abound everywhere, inside and outside the family. The Ramsey family certainly seems to have issues of intergenerational child abuse, on both sides. Like you say, Patsy was clearly abused by her (Freemason and Union Carbide engineer) father Don Paugh. John's father James Dudley Ramsey happens to have been the head of the Michigan Aeronautics Commission from 1947 to 1979, during which time he likely oversaw the construction of an airstrip on North Fox Island that was flying in children and pedophiles for an abuse network there. And of course John and Patsy were complicit in putting JonBenet into those sick pageants with creeps like the photographer Randy Simons around the corner. Really interesting find about Father Rol Hoverstock officiating that wedding. Boulder seems to have been a notorious haven for pedophiles, spooks, and major corporations throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I have to say, I've always found it weird that on the morning 911 was called, the Ramseys summoned all their friends to the house: the Whites, the Fernies, Hoverstock, and JonBenet's pediatrician. All of them except the Whites also happened to be members of that same church. I've had a feeling that their main circle of friends was all knowledgeable and/or involved in the dark things that were going on with JonBenet, which is why they were all called that morning, and their shared church membership could have been a natural nexus for that. Barbara Fernie's father incidentally also got a notice in the New York Times when he died because he was a former intelligence officer and big-shot banker ( www.nytimes.com/1994/02/04/obituaries/c-s-vanden-broeck-investment-banker-74.html): Hard to find much else about his background, but it can be seen that on p.112 of this Unification Church FBI file, it can be seen that Claude Vanden Broeck attended a monetary policy meeting organized by the World Conference on Economic and Social Order, a Moonie front group. Professor, there are some other things from the case you might find relevant to your existing work. Nancy Krebs, the victim/witness who accused Fleet White's family along with John Ramsey, mentioned a connection between the pedophile ring that abused her and the Manson group. She said her mother Gwen, who pimped her out from a young age, was friends with Catherine Gillies and took her to one of their ranches (presumably Barker Ranch, since Nancy's family was in Inyo County); and she said that her abusers once gave her some items taken from the LaBianca home as a show of their power and influence. Also, there is some reason to suspect that JonBenet's likely abuse tied in some way to the Wonderland Club child pornography ring that I've heard you mention a couple times on the show. DA Alex Hunter kept stalling on convening a grand jury in the case for a very long time, then coincidentally finally decided to do so a week after the FBI finished up its Wonderland busts in September 1998.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 15, 2020 14:07:12 GMT -6
'Tsokay. I made this a new thread on a new board.
Columbia-Presbyterian is the hospital where Donna Lauria and her mother worked. I'd still like to know just what her mother did there. There seems to be a heavy link between the Son of Sam victims and their PARENTS.
Investment banking--weirdo cults--Meyers Ranch. (Catherine Gillie's grandmother Mrs Meyers owned the ranch.) Speaking of topic jumping, not only did Cameron live at Meyers Ranch right before the Manson Family moved in, but one of the boy members of the family was born in Beaumont, CA, a tiny desert town where Cameron founded The Children [of Horus] cult in the early 1950s. It's also the location of a major US military and civilian radar tracking station. Which will matter later, when we talk about the Zodiac Killer "Map Code." If Katherine's mother pimped her out as a child, that might be another link to Cameron, and explain why Catherine talked Charlie into moving out there. Charlie would sometimes "disappear" or take two or three Family members with him to New Mexico. Everyone assumes he went to Taos, but no one remembers that. But Cameron was living in New Mexico at the time. She was living a couple of blocks away from Mary Brunner's pad in the Haight in 1967. Etc etc etc. I'd be very, very interested in any possible link between Manson/Cameron and JonBenet. I'll bet credits to Navy beans that Kundalini "Yoga" shows up like a rash all over this case.
Thanks for joining, Mario! We can keep up a JonBenet discussion here before we get around to it on the podcast.
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Post by marionumber1 on Jul 15, 2020 21:53:11 GMT -6
I'd also be really interested in connecting the Manson crowd (including Cameron) to the Whites' ring that abused Nancy Krebs and likely JonBenet too. The investigator I heard this from claims to have seen a photo of a bunch of children at one of the ranches, one of them being a young blond girl who looked just like Nancy did as a child. If that could be found (by the investigator I spoke to or by any of us), we would at least have some solid basis for there being a connection beyond Nancy's own words. As you've talked about before, many of the Manson girls had weird personal/family backgrounds such as defense contractors or intelligence work, so if Gwen was friends with Catherine, it would not be surprising to learn that the Gillies family also had endemic child abuse. The Buddhism link is quite significant, so I'm glad you brought it up. Boulder in particular was full of weird religious sects and cults like that. The Naropa Institute you mention had, in its early years, such illustrious figures as Allen Ginsberg, a big proponent of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). And I have heard of many statutory rape victims coming forward against them over the years. One other thing I wanted to share in that vein... Back in April, I received a dossier on a Houston-area pedophile named Paul Schultz who was linked to the case. I don't want to share the whole thing publicly because there are some sensitive details about child abuse but I do have the first ( imgur.com/a/TprgL15) and last ( imgur.com/a/FIGPbMM) sets of pages online. They focus on a pedophile/satanic/Nazi group known as the White Eagle Underground, which is said to be involved in drug trafficking, child abuse, and terror operations across the country. (Sounds quite familiar, doesn't it?) The WEU reportedly has bases of operation in the southern and western US, mainly in Texas and Colorado; one of the ones named in Colorado is the Shambhala Ashrama of Sedalia.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 17, 2020 7:13:34 GMT -6
Jebus. Jebus. Jebus.
Here's the thing about Nancy and the other victims--supposed we tie in these bastards in ANOTHER WAY. Like the way things have been shaking out on the podcast. We won't need a picture of those kids. Will we?
I know that Naronga "University" has backpedaled away from Shambhala like crazy, but they're not fooling anybody.
Thanks a million, and keep up the good work!
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Post by anyhoo on Sept 29, 2020 13:18:11 GMT -6
Thats truly disturbing. The country is ran by occult pedophiles. I think that would be a great series to speak about. I read the book by Stephen Singular years ago, at the time I remember it being the best book on the case. I'll have to find a copy and read it again. Thanks for that remarkable post. I also bought and read the book by Steven Singular. At that time I thought he was generally on the right track with what he was saying but his book did not satisfy my desire to learn what really happened in the case of JBR. Now years later I have gone far beyond what Steven Singular or really anyone else has gone down this rabbit hole. Here is my explanation after connecting a whole lot of dots from all over the place: strangerinajewishworld.blogspot.com/2020/08/two-worlds-paradigm-example-of-jon.html
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Post by Admin Horan on Sept 29, 2020 15:46:30 GMT -6
Thanks! We'll check it out.
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Post by anyhoo on Oct 1, 2020 7:58:47 GMT -6
I saw that two people here offered the opinion that Don Paugh, Patsy's father, sexually abused her when she was a child. Can I ask what evidence exists to support this? I too speculate that this is the case but I do not have any evidence to support it. Can someone here state a best case explanation of why and how and when and under what circumstances Don Paugh abused Patsy?
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 1, 2020 13:41:02 GMT -6
I saw that two people here offered the opinion that Don Paugh, Patsy's father, sexually abused her when she was a child. Can I ask what evidence exists to support this? I too speculate that this is the case but I do not have any evidence to support it. Can someone here state a best case explanation of why and how and when and under what circumstances Don Paugh abused Patsy? Her June 23, 1998 interview has a weird segment when she is asked about this: Upon being asked to reflect on abuse earlier in her life, both physical and sexual, she suddenly gave "NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE" twice in a row. This is one of the few times in the interview where she ever gives no audible response. According to a Websleuths poster named Jayelles who watched the interview tape when it was available online, Patsy's demeanor also shifted noticeably during this part of the interrogation, with her voice becoming very childlike. That is a likely indicator of fear and shame at this topic being brought up, or possibly even her switching into an alter personality connected with abuse she suffered.
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Post by anyhoo on Oct 1, 2020 20:23:51 GMT -6
Thanks very much for that. I will process it and I am sure I will have some follow up questions about it. Since you are here, I wanted to say that I am very interested in what you said about the Church in Boulder Colorado that a lot of the key players in this mystery belonged to, St John's Episcopal Church. I have been in communication with someone else who believes that this church was being used as a Front for Satanists to meet and communicate and I myself believe this after studying the behavior of Satanists in other places and cases. Satanists use Religion as a mask to hide who they really are and use it as a means to meet and communicate so that outsiders will not suspect what they are really doing. The person I communicated with said that the Vestry of this church (which is an elected body) during the years 1995-1999 has been sealed and nobody is able to see it. As you mentioned, many of the key players such as the Ramseys, the Stines, the Fernis, Rolland Hoverstock, etc. were all members of this church. That is not to say that every member of this church was a Satanist but key members IMO were and the used it to meet and communicate in secret. I would like to get your opinion about that.
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