Why has no one ever been able to establish conclusively that Silveria was in jail at the time of the murders? There was a "hobo jungle" near Keddie, and drugs moving by rail, which to me might explain all the random traffic in Keddie (if drugs were coming off the trains there). Marty commented that he didn't even hear the train when he got up in the night of the murders. I think that's the only mention of the trains I've read about in the investigation. Why would he bring that up? How loud were the trains it and for how long? Would the sound cover screams?
And Spang is definitely worth a lot more attention in all of this.
There are so many worth looking at and he is no exception but i think Robert S was killing fellow railroad riders and also stealing from them plus if he was in jail (I don’t have a definite way to access that info but I would think the police do) then there’s no way he could have. I know he was around Plumas and married the Kidder woman. Ward Weaver is another interesting person but Karl S is way more interesting than those two.
I would think the killer was probably in one of the vehicles observed in Keddie that night. Which one? Looks like we’ll never know but somebody does.
My understanding is that no one has ever been able to definitively establish that RS was in jail at the time. If I remember correctly, he was out for a period of time close to when the murders occurred.
We (the public) may not have that information but the police do. I've gone back and looked up all that I can on him and everything I read said it was learned he was incarcerated at the time of the murders.
Certainly the PCSO would have arrested him (especially since he confessed) unless there was evidence that he was in jail or not involved.
Plus (just my opinion) I don't see what the motive would have been since 28 was not burglarized, Sue had food stamps and change in her purse, plus the victims were not railroad riders and this was mass murder. But who knows?
Skeptic you could be right. That is just something we don't have access to. He was a serial killer living in that area. We just don't have anyway of knowing where he was living and if he knew the Sharps or Dana. We also don't have any information on the "hobo camp" near Keddie.
Josh had the perfect forum for this murder because he had key people such as Sheila, Richard, Marilyn, Ms. Meeks, and Justin posting. Unfortunately a madman, who "knew" more than anyone else, took over and ruined it. Marilyn was actually back on his forum around 2017(?). But it was just the same old questions. It got him(dmac) no new information.
It wish we knew (1) where he lived, (2)who he knew in Quincy, (3) how did he happen to met a local girl, get married, and have a child. Did he have a vehicle? Like Kmik said, Tina left Keddie that night in a vehicle, dead or alive. Along with her went the pellet gun and shoe(tool) box, we know that for a fact, possibly a school backpack, another hammer, and Sue's pink jumpsuit.
I'm not really sold on the "Sue's pink jumpsuit" thing. My brother or brother=in-law or kids would never be able to identify that. JMO Must have been pretty flashy for them to say for certain the item of clothing (FOUND BY A SEABOLT) would be like "Oh yeah, totally Sue's".
Silveria at one time confessed to the keddie murders, he was questioned in prison. I'm pretty sure he was ruled out for good reason, he'd be a dream suspect. Transient, outsider, druggy, serial killer. However, I would Love to read his interview.
karis - I was on Josh's forum, as well as the one run by I believe it was Jessie (?) (a guy who supposedly ended up in jail for being a pedophile) -under different names. I've posted info in all the forums that I didn't keep back up copies of, unfortunately. I'm glad you all were smarter and kept copies of your research and/or of some of the old forums. I think the first one I joined was called the "red board" or something like that? Anyway, it was great when some of the insiders would show up and answer questions, because even when they were BS'ing, it was informative
S is for... Sharp, James Milford *Jim -Years back, he was my first suspect just being the soon-to-be ex. As time went by, I couldn't find much else on him and (I'm sure) Gamberg (with all of his amazing detective skills) told Dmac that James had an alibi so all that was shelved. Here are some notes on Jim. Revisiting can be refreshing, but some may be outdated so corrections are welcome. :-) Much of this goes way back to when the only suspects I was hearing about were Marty, Bo, and Marilyn and that didn't feel right to me. FWIW Whether Sue left James or James kept kicking Sue out, I tend to lean more toward Sue leaving Jim for quite a few different reasons. In the meantime a whole lotta other suspects popped up but, I do think James is still interesting. So many questions! **This goes hand in hand with the information found under: Theories, page 6 on this forum.
MILITARY -NAVY Naval Inv. Service (NIS): Agent Carolyn Silberstien, watch James Sharp in Connecticut, info from agent Beasley. (Shanks/Stoy) -July 1981: Carol Silberstein is asked to conduct a surveillance on James Sharp at Groton, CT to see if Tina Sharp is there. -The military had a hush hush questionaire about him. (Not until July?) *Document -James was on a ship accounted for at the time of the murders. (True? Could he have "hired" someone?) -So far no military records connect Mr. Sharp to Bo, Marty, or Dee. -Were Jim's military records his only alibi? Was he on a ship? True? Which ship? -Dmac: The family photo was taken around 1975, when they were stationed at the nearby navy base and living in Gulfport, MS. Gulfport was a favorite spot of Bo's. He had nearby family, and was an in-patient at the Gulfport VA right after it's believed he and Marty got together for what appears to be their last crime wave in 1988, on the East Coast. (Is this true? So, maybe Jim knew Bo??) -"Being in CT" and "Being on a ship". That seems a little excessive. (When did Sue leave James? Go into "hiding"? Who said that Sue was in hiding?) -James could have an air tight alibi for 4/11. Isn't that what anybody would do? Make sure they have an alibi? -The knots. navy knots? hitch Sue and Jim were on again off again for about 5 years before she moved to Keddie and filed for divorce. What else did she (plan on) filing for?
FIGHT/TRYING TO TIE JAMES IN WITH BO/MARTY/DEE -The first picture is of James Sharp (all cleaned up) and the second is of Avery Schreiber. Not a big stretch if you consider James would have looked like a raging maniac if he was hollering the C word at Sue. Did he find them again? Through his military buddies perhaps? Could Bo have been hired? Maybe drag Marty into this sh*t? That would be a reason for Dee to choke up during his interview. Marty was his friend. But, would Dee tell? No. Because he'd be telling on himself. -The music at the bar was a live band until midnight. Then the bar played records until 2 am. Bo said he was "mad enough to kill someone" (if you believe that story-who told it? Marilyn?). Over music? Really? -The only adult person ever to be that mad at Sue was probably James. She did nothing in Keddie (or any where to our knowledge) to constitute this sort of anger. All kinds of bells go off with this nutjob. -Another thing I'd like to prove/disprove: How exactly did Marty and Bo meet? Marty said he met Bo at the VA Hospital. Had Dee run into Bo before Marty met him? He was back and forth to the VA a lot. Which leads me to: Did Bo know James? Or did James know someone who knew Bo? -Mar 31 1981: Dee brings Marty back from Reno. With them is Severin John (John S) "Bo" Boubede. Mar 31 1981: Bo gets to Keddie and in 11 days a mother and 2 children get murdered and there's a missing 12 year old? Were Marty and Dee Bo's dupes? For all we know, James might have thought his whole family would be home. Just them. Or, just Sue and Tina. We don't know. Gotta get rid of this woman, she's ruining my life. I know a guy (Bo) who knows a guy (Dee) who's friends with a guy (Marty) who lives across the street from Sue. Too simple?? Too complicated?? The plan: Get in (knock knock) get out. Only problem is, Bo wasn't very good at his job. He thought he could just call and make sure Sue was home (who is this?). I'd like to see #26's outgoing calls that night. -Sheila: Sue always just slept on the couch. (Bo, you dirty window peeper.) But, not this night. And, then all hell broke loose when the boys walked in. But, it paved the way for James to marry Helgah in July 1982. Who knows? Maybe Helgah didn't want his baggage. -I'd love to find a connection between James and Bo. Maybe through the VA? -Maybe Frank Mike Davis wasn't covering for Tony like Dmac states in all his reversereversealibigarbage) and he saw James holler YOU C! and Sue holler YOU B! Not a very long fight? Would FM Davis know James? He knew everybody else. Maybe FMD threw it out there that he saw Sue and someone holler at each other not thinking it was a big deal. Just seems like there's a ring of truth to this. -And even if it wasn't Marty and Bo--could Jim have gotten someone else to do this? Afterall, we still have the guys in the bar and the guys Spang talked about. There were a few "strangers" in town that night. Would you change a tire for men (in uniform?) "dressed nice"? -Green van. Who drove the van the Seabolts saw. Sheila didn't. Or, didn't make it seem as important as others? Whose?
ALIBI -I've been looking for a solid alibi for James. I can't find one. (Letter, document stating where he was on 4-11-81 not a David says it's so so it's so) and before July when they decided to watch him to see if he had Tina. 3 months later. Maybe an alibi for 4/11-July. He went to OR right after the funerals. If he could show up on Sue's doorstep once, twice, three times, four times, couldn't he have shown up on Sue's doorstep again? Who hated Sue? James. And...?? Just James?
DIVORCE/LAWYER/MOLESTATION Sue was hiding from James and her lawyer was just beginning the divorce. Jim was a child molester. Would killing Sue be out of his realm? Sue never pressed charged from his molestation on Sheila. (True? When did Sheila first tell of this molestation? Year?) James Sharp: Mugshot picture (date?) *Adrian, David: Sue's lawyer. (I wonder who he worked for. I can't imagine Sue being able to afford a lawyer. Filing for child support?) Adrian, David: ESP map of Tina's location. Dmac: I've spoken with Adrian. He stated he was on vacation at the time of the murders and that Sue had just barely begun divorce proceedings and doesn't think her husband was even yet aware of the move. He also emphatically denies any ESP map. (Wrong David? Gott?) -There were no divorce papers. It was a preliminary meeting, a consultation if you will. James was called to attend the funeral. Dmac: April 16 Unknown LE person drew a sketch of the cabin 28 floorplan. Dmac: James Sharp-soon to be ex-husband of Sue Sharp. Registered in Missouri, sodomy with a child under fourteen. Early 90s I think. (If this is true, who was this child? That would have been when he was married to Helgah.) -If Sue had filed for divorce, isn't that what Jim wanted? Afterall, he up and married another woman shortly thereafter. It's quite fair to say he didn't want the responsibility for the five children. Nor the expense. Sheila saying it will take a while before "they" can explain things says a lot. I do think Sheila knows more than she was saying. -What Dmac said about Jim kicking them out and not caring, totally true. She was getting money from Jame's being in the navy, $250 a month. But NO child support that we can find. Child support comes after the divorce. And, Sue had a lawyer. As soon as you file that very first paper (which is super easy it just says: I Sue Hate My Husband And Want Him To Leave Me Alone) the lawyer was obligated to send him a notice. I think that's the law? So let's assume Sue went to that lawyer and signed that paper, shook his hand and left. That lawyer would draw up that one page paper, send it on to a "sheriff" in the town James lived in. Probably in that first week when he got his mail, he'd know he was served. So on what date did Sue meet up with that lawyer? Could Jim have found out some other way that Sue was filing? Don & Nancy? Jackie H? There was a phone call to her sister on her call log. -But, the whole part about Jim not caring that Sue was divorcing him, oh, he cared. IF he knew, he cared alrighty. Because that's when sh*t got real. Maybe.
*April 1975- Gulfport, MS *April 1975-Oct 1976. Sue and the kids lived with Sue's sister (Jackie Holbert) By what Jackie said (saying repeatedly that Jim kicked her sister out, she laughed during her interview-weird) Jackie may have had more loyalty to Jim than to Sue. Sisterly love perhaps? They'd lived together quite a while Yet, she said "I didn't want him to have them." Why? *Oct 1976-April 1977. Sue went back to Jim in CT for 6 months. *April 1977- After getting kicked out Sue goes to her mother-in-law's at Rolla, Missouri for about 3 weeks. *May 1979-Sue and kids rent space 27A at Claremont Trailer Park (formerly rented by Sue's brother Don Davis.) (Fred Bryers/Bradley) *Sep 1979: Sue and family move to Quincy, CA from CT and live in the Claremont Trailer Park by Gasner Field (D Davis to Shaver) (Nancy Davis/Crim) *Nov 1979: James Sharp comes from CT to visit Sue and the kids (D Davis to Shaver) Nov 1980? Sharps move (from Claremont Trailer Park?) to cabin 28, Keddie. (D Davis to Shaver) (Look at Sue/Jim timelines-check Jim's closer? Is this correct? Can more be added?) When did Sue move to Claremont? I have more than one date.
DMAC Dmac: As far as for James Sharp, he was in CT at the time. The navy watched him for a while and duty records show he was in CT. Besides James didn't give a shit. He'd kicked her and the kids out many times before. And, despite claims Sue wouldn't give James any contact info (address, phone) and that she was nearly complete in the divorce settlement, she'd just barely begun the process (according to the lawyer when I spoke with him). And she had to give him this info, as he came out for a short visit in November of 1979. And, guess who she called in the month prior to the murders? You bet: James. Dmac: James did attend the funeral, flying into Reno on the 16th and renting a car. He stayed at Don and Nancy Davis' place with the surviving kids. Afterwards, he took off to Oregon, leaving for CT on Tue or Wed the 22nd. To my (Dmac's) knowledge it is the last time they saw him. Sheila did go to his funeral, but was the only one. -I don't wonder why nobody else went, I wonder why Sheila did.
OBITUARIES/HELGAH -He was married to a woman named Helgah Marcelina Sharp in July 1982 and got divorced in 1997. The county he lived in, and the town, Rolla is not a rural area in the traditional sense as it is a college town. -James Milford Sharp born Sep 4 1946 in Maries County, Missouri to John and edna (Asher) Sharp. Died Oct 8 2010 in Rolla, Missouri age 64. James served in the US Navy during the Vietnam War. He retired from the Navy after years of faithful service. Avid outdoorsman. Enjoyed hunting and fishing. Loved to sing karaoke. Survivors: daughter Sheila Meeks Salem OR, sons Rick Sharp Loveland CO, Greg Sharp of Medford OR. Brothers: David Sharp Rolla, Robert Sharp Jefferson City MO, Don Sharp Corinth TX, Harold Sharp (wife Charity) Kissimmee FL. Sisters: Shirley Henson (Bobby) Doolittle MO, Linda Jocsing (Neil) Rolla, Mary Muellman Oviedo FL. 5 grandchildren. Several nieces, nephews extended family and friends. Preceded in death by: son Johnny, daughter Tina, brother Jerry, parents. Full military honors. Buried Rolla MO. -Edna L. Sharp born July 28 1917 St. James Missouri to James Oliver and Jessie (Neighbors) Asher. Died Aug 10 2006 Rolla MO age 89. Married John Joseph Sharp. 9 children. Preceded in death by 4 grandchildren: Christina, Beth, Johnny, Tina. Service held Rolla. Burial Vienna, Missouri.
VISITS He visited in Nov '79. (Four visits?) Avery Shreiber fight (when?) Sue killed April 1981. Jim resembled Avery Schreiber. *Photo -He didn't care that Sue was leaving him again (You C!) or about all those kids. Only one he remotely cared about was Tina (who said she was his favorite?) Maybe because Tina still loved him and the others didn't. -Pretty sure he wished he could wash his hands of the whole lot of them at some point when he was laying in his navy cot. Sure up and married rather quickly as well. Sheila is the only one that went to the funeral? She is a connecting dot in all of this. -I think it was Sue's brother that said James "visited" Sue four times since she left him. (Yay. "Visits" from the abusive man who "kicked you out". And, in such a short period of time? James traveled that much? Had that much time off? CT to Keddie is about 42 hours. Jim was in CT, MS, MO, and CA)
OPINION/QUESTIONS James Sharp. I think he found her many times and that was why it was so hard for her to leave him and why she kept going back. But, instead of going back to him when he "visited" her last, she ran to Keddie where she thought he couldn't reach her. JS maybe he did find her. This sounds like a f'd up hit on an abused woman that finally grew a pair of balls? She was afterall doing something she hadn't ever done. (Saw a lawyer.) The phone call "Who's this?" The child that (Sue) wanted home that night was Tina. Did she think Tina could protect her from (whoever called)? Maybe Tina called her dad and Sheila knew and that's why she said it'd take a while for "them" to explain. Wasn't there something about Sheila looking out the Seabolt's window and sleeping in the living room that night with the dog? Who said "Tina was Jim's favorite" and "it was common knowledge"? Would James "care enough" to hire someone to kill Sue? Did he stalk Sue? Seek her out? -Who "won" in all this? I can only see one person. May not turn out to be true. Guy might just be a sailer with lots of bad luck. But, who hated Sue? Who would call her a C? More importantly, who could make her so angry that she would call him a B? Not that many people. (We've since learned of a couple.) Number one would be James Sharp. Did this just get out of hand? Was Tina a willing participant? If Tina was dressed who was she waiting for? Who called dad? Did Sheila know?
Numerous people have come out with other numerous people that could have had a gripe with Sue. But, James. Is he still a suspect? Can we cross him off our list or no? IF Sue (or Tina) was the intended target, Jim is a great suspect. IF Dana (or Johnny) was the intended target, he's not. JMO
Thank you so much for that JMO! I think James Sharp should have been the number one suspect when the murders happened. It's obvious that he didn't want Sue and the kids so it's hard to imagine him wanting to pay out any child support. And if he had molested Sheila (Tina?) then he certainly should have been concerned that she/they would tell Sue and it certainly wouldn't have helped his navy career either.
From the 1980 FRB newspaper:
Somebody made a call to James Sharp in March so who was it? We don't have the time when the call was made but I'm thinking if it was during school hours you could easily rule out the kids - if it was after then who knows? Surely the police questioned everyone on the phone list about who called them and why. The phone log report has no exact date only 0-5-81 so I'm wondering if that means May'81 when they received the phone log - if so maybe they decided to follow James after seeing he'd been called in March. I can understand if Sue was allowing the kids to call their Dad maybe once a month to keep him from calling them but who knows if he would have even wanted a phone call since he obviously didn't maintain a relationship with them after this horrible tragedy (when they would have needed him). He went to Oregon after the funerals so was that to see that the kids were settled in with Jackie or was that to visit someone else?
Karis has long said that Jim could pass for an Avery Schrieber lookalike and was only a little taller than Sue (that is if there is any truth to the story told by Frank Davis). I can't see James being able to commit murder in Keddie if he was on a ship at sea. I also can't see him being able to afford to pay someone to do something like this but stranger things have happened - so who knows? But I can see there were great motives there and definitely not someone to quickly rule out.
One of Dmac's biggest faults (besides being locked in on the Marty theory) is that he only deems someone a suspect if they can be connected back to Marty and Bo. I don't see a reason to force connections - if they fit they fit, if they don't no need to force it. Bo knowing the Sharp's because he was possibly in Gulfport around the same time is just a stretch. Bo was not a hit man - ever. If I had to bet I'd say Bo met Marty at the Vet Center in Reno (where any vet could walk in off the street just for a cup of coffee) and they both found they had a connection with the carnival or maybe had even known each other from the carnival and Marty took him home with him so they could conduct those "scams" since Bo was the mastermind of that. Dee Lake (no matter if he is scum of the earth) loved the VETS. It is stated in the FRB that Dee hauled vets back and forth from Plumas to Reno so it's no wonder at all that he took Marty out there and went back and picked him and Bo up. This is what he did so it was not out of the ordinary that he did it for Marty.
Let's have a little chat about this girl. Quite a bit of chatter on other pages. I'll give a little run down and keep in mind it's JMO.
Sheila's fingerprint is the only one on the bulb. Now, could she have been the one to screw it in? Yes. But, the lightbulb worked then didn't. Did it burn out that night (that'd be a hell of a coincidence) or did she unscrew it to give (whomever-I'll get to that) a clue as to when to come in to 28?
I always feel murders should be worked from the victims out. This got so bogged down with soooo many people. Could this murder be that big? I don't know if law enforcement tried to cover anything up other than their own incompetence (incomplete reports, lost evidence, egoisms--you name it). That would and could be a difference crime. Somebody else can work on all that. lol
I came across this case and Sheila was simply a 14 year old girl, that was abused by her father, had a baby she gave up for adoption, taking care of her brothers and sisters, living in a (camp ground?) with an overwhelmed mother who was just trying to get her own shit together. Honestly, so many other characters came out of the woodwork that I gave her very little attention. But, let's chat about Sheila. I'm not going to be the only one disappointed in her if she's behind this whole thing. DAMN
Back to that lightbulb. Maybe it burned out that night, maybe someone unscrewed it. IF it's Sheila's fingerprint...
Sheila is the one who "sat up looking out the window" that night. Sheila is the one (I hate to say this) probably sent Tina home. Who said Mama called and said they boys were on the way home? Sheila is the one that "found" them after going home for (her story changes). What are the odds that she knew she wasn't going to church that morning? I'm definately going to have to pull some notes together.
Sheila, afterall was like Mama Meeks "family". (Raise your hand if you got sick and tired of hearing Mama insist that.) She had a baby with Richard. Didn't she? Now there's talk about it being Dana's? Good Lord. I'm on the side of "who cares whose baby it is" because the important thing is that Mama thought it was Richard's. Enter Mama and all her wack stories. She is the one with the ex that nobody can find. She is the one with the stories of burning shoes (and trying to always convince Marilyn of something or other). And Jim sitting outside with a gun. She is the one always claiming her boys were home or were they yes they were except Charles and maybe Wade oh and then Richard but Walter's shoes. WTF
So, if Sheila unscrewed the bulb on Mama's direction, who went into 28? Anyone have the Meeks boys whereabouts all in one place? What about Mama Bear's (ooops Meeks) statements? If Justin hadn't stayed that night, would Marty, Marilyn, Bo even be any where near this case? They might just be another trio of goofballs living in and around Q.
Anyone have the document of Sheila's print on the bulb? Is that out there? Because, although I'm leaning towards that may just be true, I'd really like to see some evidence. I've had my fill of neon suits and slinky dresses.
Or, am I stressing too much on this bulb? lol Hope you had a great vacation-glad you're back :-)
Anyone have the document of Sheila's print on the bulb? Is that out there? Because, although I'm leaning towards that may just be true, I'd really like to see some evidence.
The report is on Dmac's facebook. Yes I believe it is true. So now we have information that Sheila's print is on light bulb and Justin's DNA is on the tape (we've never seen any real information on that). But I feel like it could be true. And Douglas Albin's print was on the cigarettes. What the heck!
And now we have about a dozen reports saying Dana was worried that maybe he was the father of Sheila's baby. TWELVE REPORTS. I would have to believe that, with 12 people saying it. Why would it matter?
Well the new information states that Richard and Dana were best friend. So i am going to assume both had been with her. If 12 people knew this then i am sure word got back to the Mrs. Meeks. Did she really want the baby? Or was that just something she told on the documentary?. Did Dana have anything to do with the baby he already had? He already had one child and I can't imagine him wanting another one at such a young age. I can't imagine Richard wanting one. Did either boy discuss this with Johnny?
By the way, Tom was the first to question if Richard was really the baby's father on another forum.
Remember Sheila was spending the night with Alyssa, Dana's girlfriend of one week. Yet in Sheila's book this is what she had to say about that night:
Dana Wingate was my brother's best friend. I did not know Dana well, but i do remember thinking he was kinda cute and that my sister Tina was quiet smitten with him.
On April 11, 1980, I was invited for sleepover at my new friends house. Her bedroom had been in the basement which was a great place for us to enjoy some "girl talk". It seemed that my friend had a budding crush on my brother Johnny and wanted to know more about him. We discussed him and indulged in the excitement only conversations about boys can arouse until sleep over came us.
So was Alyssa really going with Dana? I think Cindy Zimmermon says that Dana told her he was going with Alyssa.
Could Sheila have possibly unscrewed the light bulb so she and Alyssa could meet the boys when they came in? Sue would not have cared but the Seabolt's probably would not have approved.
So Sheila had been with Dana, Tina had a crush on him and Alyssa was "going with" Dana but really had a "budding crush" on Johnny?
Who said Mama called and said they boys were on the way home?
Timeline A 9:00
Mrs. Meeks telephoned Sue and said Johnny and Dana would be home later. Sue was wearing a towel robe. (Richard Sharp/Crim)
8:00 - (9:00)
Sheila Sharp went home for night clothes and returned to the Seabolts 10 - 15 min. later. Sue said Johnny and Dana had gone back to town. (Sheila sharp/Bradley)
am I stressing too much on this bulb?
The light bulb is important. It somehow turned on the light on the tree that lit up the street. It appears the back light was on or turned on at some point. We also know "the doors to Sue's house were always unlocked and lights outside were always on. But not that night." Why would the light bulb be unscrewed by Sheila? Either she turned it off for someone who wanted to do harm to the family and she knew it, or she unscrewed it maybe for her and alyssa to meet some boys. Sheila didn't have to hide what she wanted to do from Sue but Alyssa did from her parents. I have always believed this crime was not planned and was started by a fight that escaladed into murder. Why turn off lights to enter and kill and leave by the back door with the light on possibly carrying Tina.
So the evidence we now have belongs to Sheila, Justin, and Doug Albin. Go figure. The police were NOT covering up anything it's all here as we are seeing.
By the way has Dmac mentioned speaking to the new sheriff?