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Post by james1983 on Jul 10, 2020 19:02:55 GMT -6
It's almost as if Stephen Kings town of Derry is an allegory for Yonkers/Westchester lol
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Post by Jon on Jul 10, 2020 22:51:10 GMT -6
Yes, or Bay City in Raymond Chandler's books: always sinister, always a source of trouble. I've wondered in passing if some obscure geographical or atmospheric phenomenon is ultimately to blame, as far-out as that sounds.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 11, 2020 2:35:44 GMT -6
its my opinion it's a place where evil people congregate since its basically a suburb to the most important city in the country. Rich and important people that work in industry, banking, and government all live around that area. There's an over abundance of psychopath/sociopath types who would do anything to fulfill the lusts of their flesh. Again, only an opinion lol.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 11, 2020 8:13:47 GMT -6
Stephen King's "Salem's Lot" has a character who was a mobster in NYC in the 1920s who settled in a small town in Maine in the 1930s and abducted and sacrificed a couple of young boys, leading up eventually to the Big Vampire settling there. I have never interviewed Mr King, but as I understand it, a member(s) of "Murder Inc" WAS supposedly a Satanist who settled in New England and over the next few years, some kids DID disappear. I'm not saying Salem's Lot is nonfiction; what I'm saying is, I guess there were rumours that some members of Murder, Inc were Satanists or some kind of occultists. Kid Twist, Lepke Buchalter, and maybe Albert Anastasia. Kid Twist's own friends were absolutely terrified of him. He apparently killed people for fun, or at the slightest provocation. He reminds me a LOT of Berkowitz--a sociopathic motormouth who cooooooolly turned state's and was then bumped--literally, out the window of a skyscraper. While in police custody. Which brings me to Alvin Karpis. Karpis was no brainless thug. He was the brains of the outfit. He had a remarkable education for a man of his means--and he was a musician. He had the same kind of "star power" that Manson and Bundy and Berko had. He wrote a best-selling autobiography and made a good career of being a star attraction after he was released on parole. Parole--------for CREEPY KARPIS?  ? A cold-blooded cop-killer? WTF? The guy they [practically] built Alcatraz FOR?  How did he swing a PAROLE? He was the only "Public Enemy #1" ever captured alive. How did HE make parole? Well, coincidentally enough, whilst good ol' Charlie Manson was being "rehabilitated" at McNeil Island federal pen, his guitar teacher was--good ol' Creepy Karpis. Sup-POSED-ly, when Charlie asked Creepy for references to get on stage in the Vegas mob-owned clubs, Karpis said, "Nah." Supposedly. But Charlie had contacts in the underworld there, anyway. Somehow. You know who else had contacts there? Jay Sebring. Jay Sebring's original claim to fame was styling Sinatra's hair (and matching hairpieces.) How? How, exactly, did Sebring get that gig? Anyhoo, back to Karpis. Was he a Satanist? I ask, because, after puttering around robbing hardware stores and the occasional bank with the Barker gang, Karpis graduated to kidnapping Friends of FDR in Minneapolis-St Paul. FDR was so pissed off he brought it up in one of his fireside chats. And the Twin Cities keep turning up--obliquely--as a cluster of homicidal Satanists. Here's another funny thing--Creepy started his criminal career--at the tender age of 11--in the porno/prostitution rackets for the Kansas City Mob. People have forgotten all about the Kansas City Mob, but they had more to do with building Vegas than Chicago or New York. Well, once good ol' Charlie got out, he went right back to work in the LA porno/prostitution rackets--but this time, also branched out in Reno, Tahoe, and Vegas. Funny, that. And LAPD and Bugliosi buried all that as deep as they could. Funny, THAT. I think it's entirely possible that Creepy Karpis may have been one of the rumored "mob Satanists." Are there any others? Especially in New York?
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Post by Jon on Jul 11, 2020 13:14:05 GMT -6
There was the Mob-connected attorney Albert Romano in Yonkers, who seems to have had something on the Carrs and allegedly was involved in the call-boy ring that operated in the city. I haven't been able to dig up much information on him.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 11, 2020 17:36:41 GMT -6
Karpis taught Charlie a lot. In the beginning of Ed Sanders dune buggy battalion Charlie use to use the speakers that were strategically located by or under the other inmates pillows to give them messages while they were sleeping. That sounds exactly like Dr. Cameron's technique of "psychic driving" where he'd keep pounding messages into patients minds while they were in an altered state of consciousness vis drugs, deep sleep etc.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 25, 2020 20:34:26 GMT -6
Here's a news article from the NYtimes April 3 1981. It lists Joseph Tocco as a member of this mob drug syndicate. The SOS cult had a member from Yonkers with the last name Tocco, I'm not sure if this is him as I can't remember the first name. A lot of Toccos from Yonkers are related I'm willing to bet. The professor naming Charles Tacko made me remember the name lol.
"in Westchester County were arrested today and charged with conspiracy in an alleged multimillion dollar operation involving gambling, loan sharking and drug trafficking.
The Westchester District Attorney, Carl A. Vergari, said the alleged syndicate, which the authorities said controlled bookmaking receipts of $100,000 a day, operated from 20 Iselin Street in Yonkers. That address is the site of an auto-wrecking yard, a scrapmetal company and a refuse-hauling operation.
Law enforcement authorities had placed an electronic-listening device at the site. Mr. Vergari said John A. Pelose Jr., 41 years old, of Yonkers, was the ''operational head'' of the alleged syndicate. Also cited as a leader was Lawrence Centore Sr., 74, of Yonkers, the group's ''problem solver,'' according to the District Attorney.
Mr. Vergari said Mr. Centore ''has long been regarded as a highranking member of the so-called Genovese crime family in Westchester County, which was until recently headed by Frank Tieri.'' Mr. Tieri died of natural causes on Sunday. Operation 'Infiltrated' The 18-month investigation began when Police Chief Donald Singer of the Town of Greenburgh approached Mr. Vergari in an effort to ''find higher-ups in a local numbers racket.'' The District Attorney's own officers, working in a parallel investigation, eventually ''infiltrated'' the alleged operation.
An undercover officer, given the job of bet collector, ''became so adept, with his fellow officers at picking winning numbers and football teams that the police came out ahead, earning money to further the investigation at the gambler's expense,'' Mr. Vergari said.
Most of the ''victims'' of the syndicate, which Mr. Vergari said made an estimated profit of $250,000 a year, were gamblers with bad debts or ''borderline businessmen with no credit ratings'' who came in contact with loan sharks offering cash at interest rates of 100 to 250 percent a year. Two of the arrests were made in Dade County, Fla., where a drug trafficking link with the Westchester syndicate had just started, the authorities said.
Mr. Vergari said the inquiry also was able to provide New York City investigators with the names of suspects in Brooklyn and the Bronx. Those arrested, mostly at their Westchester homes, were arraigned in County Court on charges of criminal conspiracy, usury, gambling and drug trafficking. The penalties range up to 15 years in prison.
Those arrested, in addition to Mr. Pelose and Mr. Centore, were: Frank Alipo, Yonkers. Frank Calise, Yonkers. Fred Castaldo, Yonkers. Lawrence Centore Jr., Yonkers. Frank Condon, Yonkers. William Fields, Yonkers. Leonard Giordano, Yonkers. Steven Madori, Yonkers. Frank Muscente, Yonkers. Robert Pagliaro, Yonkers. John A. Pelose Sr., Yonkers. Joseph R. Pelose, Yonkers. Joseph Portanova, Yonkers. Joseph Tocco, Yonkers. Henry Burrough, Eastchester. Dominic Collarusso, Eastchester. Michael Leone, Eastchester. Anthony Martin, Eastchester. Frank Mezzone, Eastchester. Darin Mezzone, Eastchester. Louis Wade, Elmsford. Rufus Leath, White Plains. Harold West, White Plains.Burt Maruch, Tuckahoe. Amos Blackwell, Tarrytown. Dominick Colarusso, Monsey. Jimmy Murray, Teaneck, N.J. James LaRocca, Davie, Fla. Michael Scandizzo, Davie, Fla."
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Post by james1983 on Jul 25, 2020 20:42:51 GMT -6
The family owns Valley oil co. Of Yonkers. Said it was started in 1974. I wonder where the money came from to start it?
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Post by james1983 on Jul 25, 2020 20:55:48 GMT -6
After looking further it seems Tocco is a common name, especially among the mafia lol. Don't wanna piss these guys off! Lol. I do know for a fact that a Tocco was a part of the SOS cult though, I'm sure others out there remember the name from the brain web page.
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Post by marionumber1 on Jul 25, 2020 23:27:51 GMT -6
Indeed, it is quite common among Mafia types. Tocco is also the surname for longtime Detroit Mafia leader Jack Tocco: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Tocco Among other things, Alex Constantine alleged in one of his JonBenet Ramsey case articles that Jack Tocco was an organized crime partner of Jerry J. Moore, a wealthy Texas businessman and accused pedophile ring participant: Also interesting to see a LaRocca as one of the two Florida people arrested in that drug bust. An Ohio report once said about Jeffrey Epstein's benefactor Les Wexner:
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Post by Jon on Jul 26, 2020 0:26:42 GMT -6
The name Tocco does indeed turn up in the Yonkers cult saga. In August 1963, an Elmsford priest named Francis McShane was stabbed to death in New York City by eighteen-year-old Robert Charles Burger, a former mental patient; one of the Yonkers detectives who booked Burger on the homicide charge was Anthony Tocco. (The Herald Statesman noted that Detective Tocco had known Burger for two years. "'He wasn't a bad kid but he had a terrible temper, a very violent nature,'" Tocco said.) The SOS Cult site featured a newspaper clipping with photos of McShane and Burger, as well as two photos captioned "Robert Tocco Grady." The man in those photos was obviously Burger in old age. I'm not sure exactly how Robert Charles Burger became "Robert Tocco Grady," but the implication seems to be that Detective Tocco had adopted him at some point. In 2011, Burger beat his wife Rebecca Dethlefs to death and pleaded guilty to intentional second-degree murder the following year.
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Post by Jon on Jul 26, 2020 11:43:04 GMT -6
I suspect that prostitution was a factor in the McShane murder, which may have been why SOS Cult listed it as a possible precursor to Son of Sam. From the same Herald Statesman article (August 10, 1963) by Arthur E. Chambers:
"Father McShane met Burger in the Riverdale Pizzeria, 63 Riverdale Ave., late Wednesday night. Burger was playing a bowling game and Father McShane complimented him by saying, 'Nice game, son!' A conversation followed and, as the restaurant was closing, Father McShane is said to have invited Burger to accompany him to the Manhattan home of the priest's sister, who is away on vacation. That is Burger's explanation for his being in the priest's sister's apartment where the fatal stabbing took place, police said."
Police claimed to be investigating a possible robbery motive; Burger is quoted as saying that he "suddenly went berserk and stabbed the priest". Not surprisingly for the time, the question of gay prostitution was avoided altogether--at least publicly. Maybe the Riverdale Pizzeria was one of the locations out of which the cult's call-boy ring operated?
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Post by Jon on Jul 27, 2020 17:15:03 GMT -6
On closer inspection, the Riverdale Pizzeria was also a tavern that served hard liquor--meaning that it might have been *the* location mentioned by John Paul Ranieri (i.e., "They operated out of a bar near the Carr house"). The old Carr house and the former location of Riverdale Pizzeria are separated by 1.7 miles, and are actually on the same street since Riverdale Avenue becomes Warburton Avenue further north. A man named Joseph Molinari owned the pizzeria/tavern in 1961 (and was, in fact, attempting to sell the place that year), two years before the McShane murder, but I haven't turned up anything interesting on him.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 27, 2020 21:27:33 GMT -6
I know in the 70s and 80s pizzerias were fronts for mob activity. They held almost a monopoly on mozzarella cheese producing back then. I'm not sure if it went back into the 60s though. I know the Stone Wall where Ranieri prostituted in the late 60s was owned by the mob as was all gay clubs back then.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 28, 2020 5:33:00 GMT -6
As someone who has worked in a lot of restaurants, the mob not only directly "controls" plenty of them (especially back in the day) but also controls them by controlling food suppliers, linen companies, etc. One reason so many governments started favoring big corporate chains when handing out licenses is because that helped get the mob out of the industry.
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