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Post by jmo on May 8, 2020 21:13:15 GMT -6
Helicopter. Hella lotta heli news on the infamous McNarie facebook page. Seems, once again, he has solved the crime with another clewwwww. So, without further ado (and the fact I don't exactly have a file labeled "Helicopter" and for some reason or another feel like I must)... Who was in the helicopter flying over Keddie taking pictures? DATE? Who called them? TIME? Were they Radio Station or PD? Out of where? WHO took the pictures? What were they looking for? Depending on the timeline of the HELICOPTER PICTURES and WHO was in the helicopter WITH A CAMERA (narrows it down), I will make my own deductions tyvm, David. Where was the helicopter out of? Keddie airport...nooooo...hmmmmm....who would have a helicopter...News Guys? They're pretty damn quick. PD out of a city? Slower. idk Can't believe I don't know more about those helicopter pictures. Kinda feel like I should. lol Even if it's to prove D's theory of (oh, I'm gonna say it...) Poor Old Dee Lake being involved because of a helicopter picture. Can't say I blame Dmac for jumping in the middle of Dee's sh*t. Gotta pick somebody alive and I think he might be down to Dee and Justin. (Watch out Wade--pretty sure all of us here have your back--but just a head's up.) Not sure. Imma need a refresh. When were the helicopter pictures taken and what (am I missing?) do they prove? What cleeeewwww am I missing. HELLLPPPP!!! Why were they up there? (Tina? That's a whole different timeline than what Dmac is trying to portray with his helicopter/cars/Dee theory). Just a couple hacks working for a radio station that got lucky with a few pictures? Or, PD? Kinda want to know who and when. What DAY? (And, yes, I probably could sift through D's posts and learn what he believes is true but... Isimplydontwanna. lol I'm a firm believer that the announcement about the murders went out over the airwaves around 10-10:30 am. Don't know which airwaves but people heard it.... Once again, can't believe I don't know this. Well, Kudos on D for getting me interested in helicopter pics. Thought with all this going on (hard to fathom) in the world this was a dead horse. Guess not. So, to ya'll that have a whole bunch of hardships going on---just know I think of ya'll often and fingers crossed, we'll all come out on the other side. Hold deg trygg <3
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Post by karis on May 14, 2020 7:03:58 GMT -6
Oh JMO I love love love this post!! As always you add humor with common sense. That is just something dmac lacks. Kmik is working on that helicopter timeline but we are with you, it doesn't mean a thing. I wish you would write a post titled D is for "dumbass". I could, but mine would not be as entertaining as yours!!
I think of the is murder often, and wonder why there is not closure for these 2 families. But speculation without facts will never be heard in a court of law.
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Post by kmik on May 14, 2020 7:08:23 GMT -6
According to a Sacramento Bee Newspaper article dated Thursday, April 16, 1981:
It has been said that the aerial photos were stamped April 14, 1981. I don't believe these particular aerial photos were taken on Sunday, April 12, 1981 because according to Zonita Seabolt, Blaine Grubert, and JK (all of these people were in Keddie that day - no mention of Dmac being there) the place was swarming with cop cars and people trying to find out what had happened. The aerial photos do not depict what has been told and what common sense tells us people do when something bad happens - people and cops descend on the scene and hang around for quite some time - even at the scene of a car accident.
Wade or Dee's car being there on Sunday would be no surprise (we've already been told Dee's car was there and one of the Meeks went to pick up Marilyn and kids) Monday was the day Marty said he went to Reno and the day Wade Meeks was interviewed, in Keddie, by the San Francisco Examiner (Karis posted that article on this forum about 2 years ago). Regardless of whose car was there the photos do not appear to have been taken on Sunday because the place would have been bustling with police and spectators - and it's not
Probably be safer for him to just change the day, of Marty hauling off Tina's body, to Monday
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Post by kay on May 18, 2020 13:07:52 GMT -6
I’m SO HAPPY this discussion is coming up lol.
According to dmac, his reason behind Dee Lake being involved is because in an interview for the documentary, dee lake had said he loaned his car to Marty and also claimed to be in Keddie the night of the murders.
Also apparently there is a picture of a car leaving Keddie with someone’s head leaning out of the window and claims it’s Wade Meeks. I have a very hard time believing ANYONE can figure out who is in that car because the picture is very grainy and you can barely see anything. But okay lol
BUT, to be the devils advocate which I try not to be but hear me out, Sherrif Hagwood had said there were 6 people of interest they were looking at that either participated after the fact or had first hand knowledge. All of which are alive.
But that’s no reason to start saying Dee Lake is a murder because he loaned his car to somebody.
If anyone knows why else he thinks Dee was involved in this PLEASE enlighten me lol
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Post by kmik on May 18, 2020 20:52:29 GMT -6
Kay the only reason I can think of that Dmac would even think Dee was involved is because he was friends with Marty. It's best to remember that Marilyn (who in 1981 was looking for a reason to leave Marty) is the one who started pointing the finger at him with nothing that backed it up. It's kinda funny that he believes Marilyn to be one of the biggest liars in this case yet he has bought the story she started in 1981 hook, line, and sinker. None of us know what happened in Cabin 28 that night, with the possible exception of Justin and Ricky, but good old common sense tells me that 3 to 6 other people didn't conspire to cover for Marty Smartt nor aid him in these murders. Marty Smartt had no motive to go into 28 and kill one person let alone 4 -
Dee Lake? He's just one of the few left that Dmac can try to harass into spilling the beans since it didn't work on Marilyn, Justin, Tony, Wade, Doug, Stoy, etc... about the only person I've not heard him accuse of being involved in the cover up is Dennis Forcino (maybe he has but not while I was on his forum) Steve Wright?? Steve Wright?? Oh my I can't even think of anything to say except, "WOW".
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Post by kay on May 18, 2020 21:07:39 GMT -6
Yeah I agree. Dmac seems to be picky and choosy about what rumors he believes. I think the only thing he has to back up his theory on Dee other than Marilyn saying so is Dee saying he loaned Marty his car to help jump start his wife’s car which wasn’t even running, it was on bricks when this all went down. And also, loaning someone their car for a week to fix the battery? Not plausible. But doesn’t mean he’s a murderer.
Another example of dmac believing certain gossip is when it comes to the ride home. He didn’t believe the rumors about Tina being pregnant by Marty, which came from Kathy and someone who lived in her neighborhood who worked at a hospital (possibly mixing that up). The woman who was kathys friend is also the one who gave the boys a ride home and is the one who said she saw sue and Marty at a bar together because they were having an affair. So you don’t believe the rumors about Tina being pregnant but you believe them when they say sue and Marty were banging on the side? Because it’s convenient to his theory.
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Post by kmik on May 19, 2020 5:50:51 GMT -6
Absolutely. And we all call it "Dmac's theory" because he believes it but Marilyn (in 1981) and the Meeks (who in 1981 wanted an excuse for the reason 19 year old Wade was seeing Marilyn), along with Josh during the filming of the first documentary, are the ones who birthed it - Dmac just expanded it into the far fetched theory it is now.
If I were him I would never have told that the person who took the boys home was a friend of Kathy's. Just think about it: Kathy told the "Tina" gossip and the "Marty eating puppies" story (all while omitting that she knew who took them home) and her lying friend claimed Marty was seeing Sue. Boy sure seems they were trying to get police to look as far away from them as possible and what better direction to send them in than Marty Smartt - the guy who they went to school with and whose wife was already out spreading lies about.
If I shake my head in disbelief at his theory just imagine what Ricky and Justin do. I think Dmac sometimes forgets that somebody actually knows more than he does.
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Post by kay on May 19, 2020 7:47:26 GMT -6
Wait the.... eating puppies theory?
Yeah according to Kathy she lied for so long about who gave the ride because she was trying to hide that she had an affair with Dana. Do we even know for sure if that’s true, given she and her friends, and really most of that damn town, gossips so damn much?
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Post by kmik on May 19, 2020 14:01:16 GMT -6
Great point Kay! I think (I'll find it later) it was in one of the FBI reports that Dana was seeing an older woman in Quincy but how do we know that was Kathy? Maybe the woman he was seeing was the "friend" of Kathy and Kathy's apartment was where they would meet? Obviously the only reason the police talked to Kathy Beckly the week after the murders was because the boys had told Pat Dorris she was going to give them a ride home - and Pat told the police. I don't think anyone ever actually said that Kathy was the woman he was seeing just the one who was supposed to give them a ride home. Kinda weird that Kathy and this friend kept such a vital piece of info to themselves all the while dragging up gossip about Marty. What were they really doing at her house that night? It appears they knew advance that Kathy would be giving them a ride back home so had they already seen/talked to her that day? What would have been the harm in Kathy telling who did since Pat obviously had no problem with Kathy giving them a ride anyway??
Maybe some of the kids at the foster home knew who the older woman was that Dana was seeing?
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Post by kay on May 19, 2020 14:18:22 GMT -6
I have ALWAYS wondered this. What the hell were they doing at kathys that day, if not just for a ride that never even happened? Was she the one Dana was seeing, or were there more than one, or jus someone who wasn’t Kathy? Why would Kathy and her friend feel the need to lie about her affair with Dana but not hold back in gossiping about a 12 year old girl being pregnant with a grown man? Especially when it’s possible it’s not true? Why are people only believing some of their gossip and not the others, is it because the pcso have record of these things being said elsewhere?
Too many questions
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Post by kmik on May 19, 2020 16:57:28 GMT -6
I have never read a report or seen anyone come forward to say that Marty was a ladies man or child molester. The gossip that Tina was pregnant and Marty was the father would seem to be gossip stemming from Tina missing from the cabin the next morning and after Marty's name started circulating courtesy of Marilyn and the Meeks - two separated theories pulled together into one big story.
I don't know and wasn't there but I've long felt the comment Mrs. Meeks said Marty made about Tina came AFTER the murders as they all sat around speculating as to why she was missing and if she was possibly pregnant.
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Post by kmik on May 20, 2020 16:29:13 GMT -6
Not sure who created the PON list or when it was created but it does say Kathy was an old girlfriend of Dana's. There are several names on the list with no report of how they got there so I assume it was created by LE. If true then the police at some point - years before 2017- knew that Kathy was supposedly an old girlfriend of Dana's. May 1981 report said he was rumored to be seeing a 27 year old Quincy woman. So if was Kathy who was the "old girlfriend" then they knew it in 1981 so why did she withhold who gave the boys a ride until 2017?
The Pon list has deceased next to Donna Williams moms name so the list was created after 1985 and there are names on the list that are not listed as deceased such as Hildor Hawkenson who died in 1992 so it appears to me the list was probably created between 1985 and 1992?
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Post by snoho17 on Jan 5, 2022 20:52:09 GMT -6
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Post by snoho17 on Sept 26, 2022 1:53:12 GMT -6
Hair. There's a strange amount of hair in this case, and nothing that came of it. Cut hair found next to Sue, hair in John's hands. Scissors in the window sill. What happened to the blond hair from Johns hands? Last we see is the hair being turned over to Dennis F and then there gone?
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