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Post by hope on Nov 28, 2020 22:00:23 GMT -6
Thanks for posting the report to go along with the denim shirt. Too bad we do not know the results of that testing.
Here is a post of Josh's from 2009: Unfortunately, he did not go into more detail. Such as, was unknown DNA uploaded into CODIS and no matches were found in the database? Or DNA from POI's were collected and compared to DNA from the crime scene? I know a lot has happened since that post was made & the DNA they were trying to "match" could have very well been Justin's. Just trying to get a feel for what type of testing has been done based on what we know. Perhaps we can try to create a timeline of sorts.
Do you know of any other reports attributed to Frazier? I don't believe I have seen his name anywhere else.
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Post by kmik on Dec 19, 2020 17:21:26 GMT -6
My questions about this case today are:
1. Why haven't we seen a full interview for anyone other than Marty and Bo?
2. If Marty had been seeing his "counselor" weeks before AND after the murders then what are the chances they had already had plenty of discussions on the subject? Marty not mentioning the murders until that "confession" - highly unlikely
3. If Marilyn, Justin, Dee Lake, Remona Lake, and Richard Meeks were questioned in 2016 were Ricky and Greg also questioned again in 2016? If so ??
4. What was Steve Durham's "story"?
5. Who gave J&D the ride to Keddie?
6. Did Johnny own a pellet gun? Was Richard Meeks ever asked that question?
7. Why was Angus Lynch in Quincy?
8. What info did Lisa Bales give in the Kathy Howard case?
9. Where is ANY information on Tina?
10. Who took the aerial photos? (DOJ, Reporters?)
11. What day were the aerial photos taken?
12. Is the print on the song book and the partial print on the hood of the car the only prints the police have? If so what are the chances the killer(s) only touched the songbook and the car hood?
13. Was Sheila's assumption that they didn't own any tape like that used on the victims based only on her looking at the victims bloody bindings from the front door on 4-12-81?
14. Where are the other phone interviews conducted with the Sharp children after they went to Oregon?
15. Was Glenna Meeks ever asked about the possibility of Dana being the father of the baby?
16. If the DOJ was in on a coverup in 1981 then why were they called in again in 1984 when unknown remains were found in Butte County? (Doug Thomas was long gone from PCSO and this was Butte not Plumas)
17. Why was the 911 caller accused of "knowing" it was Tina's remains when the Oroville Mercury newspaper clearly reported that Chief investigator for Butte County, Tom Butler, asked the public for assistance in identifying the remains, giving out a number to call if they knew of ANY children that had gone missing in the last 2 or 3 years since there were none in Butte county that fit the description of the remains? (He was basically asking for names of any missing children outside of Butte County)
18. Was Tina's a match for the small amount of female DNA that was found?
19. Is there a report on what the Sharp's did on Friday?
20. Justin (to my knowledge) has never mentioned the killer(s) wearing gloves so where are anyone else's fingerprints or DNA?
I could go on and on but will stop for now
*** Where is the list of people that hunted in the Camp 18 area?
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Post by raemen2 on Dec 20, 2020 9:40:33 GMT -6
Question 17 - I can’t imagine that Butte County officials were NOT aware of Tina Sharp and the possibility that the remains could be Tina. However, I do believe that there is evidence that a “certain” kind of perpetrator likes to inject themselves into police investigations and putting out a call to action may just produce a lead.
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Post by hope on Dec 21, 2020 12:31:43 GMT -6
It is strange Butte County wasn't aware of Tina or didn't consider her. I'm also not convinced the caller was anything more than someone calling in a possible tip, just as the public was asked to do. Although some perpetrators definitely do try to interject themselves into the investigation, I'm just not sure that was the case here.
It has been made out as if this man stated the remains were definitely Tina's. A section of the recording was made public in 2016(?) & we were told the entire audio is much more damning. However, 28 released the entire recording on his Facebook page a few months ago and it did not seem any more damning to me. The caller just said "have you considered the girl missing from Keddie". Of course, it could be someone involved injecting themselves but I dont feel that call was convincing enough to claim that as a fact like it has been. It probably would have made more sense for them to ask the caller to come forward, so PCSO could quietly check him out behind the scenes....instead of publicly stating he was involved. Just my 2 cents of course : )
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Post by raemen2 on Dec 21, 2020 17:36:25 GMT -6
Agree 100% ... the caller had zippo to do with Tina. Just trying to be a good citizen...this call has been dramatized for some reason.
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Post by kmik on Dec 21, 2020 18:18:55 GMT -6
Here is the article from the Oroville Mercury Register: June 11, 1984
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Post by kmik on Dec 21, 2020 18:20:57 GMT -6
I didn't screen shoot the article I just copied and pasted the text and the text form was missing periods and had had alot of typos so I've tried to correct them.
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Post by hope on Dec 21, 2020 22:15:41 GMT -6
Wait, so Crimm just happened to also be called into investigate the remains found in Butte County...prior to the victim being ID'd as Tina? I had alway just assumed he was brought in once they knew it was Tina. Crimm didn't mention to Butte County that maybe it could be Tina? Perhaps he did and her name was added to the list the article speaks of. Thanks for posting that kmik
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Post by kmik on Dec 22, 2020 8:06:49 GMT -6
The article said Mike Crimm not Prince Albert Crim so not sure if it's the same person. The article does make it clear that LE already had a list of their own that was to be analyzed so it's very probable that Tina's name was on the list already and I think it was professional of LE not to speculate on who the remains were. It appears the only reason the remains were mentioned as possibly belonging to Kevin Collins is because he had disappeared from San Francisco a month earlier and when word got out about the skull the news media descended upon Butte with several asking to land helicopters at the BCSO (I'm assuming they all thought it was Kevin Collins) - so it must have ended up being a media circus resulting in news media not being able to use the Sheriff's landing pad without permission. (I didn't know until reading the article that LE are allowed to land a helicopter on practically anything)
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Post by kmik on Feb 15, 2021 21:33:02 GMT -6
A question that still lingers unanswered:
1. What happened to exposing "all them liars"?
I hope that everyone understands what he is actually admitting by his reluctance to post these actual reports and statements. Do you think his FB page will come back to life around April? Only if Vickie gets that book written.
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Post by kmik on Mar 9, 2021 21:20:45 GMT -6
To all the "Monday morning 40 years later quarterbacking" from "armchair criminal child interrogation experts" out there crying "this case was botched" because LE didn't call in an "expert" in 1981 to coach them on how these kids should be interviewed remember this:
This was 1981 not 2021 but they tried to work with what they had:
It's easy to understand that LE spent so much time trying to get Justin to tell them what happened because he was the only one talking - not Ricky - not Greg. All of this so called "falsification" and "corruption" by LE has been invented as an excuse as to why we don't know what Ricky or Greg witnessed but we don't know because either they don't know what happened or if they do it was told to family who did not want it repeated. If Dmac seriously believes that Ricky or Greg said more in their interview than what LE documented then he needs to quit speaking for them and go speak to them! It's absolutely nauseating that he acts as their spokesperson
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Post by hope on Mar 12, 2021 18:38:39 GMT -6
Could it be the "missing pillow" that was mentioned in the recently released police interviews of Rick from '81?
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Post by kmik on Apr 12, 2021 14:54:33 GMT -6
If the Meeks were not involved in the murders then what time did they hear about them?
Judith Lynt said around mid morning Mr. Krois (who lived behind the Sharps) called his daughter Maggie (who had spent the night at the Lynts) to tell her about the murders. So if Susan Krois was over at the Meeks with Larhonda then it's possible he also called there (or wherever they had spent the night) to tell Susan about the murders? If so then Larhonda could have told/called Glenna after hearing it from Susan. This would be around the time Blaine and Richard said they heard it from Glenna. Mid morning would be between 9:00am-10:00am
If we had these reports we could obviously put all of this together because I'm sure if the report of Mr Krois calling the Lynts house is in the files then how and when Glenna Meeks found out is also in the files - we just haven't been told. We know what Blaine and Richard said so would be around mid morning.
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Post by hope on Apr 14, 2021 9:57:15 GMT -6
Kmik, this makes absolute sense to me and is something I wouldn't have put together myself. So thank you.
FWIW, Nina always claimed she found out about the murders via a phone call from LaRhonda. She said LaRhonda had spent the night with Susie and called to tell her something happened at Sue's because there were cops all over the place.
We now know, based on Mr. Krois' statement, that the sleepover was not at the Krois' home but he did confirm Susie was at a sleepover with LaRhonda. We still don't know if the sleepover was at the Meeks or somewhere else. I'm going to with the sleepover was at a third girls house.
Mr. Krois calls the Lynt's to tell Maggie about the murders (or something happening at 28) and calls wherever Susie spent the night to inform her. Since LaRhonda is with her she either calls Nina (as Nina claimed) or tells Nina. "Mom, Susie's dad just called. He said something is going on at Sue's because there are cops everywhere".
Nina passes the word onto her kids and it reaches Blaine. She calls Marilyn at some point after no answer at Sue's. Richard makes his way to Keddie. Dana is his main concern because he already knows one of two things: that something bad happened at the Sharps & chances are Johnny was home or he knew Sue & Johnny had been murdered (If Mariyln had told Nina because Justin had told her). Richard is looking for Dana because he's hoping Dana didnt spend the night at Johnny's.
You're right, we probably could tie it all together if we had the interviews with all of these people. But until then I feel you nailed it.
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Post by kmik on Apr 14, 2021 18:58:16 GMT -6
I just wonder if LE was trying to verify what time the Meeks family found out about the murders. Otherwise why ask Judith Lynt when she found out?
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