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Post by Jon on May 10, 2020 22:40:28 GMT -6
I've been wondering about the identity of Mr. D myself! No clue so far, but I'll keep digging. I'm attempting to contact someone on the periphery of the Sam case; my hopes aren't high that this person is willing to talk, but if I do manage to gather any new info I'll definitely share it.
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Post by Jon on May 11, 2020 12:52:07 GMT -6
You're welcome. Maybe I'll get some sort of response this week.
I'm the same Jon, yeah. Still doing newspaper research and finding odd little bits and pieces indicating that the Yonkers cult existed, in some form, as early as the 1920's. It's an incomplete picture, but a bizarrely fascinating one!
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Post by james1983 on May 11, 2020 15:21:09 GMT -6
Jon. Have you read anything about the network of Yonkers doctors that were supposedly linked to this cult? I remember when I first see the SOS web brain page a couple years ago there was a doctor I was researching, but forgot his name. He had a business in Yonkers on the 400 block of Broadway. His son later took over the building and is a doctor now possibly. Anyways I remember a little about how I was starting to find old newspaper articles about him how he worked at the insane asylum in Staten Island where the Cropsey guy (forgot his name) worked as an orderly, at different times though. I had a lot of research on my computer until it crashed and I lost everything. I had a NY times article about how a YMCA program was boating children back and forth from a Yacht at the Riverside Yacht club. The tiny boat sank and authorities were called in to rescue all the children. That seemed kinda odd to me, maybe it was a harmless program. I know I would never let my children do that, especially if I'm not there.
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Post by Jon on May 11, 2020 17:55:34 GMT -6
I'm the same Jon, yeah. Still doing newspaper research and finding odd little bits and pieces indicating that the Yonkers cult existed, in some form, as early as the 1920's. OUTSTANDING Jon, so glad you are posting here!
Tremendous job on both the podcasts and that Yonkers Kindle book you put together! Definitely a required reading companion to "The Ultimate Evil"!
Thanks, Omega! I appreciate it. Hopefully there will be an expanded version of the booklet someday.
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Post by Jon on May 11, 2020 18:04:07 GMT -6
Jon. Have you read anything about the network of Yonkers doctors that were supposedly linked to this cult? I remember when I first see the SOS web brain page a couple years ago there was a doctor I was researching, but forgot his name. He had a business in Yonkers on the 400 block of Broadway. His son later took over the building and is a doctor now possibly. Anyways I remember a little about how I was starting to find old newspaper articles about him how he worked at the insane asylum in Staten Island where the Cropsey guy (forgot his name) worked as an orderly, at different times though. I had a lot of research on my computer until it crashed and I lost everything. I had a NY times article about how a YMCA program was boating children back and forth from a Yacht at the Riverside Yacht club. The tiny boat sank and authorities were called in to rescue all the children. That seemed kinda odd to me, maybe it was a harmless program. I know I would never let my children do that, especially if I'm not there. Hi, James. Yes, I found some indications that this network of doctors (and other prominent citizens) existed and that strange things were happening in Yonkers for decades. (Even the German Shepherd thing appears to date as far back as 1925.) I don't think I've run across the name of the doctor you mentioned, but I'd like to hear more about him.
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Post by Jon on May 11, 2020 19:46:56 GMT -6
I recall there was a doctor listed on that "Brain" site who I think his last name began with a "G" (I can't recall the name though) I believe he also had ties to Long Island later on in life (in addition to Yonkers earlier) That's right: he was an ophthalmologist and eye surgeon, and had a summer home in Shoreham, Long Island. (The phone number of that residence is one of the private numbers that was found in Berkowitz's apartment.) His father had been the fire chief in Yonkers for many years.
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Post by ace on May 12, 2020 9:10:37 GMT -6
One used to be able to access it without any sign-on and I heard even a sign-on doesn't grant access (I haven't tried setting up a sign-on) Okay, glad it wasn't only me who had trouble with it. I was able to access it once or twice but unfortunately never saved anything.
Also, WELCOME JON!
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Post by Jon on May 12, 2020 13:36:22 GMT -6
One used to be able to access it without any sign-on and I heard even a sign-on doesn't grant access (I haven't tried setting up a sign-on) Okay, glad it wasn't only me who had trouble with it. I was able to access it once or twice but unfortunately never saved anything.
Also, WELCOME JON!
Thanks, Ace! It's too bad about the SOS Cult site--I haven't been able to access it again, either.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 10, 2020 15:17:57 GMT -6
Some more grounds for further research in westchester would be the orphan train movement, pedophilia,Yonkers mayor John Emory Andrus, the Surdna (Andrus spelled backwards) foundation, and "CIA foundations".
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Post by Jon on Jul 10, 2020 17:36:24 GMT -6
I'm fond of quoting Maury Terry with regard to the City of Seven Hills: "Something was happening in Yonkers. Something strange." Truer words were never spoken!
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Post by james1983 on Jul 10, 2020 19:02:55 GMT -6
It's almost as if Stephen Kings town of Derry is an allegory for Yonkers/Westchester lol
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Post by Jon on Jul 10, 2020 22:51:10 GMT -6
Yes, or Bay City in Raymond Chandler's books: always sinister, always a source of trouble. I've wondered in passing if some obscure geographical or atmospheric phenomenon is ultimately to blame, as far-out as that sounds.
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Post by james1983 on Jul 11, 2020 2:35:44 GMT -6
its my opinion it's a place where evil people congregate since its basically a suburb to the most important city in the country. Rich and important people that work in industry, banking, and government all live around that area. There's an over abundance of psychopath/sociopath types who would do anything to fulfill the lusts of their flesh. Again, only an opinion lol.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 11, 2020 8:13:47 GMT -6
Stephen King's "Salem's Lot" has a character who was a mobster in NYC in the 1920s who settled in a small town in Maine in the 1930s and abducted and sacrificed a couple of young boys, leading up eventually to the Big Vampire settling there. I have never interviewed Mr King, but as I understand it, a member(s) of "Murder Inc" WAS supposedly a Satanist who settled in New England and over the next few years, some kids DID disappear. I'm not saying Salem's Lot is nonfiction; what I'm saying is, I guess there were rumours that some members of Murder, Inc were Satanists or some kind of occultists. Kid Twist, Lepke Buchalter, and maybe Albert Anastasia. Kid Twist's own friends were absolutely terrified of him. He apparently killed people for fun, or at the slightest provocation. He reminds me a LOT of Berkowitz--a sociopathic motormouth who cooooooolly turned state's and was then bumped--literally, out the window of a skyscraper. While in police custody. Which brings me to Alvin Karpis. Karpis was no brainless thug. He was the brains of the outfit. He had a remarkable education for a man of his means--and he was a musician. He had the same kind of "star power" that Manson and Bundy and Berko had. He wrote a best-selling autobiography and made a good career of being a star attraction after he was released on parole. Parole--------for CREEPY KARPIS? ? A cold-blooded cop-killer? WTF? The guy they [practically] built Alcatraz FOR? How did he swing a PAROLE? He was the only "Public Enemy #1" ever captured alive. How did HE make parole? Well, coincidentally enough, whilst good ol' Charlie Manson was being "rehabilitated" at McNeil Island federal pen, his guitar teacher was--good ol' Creepy Karpis. Sup-POSED-ly, when Charlie asked Creepy for references to get on stage in the Vegas mob-owned clubs, Karpis said, "Nah." Supposedly. But Charlie had contacts in the underworld there, anyway. Somehow. You know who else had contacts there? Jay Sebring. Jay Sebring's original claim to fame was styling Sinatra's hair (and matching hairpieces.) How? How, exactly, did Sebring get that gig? Anyhoo, back to Karpis. Was he a Satanist? I ask, because, after puttering around robbing hardware stores and the occasional bank with the Barker gang, Karpis graduated to kidnapping Friends of FDR in Minneapolis-St Paul. FDR was so pissed off he brought it up in one of his fireside chats. And the Twin Cities keep turning up--obliquely--as a cluster of homicidal Satanists. Here's another funny thing--Creepy started his criminal career--at the tender age of 11--in the porno/prostitution rackets for the Kansas City Mob. People have forgotten all about the Kansas City Mob, but they had more to do with building Vegas than Chicago or New York. Well, once good ol' Charlie got out, he went right back to work in the LA porno/prostitution rackets--but this time, also branched out in Reno, Tahoe, and Vegas. Funny, that. And LAPD and Bugliosi buried all that as deep as they could. Funny, THAT. I think it's entirely possible that Creepy Karpis may have been one of the rumored "mob Satanists." Are there any others? Especially in New York?
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Post by Jon on Jul 11, 2020 13:14:05 GMT -6
There was the Mob-connected attorney Albert Romano in Yonkers, who seems to have had something on the Carrs and allegedly was involved in the call-boy ring that operated in the city. I haven't been able to dig up much information on him.
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