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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 9, 2020 10:36:52 GMT -6
Keep in mind, in a "covert" operation, various "team" members may not know each other at all, let alone be friends. Individual parties carry out specific parts of the plan, usually for their OWN reasons, and don't worry about or even know about other parts of the plan. Different people within a police department don't know who all the undercover cops are. They aren't SUPPOSED to. And so on.
"I know a guy who can get a bunch of hippies to burn down a police station. You know a guy in the mob who carries out hits for hire. Steve knows a broad who runs a cathouse with hidden cameras with photos we can use to keep the chief quiet." Etc. The hippie guru doesn't have to know anything about the blackmail photos to burn down a police station. He wants to do that, anyway.
Suppose my hunch is correct. Suppose Nixon wanted to start a national panic, and take credit for solving the "problem." J Edgar Hoover is past mandatory retirement age, and only an executive order can keep him in his job. So, Nixon knows, if he offers Hoover a chance to crack down on the hippie peace movement, he'll say, "How high?" The whole plan is Richard Helms's idea, conveniently enough, and although Nixon knows Helms has his own reasons, he also knows he needs to put CIA back on top, instead of Kennedy's Special Operations Group (Green Berets,) and that means, letting Helms get rid of some Green Berets who are now back in the States, not to mention ones overseas who suddenly don't have a president to support them, who are up to all kinds of dangerous (to Republicans and their donors, especially) activities. And Hoover and Helms and Nixon don't need to know all the sticky details. They leave it up to underlings. Guys who, by job definition, know guys who know guys who know guys.
One player in our little game is run by an [illegal] CIA domestic intelligence operation. One player in FBI's COINTELPRO can pull a certain hippie guru's strings through an FBI plant in said guru's hippie "family," taking advantage of various mind control techniques that were once programmed into said guru when he was in a particular prison where CIA MK-ULTRA experiments were done. One player in FBI runs mob informants who rub elbows with cocaine traffickers and hit men. Another player in CIA plays golf with high-powered Satanists in the Pentagon or whatever. And so on and on and on. Nixon did NOT hire Liddy and Hunt to break into the DNC offices at the Watergate. It wasn't even his idea. But, guess whose names came up when John Dean asked around, "Uh, know anybody we can trust to do a black bag job? Uh, yeah, it's for the President. It's not for me or my prostitute/blackmailer wife." But, when Liddy and Hunt are arrested doing a job that has nothing to do with Nixon, they just happen to know a LOT of things that would "embarrass" President Nixon, anyway. The Underworld is a small world, after all. You think Watergate and Ellsberg and Martha Mitchell and...were the ONLY "black bag" jobs solicited by the Nixon white House? Or any other White House?
We KNOW the CIA ran covert ops ON AMERICAN SOIL. No official DETAILS of those ops were officially released. But, I think we're forming a pretty good picture of what some of them were. We KNOW "retired" CIA and other government spooks ran some of the BIGGEST narcotics smuggling ops in history. We KNOW about some of the ones from the 1980s, when Democrats were investigating Republicans and their pet CIA. Just because Democratic controlled Congresses never asked about the ones going during the previous Democratic administrations of Kennedy and Johnson, who set up the "Green Berets" Special Operations Group because they couldn't trust the Republican run CIA, doesn't mean they never happened.
So, a guy who knows a guy who knows the Mentzer brothers hires them to do some hits, in addition to other hits they do. And, the Underworld being a small world after all, the same guys all know the same guys who know the same guys.
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Post by ace on Dec 14, 2020 10:38:53 GMT -6
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Post by ace on Dec 20, 2020 13:42:58 GMT -6
I cannot locate my copy of Jon's book I bought off of Amazon but this sure struck a chord.
Two doctors in particular have their specialties listed:
Dr. Morton Glatt - Optometrist
Dr Harry Harnash - Oculist
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Post by jack on Dec 20, 2020 17:55:02 GMT -6
Apologies if this has been covered before. In 2005 Brad King's dental partner Mark Persson was found shot to death in what police determined was a suicide. He had been a partner with Brad King a former classmate of Arlis Perry. bismarcktribune.com/news/local/mandan-man-found-dead-at-rifle-range/article_cb9f07ba-c518-5e28-9bf5-f8ff9881c019.htmlRumors were circulating in Bismarck about well-known men and women who were members of a Satanic club that sacrificed animals and drank blood. Brad King, a Bismarck dentist and former classmate of Arlis Perry’s, recalled: “There were a lot of religious groups coming through town at the time. I remember seeing people dressed in priest’s outfits. But instead of white collars, they wore red collars and sported upside-down crosses draped around their necks. I think they were called the Holy Order of MANS.” Nevertheless, he wasn’t convinced Terry’s theories concerning Arlis’s death were correct. King recalled being interviewed in his office by California detectives just before he attended his 10-year class reunion. “The police heard a rumor that someone in our class had set up an altar for her, but it was just a couple of photos of her along with other classmates who passed away,” he said. Around the time of his 30th class reunion, King called law enforcement officers in Santa Clara County to ask if there had been any breaks in the case, but was told there was no new information. Of Terry’s book, King said: “It didn’t surprise me that someone came out with some kind of conspiracy around her murder. I don’t know if I agree with the author that she was stalked from Bismarck to California. I remember a lot of weird religious stories going on around here in that time, like convents dancing under the full moon and rituals taking place down by the river bottoms. But in her case, I think she was at the wrong place at the wrong time.” Mark Persson's obituary www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/mark-persson-obituary?pid=16150288&page=7
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 21, 2020 9:49:05 GMT -6
In Maury's defense, he had to be careful what he published about living persons. So did his publisher, and so did the talk shows he appeared on. Also, it's not possible to "correct" a book that has already been printed and sold, so the publisher will be super-duper careful to err on the side of caution, not truth. Whereas, I can correct any error of fact on this website instantly. A newspaper can issue a retraction on a previously-published story, but a book publisher would not only go broke mailing a correction to every customer who bought a book, but they wouldn't even know who the customers were. And a website like this can be corrected. It's not "libel" if you correct a mistake. It's only libel if you DON'T. And I'm super-duper careful not to do it in the first place, but again, Maury and his publisher were in a different kettle of soup.
On the other hand, I'm not totally convinced that Maury's efforts were entirely honorable all the time, either. His book was a major factor in ginning up the "Satanic Panic" that was then conveniently debunked. He had very little previous experience or training in the proper procedures for investigative reporting, and it shows. I'm not saying he's as bad as Robert Graysmith, but it handicaps his work.
Which is why we're starting over from scratch and completely re-investigating his claims.
And then, on the third hand, there's what Berko has said over the years.
Now, so far as Arlis being a random victim in the wrong place at the wrong time, I don't buy that, either. In my 30 plus years of experience, there is no such thing as a "random" victim. I'm not talking about bystanders and other ACCIDENTAL victims. But in a carefully planned, probably rehearsed murder like this one, NOTHING, including the victim, is left to "chance." Nothing. The Manson Family murders are one famous example. Leonard Lake and Charles Ng are another. Rodney Alcala. Jeffrey Dahmer. Zodiac. On further investigation, there was NOTHING "random" about any of those victims.
Arlis's own husband is a pretty suspicious character. Why wouldn't the rest of her classmates fall under possible suspicion? This man King must have had other friends at that school. Is he protecting one or more of them with this "hunch" of his?
I preach this every day: If you are going to really CRACK a case, you CANNOT feel SORRY for ANYONE, you CANNOT trust ANYONE, and you CANNOT "believe" ANYONE. Not victims. Not witnesses. Not family. Not friends. Not cops. Not NO ONE.
And I'm telling you, the only thing worse than an OCD conspiracy theorist is someone who shrugs, "Well, she was probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time." And in the murder of Arlis Perry, there is just way too much evidence that she was in exactly the right place at exactly the right time. Which suggests very, very strongly that she was exactly the right victim.
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Post by jack on Dec 22, 2020 15:03:26 GMT -6
Nice catch there, Jack! From Arlis Perry to John Carr to Donny Boone to Jerry Berg to Mark Persson to...........you get the picture. All North Dakota. All "solved" and accidents or suicide or lone killer, etc. Maury was trying too hard when he tried to expand the dots in the Son of Sam case to other parts of the USA. But, with North Dakota and its connection, he was right on target! King got it wrong when he said Maury said Arlis was stalked from Bismarck to California. That was from Berkowitz direct. The 2008 obituary of Arlis Perry's mother in law. She was a model (Greystone Studios) while her husband was also a dentist and was trained at Northwestern . Must have some bucks. Donna is said to have been a bridge player as is Serena Dossenko. www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/donna-perry-obituary?pid=178470527
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Post by gv889 on Apr 12, 2021 17:53:04 GMT -6
Jon, Jim Rothstein states that Aquarius Hador and Barry Dossenko did some of the Son Of Sam Shootings! Would you care to guess which ones?
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Post by Jon on Apr 12, 2021 22:38:46 GMT -6
Jon, Jim Rothstein states that Aquarius Hador and Barry Dossenko did some of the Son Of Sam Shootings! Would you care to guess which ones? Not until I have some idea of who Rothstein thinks "Aquarius Hador" is! As far as I know, he's never gotten more specific than saying "Hador" was a CIA operative; that's an intriguing start, but I'd very much like to hear details.
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Post by Omega on Apr 13, 2021 4:53:07 GMT -6
It's not that Rothstein is just saying that "Milenko" and "Hador" were only involved with the Son of Sam in some capacity, he claims they did ALL the killings (outside of Berkowitz doing two) in the interview he supposedly gave.
In Carl Denaro's book, Carl writes that "Larry Milenko" was "allegedly brought in from the Midwest to be the triggerman at the 8th and final SOS attack of Violante/Moskowitz"
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Post by gv889 on Apr 16, 2021 10:35:03 GMT -6
Well, the weird thing is, Maury mentioned "Larry Milenko" at all--and here it turns out that Barry Dossenko might be more important than John Carr. And that Dossenko/his buddies might end up being the prime suspects in John Carr's "murder," if it was murder, which I doubt to a considerable extent. That's right, woodchuck chuckers, I'm 51-49 percent "suicide" in the John Carr death. It's clear Maury (and his publishers) did not/could not publish everything he had, for various understandable reasons, and who know, maybe not so understandable reasons. So, maybe Maury "needed" an Arthur Leigh Allen he could hang a few true things on, and that ended up being Bill Mentzer. The Mentzer Brothers seem to be a very solid link to the world of porno, but where's the Minot link to kooky (and worse) Californication New Age crap? Barry Dossenko. Did Mentzer do Freund or any others? Mebbe. But Dossenko KNEW John Carr. Very well. If John Carr, via whoever, needed to rub out a Wall Street twist, who would get THAT call? Mentzer? Or Dossenko? Here's another thing--if I'm right about the motive for the Freund murder, then it's pooooooooooosssssssssible that she or her squeeze MIGHT recognize Mentzer. Or anyone else who worked for Pascal. Oh, and I swear, this is the last time I move this thread around. When Mentzer was arrested for the Roy Radin Murder his cousin was also also pinched! Apparently his cousin was an LA County Sheriffs Deputy and an LAPD Internal Affairs investigation discovered that he was running vehicle license plate numbers of some of the people who were Mentzer's victims. The transvestite prostitute June Mincher was one. I believe Christine Freund's sister told Maury Terry that a suspicious vehicle with two males in it was seen driving by her sisters house a few days before she was shot!. Apparently Mentzer cousin was oblivious to the fact that he left an electronic paper trail ( You Need A Password To Access LE Computers ) when he used that PD DMV computer to run those license plates for his cousin. Yonkers cop Peter Shane who was Berkowitz wheel man for the Esau, Suriani shooting probably ran license plate numbers for the Yonkers cult as well! Just remember that the NYPD caught two of it's Detectives who were doing hits for the Gambino crime family by investigating the license plate DMV searches they were doing prior to killing the vehicles owners.
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Post by Admin Horan on May 13, 2021 11:22:01 GMT -6
"When Mentzer was arrested for the Roy Radin Murder his cousin was also also pinched! Apparently his cousin was an LA County Sheriffs Deputy and an LAPD Internal Affairs investigation discovered that he was running vehicle license plate numbers of some of the people who were Mentzer's victims. The transvestite prostitute June Mincher was one. I believe Christine Freund's sister told Maury Terry that a suspicious vehicle with two males in it was seen driving by her sisters house a few days before she was shot!. Apparently Mentzer cousin was oblivious to the fact that he left an electronic paper trail ( You Need A Password To Access LE Computers ) when he used that PD DMV computer to run those license plates for his cousin. Yonkers cop Peter Shane who was Berkowitz wheel man for the Esau, Suriani shooting probably ran license plate numbers for the Yonkers cult as well! Just remember that the NYPD caught two of it's Detectives who were doing hits for the Gambino crime family by investigating the license plate DMV searches they were doing prior to killing the vehicles owners. "
Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyup. Except, June Ann Mack Mincher was not only a real woman and self-proclaimed voudou priestess, she starred in Russ Meyer's last masterpiece. And I'm not convinced Berkowitz shot Esau/Suriani. There's no need for a third man when the two undercover cops, who were saving the victims a parking space while they (officially) staked out Jody Valente's house, could just as easily have shot them with what was a very common cop gun. And then made sure the "letter" was left at the scene for "other" cops to "find."
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Post by curiows on Aug 21, 2021 1:46:07 GMT -6
I believe there's a good possibility that John Carr was acting as "mule" transporting meth to Yonkers and money to Dossenko in ND. This would explain the many trips back and forth from Minot to Yonkers John Carr made after being discharged. Meth could also explain his erratic, paranoid behavior.
I also think Dossenko may very well have been the mysterious "Manson II". Berkowitz talked about the Moskowitz shooter as being - from North Dakota and maybe California before that - Barry Dossenko fits the bill having spent time at the Esalen Institiute in Big Sur, CA.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 21, 2021 9:12:47 GMT -6
Did we EVER get a physical description of "Manson II?"
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Post by barney on Feb 22, 2022 8:32:21 GMT -6
I joined just to add some connections to Barry and Serena Dossenko. A deceased adjunct professor from Washington University in St. Louis was a defender of WICCA, Scientology and other occult organizations. He was married to Serena Dossenkos sister. Alice Bloch. QUOTED EMAIL Here is something I found as a result of listening to James Rothstein on the Oppermann Report. Rothstein said the SOS cult recruited a man from Detroit Lakes MN as one of the Son of Sam shooters. This had to be Barry Dossenko. While researching Barry via the internet I found the obituary for his brother in law Frank K. Flinn an adjunct professor of odd ball religions at Washington University in St. Louis Missouri. It's a stranger than strange read. source.wustl.edu/2015/07/obituary-frank-k-flinn-religious-freedom-advocate-religious-movements-scholar-76/His wife Alice Bloch must be the sister of Serena Dossenko, Barry's wife. Now if you open the link below you get a snapshot of Frank's career. If you scroll down to CAREER you find he was a consultant for the International Religious Foundation , New York 1981-1989. I highlighted the name of the organization and searched the web. What I got was the cult The Family International which included the late River Phoenix, Rose McGowan etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_InternationalNow Frank's widow Alice Bloch (the sister of Serena "Bloch" Dossenko lived in Minneapolis prior to her marriage to Frank Finn. Alice is into modern dance. There is footage of her dancing at the opening of the Opus Building in Minneapolis in 1987. Alice Bloch (keep in mind her sister and brother in law are stone cold killers) is celebrating her 50 years in dance 40southnews.com/events/alice-bloch-dance-life-celebrating-50-years-of-dancing/Now if you go back to 1987 she is dancing on floor 23 of the Minneapolis Opus building. www.globalsiteperformance.org/1987/05/01/opus-on-a-may-morning/Alice Bloch, the sister of Serena Heart Dossenko was trained in modern dance using the methods of the mother of modern dance Isadora Duncan. Isadore Duncan from her Wikipedia page In 1910, Isadora Duncan met the occultist Aleister Crowley at a party, an episode recounted by Crowley in his Confessions.[19] He refers to Duncan as "Lavinia King", and used the same invented name for her in his 1929 novel Moonchild (written in 1917). Crowley wrote of Duncan that she "has this gift of gesture in a very high degree. Let the reader study her dancing, if possible in private than in public, and learn the superb 'unconsciousness' — which is magical consciousness — with which she suits the action to the melody."[20] Crowley was, in fact, more attracted to Duncan's bohemian companion Mary Dempsey (a.k.a. Mary D'Este or Desti), with whom he had an affair. Desti had come to Paris in 1901 where she soon met Duncan, and the two became inseparable. Desti, who also appeared in Moonchild (as "Lisa la Giuffria") and became a member of Crowley's occult order, later wrote a memoir of her experiences with Duncan.[
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Post by barney on Apr 14, 2022 4:31:39 GMT -6
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