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Post by james1983 on Apr 14, 2020 18:06:28 GMT -6
NY times article Dec. 9 1975 New Rochelle yacht club
DiPalermo, who are brothers, Virgil Alessi and Ralph Tutino, reportedly have long associations with the Mafia. They allegedly are concerned primarily with heroin distribution. Officials identified the five black leaders as Leroy Barnes, James Lofton, Frank Lucas, Steven Monsanto and Robert Stepeney. They reportedly have come to power in the last two years as blacks have gradually gained a larger share of the narcotics business here from Mafia‐controlled rings.
The four Hispanic dealers, Ramon Matos, Gustavo Restrepo. Hugo Curbello and Lilia Parada, are reputed to be among the largest cocaine dealers in the city. It is unclear if they are involved in heroin trafficking.
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Post by james1983 on Apr 14, 2020 18:35:13 GMT -6
International drug runner and Nazi scientist Josef Megele spotted in Westchester county NY in the late 70s and early 80s. People magazine June 24 1985 (please read full article)
"During the next quarter century Mengele, who finally carried a $3.4 million bounty on his head, was reportedly seen in Paraguay, Brazil, Chile, Bolivia, Peru, West Germany, Austria, Portugal, Miami and Westchester County, N.Y. He was, the reports stated, a rancher or an auto mechanic or an international drug trafficker. This much-hated, much-hunted fugitive seemed to move at will, always eluding capture, as if some evil guardian angel were protecting him—a perception that added luster to his-legend"
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Post by james1983 on Apr 28, 2020 5:54:08 GMT -6
I was wondering if anyone know more about Rabbi Maurice Davis? He resided in Westchester around the time of the cult activity, and was part of some anti cult group that later formed into the cult awareness society, that was later taken over by Scientology. He was a colleague of Jim Jones, and sold him a Jewish synagogue that Jones turned into one of his churches. There was a lot of strange things happening in that area for sure.
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Post by ace on May 6, 2020 8:29:51 GMT -6
Hmm, Terry names a SOS associate who was later murdered at a New Rochelle yacht club (13:48). I can't recall if Prof. Horan or John ever referenced that name specifically, but I do recall mention of auto body repair shops. No idea if his killer has ever been found.
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Post by Omega on May 6, 2020 10:00:18 GMT -6
Hmm, Terry names a SOS associate who was later murdered at a New Rochelle yacht club (13:48). And David giving his usual "Geez Whiz...Oh My Gosh...Yep...Yep..." dumb ass reaction!
It was ALWAYS Maury bringing up the info and David NEVER revealing ANYTHING on his own!
Like you mentioned Ace in another post and holds true about Beserkowitz:
"Life as an inmate satisfies David more than it should because he always wanted to be thought of as a big shot. He said he likes being fussed over and I can believe it."
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Post by oceancastle44 on May 6, 2020 13:05:00 GMT -6
Omega, Yes.You know the "Ultimate Evil"was published in 1987 I believe.If I remember right the Berkowitz interview, which aired on a Bill Kurtis A&E show with Maury Terry was done in 1993.In the interview, and I've heard this suggested,Terry seems to feeding Berkowitz a lot of stuff and Berkowitz is going yeah, yeah to confirm Terry's conspiracy ideas.I don't know what to think.
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Post by ace on May 6, 2020 15:20:51 GMT -6
All the better to keep Terry and everyone else hanging on, sure.
However, how does nodding in agreement not make him a “rat” to his fellow inmates?
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Post by Omega on May 6, 2020 16:05:11 GMT -6
All the better to keep Terry and everyone else hanging on, sure. However, how does nodding in agreement not make him a “rat” to his fellow inmates?
Berkowitz seemed to be very chatty to those prison informants ("Vinny"/"Danny") and that was early in the game when people were alive and could take matters in their own hands. How did he know they weren't FBI/police plants or cult-related personnel, etc. then?
He doesn't strike me as the "honor among thieves" type. If he was so concerned as to how he would look to others, then don't sit down with Maury going all the way back to those 1993 "Inside Edition" interviews.
The one that sticks in my craw, is how he strung Neysa Moskowitz along, all the way to her grave, after she tried to understand and basically forgave him for not being the actual shooter of Stacy. He was even sending her Mother's Day cards from jail. But, nope, wouldn't tell her and kept up the game of "I'm not the killer, but I know who is" I'm just saying I would have like to see once, just once, Berkowitz bring something himself to the table.
Who was pushing their agendas more - Maury or Berkowitz?
And who was the "chicken" and who was the "egg"?
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Post by oceancastle44 on May 6, 2020 19:17:28 GMT -6
Omega, Good question.May have served both their interests.Confirms Terry's theory for him and Berkowitz lets himself off of total responsibility, if he in fact did all the shootings, which I'm not totally convinced one way or the other at this point.
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Post by ace on May 7, 2020 9:26:14 GMT -6
I watched that video again and noticed some things. Granted I am not a body language expert but bear with me.
(7:16) "just fell into the flow"- looks up and to the left briefly, he's accessing a memory. What's that mean, to "go with the flow"? Besides a pretty good QOTSA song? You could say the plans were in place for whatever and Dave was just happy to fit in. He never planned shit (murders, drug dealing, etc). (7:42) "ride around in a big car"- accessing memory (11:15) "just coming into prison" - looks up and to the left, eyes wide, he's remembering how overwhelmed he was at first
(7:38) chuckles when stating goals of a normal life in the suburbs- likely bullshit, that was never a "goal"! (6:41) "fell under some powerful influences" - can't maintain eye contact, shakes head no, deceptive, real motive being kept close to his chest for this interview (7:00) "money people"- David sucks in his lips (does this a lot, VERY guarded), looks down, nods yes, he's submissive. He blinks and looks down quickly whenever "they" are mentioned.
(7:47) "people that had that [money, stuff]"- shrugs, not his motivation. My theory is he liked to feel needed, judging from his background. He was a joiner, a soldier, and he was probably very much enticed to some degree by "free love". Dave was a thirsty young man.
(13:31) "Carr brothers...lost their lives..." - looks up, to the left, accessing memory; stumbles over "what exactly transpired". He knows exactly what transpired in regards to their deaths! (13:43) "Dawn Koons" - maintains eye contact (13:47) "Frank Signorelli" - looks down (13:57) "murder" - Gets very nervous, hides his face. Did he have something to do with the clipping of former associates? (14:03) "That's, uh, what happens..." - very cavalier!
(14:42) "there are [dark, satanic] powers, entities..."- blinks and looks down, reverence. Not a mighty christian soldier. He still respects his former superiors. Still loyal??? You can't just close a chapter of your life that was as powerful as that.
(14:53-15:52) "Do you remember Jimmy Cohn [sp?]..." - Gets very uncomfortable, lowers his eyes after "Mr. D" is mentioned, hides his face after Maury mentions Jimmy's suicide, then redirects to his ministry.
And so on and so forth. Pure speculation: his involvement with cult activities didn't end abruptly. He was playing his own little games from behind bars for many years. He had axes to grind and probably did. If he could pit one faction against another all the better. Where does "to protect my father" fit in? Which father, his adopted dad or his cult father? If they whacked his adopted father for any reason, Dave still observed a lot of info in his, what, 2 years as a member?
I don't want to necessarily "make sense of things", that's how you end up holding up Iron Maiden lyrics as proof of cult activity. I want to make sense out of why things were done the way they were done. People who are suspicious of David have good reason to be so.
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Post by ace on May 7, 2020 9:44:28 GMT -6
The one that sticks in my craw, is how he strung Neysa Moskowitz along, all the way to her grave, after she tried to understand and basically forgave him for not being the actual shooter of Stacy. He was even sending her Mother's Day cards from jail. But, nope, wouldn't tell her and kept up the game of "I'm not the killer, but I know who is" Agreed. David had nothing to gain from giving anything up. What a wicked bastard.
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Post by oceancastle44 on May 7, 2020 11:10:38 GMT -6
Ace, the interview Terry does with Berkowitz,I can't remembered do you actually ever see Terry or do you just hear him asking the questions.Point being,I'm watching this interview and sometimes I felt like Terry might be showing Berkowitz flash cards or something with the answer he wants Berkowitz to give.I haven't watched it for quite some time.Have to look at it again.
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Post by ace on May 7, 2020 12:18:15 GMT -6
Ace, the interview Terry does with Berkowitz,I can't remembered do you actually ever see Terry or do you just hear him asking the questions.Point being,I'm watching this interview and sometimes I felt like Terry might be showing Berkowitz flash cards or something with the answer he wants Berkowitz to give.I haven't watched it for quite some time.Have to look at it again. To be fair I get where you’re coming from, which is what prompted me to go back and watch that interview I posted upthread. I don’t see it as yep-yep to satisfy Terry or anyone else and that’s because of how he reacts. Berkowitz is not going to freely offer anything up. He can’t. My theory is because his cult involvement didn’t end with his arrest and yet he has a new image to maintain. Berkowitz would elaborate a little here and there, but he is literally “tight lipped” and will confirm only what Terry spent hundreds of hours dredging up. Pretty sick when you think about it. He’s deliberately holding back, keeping himself in check. His reactions are also consistent and there is a clearly noticeable pattern. Watch it with the sound low and just watch his mouth and eyes. Watch where he pulls in his lips and what’s being asked. Watch where he looks down or bows his head and consider what’s being discussed. He almost never looks up and to the right which indicates he’s using his imagination to fill in any blanks. Lots of looking up and to the left which means he’s recalling memories.
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Post by oceancastle44 on May 7, 2020 12:23:13 GMT -6
Ace, I'll watch for that stuff.
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Post by ace on May 7, 2020 12:33:24 GMT -6
Ace, I'll watch for that stuff. I could be full of it, but once I noticed a pattern to his reactions I was kind of knocked back a little.
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