mike23
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Post by mike23 on May 1, 2021 18:05:53 GMT -6
Maybe "haunting and frightening",like Michael Carrs' "accident"?🤔
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Post by Admin Horan on May 13, 2021 8:14:08 GMT -6
One thing I learned as a insurance investigator is, a lot of car "accidents" are suicides. IF he's dead. Which I don't think he is.
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Post by marionumber1 on Jun 26, 2022 22:11:35 GMT -6
Since they just got released on that brand-new website, I've been reading through Maury Terry's investigative notes that were sent to the Queens DA: thepeoplevsdavidberkowitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/IF-MT-Maury-Terry-Files-to-Queens-DA-Santucci.pdfIt seems like Maury was just as suspicious of Glassman as the Professor (and Mae Brussell before him, I should note) were. First, on pages 6-7, Maury is citing what a PI named Perlman told him about a cult called The Way being the perps behind Son of Sam. The membership reportedly included the Carrs but also Berkowitz's old Army buddy Billy Dan Parker in Houston who helped him get his .44 and...Craig Glassman:  Then on page 40, Maury is mentioning how Steve Trachtman (i.e. "Reeve Rockman") and Glassman both attended the University of Miami, before pointing out that Glassman apparently brought up Berkowitz as an arson/harassment suspect before he was supposed to have first been aware of that name (suggesting prior knowledge or association on Glassman's part):  |
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Post by justbecause on Jun 27, 2022 5:01:57 GMT -6
What did Mae say about Glassman?
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Post by Admin Horan on Jun 27, 2022 6:12:56 GMT -6
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Post by marionumber1 on Jun 27, 2022 8:32:40 GMT -6
What did Mae say about Glassman? I'll have to find the exact episode and spot where she said it, but she seemed to be advancing the theory that Berkowitz was MKUltra, and that his handlers were Billy Dan Parker, Jack Cassara, Sam Carr, and Craig Glassman. Obviously TUE has expanded the picture since then but I think there might still be some merit in considering those old pre-TUE insights about Berkowitz. |
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Post by marionumber1 on Jun 27, 2022 8:36:11 GMT -6
Yep, that would be the one. Earlier in the documents when summarizing what PI Perlman told him, Maury specifically writes that it is The Way International. Curiously enough, I'd come across The Way before while looking into the Johnny Gosch abduction. The Gosches hired an (in my view somewhat suspicious, as he would later deny that the Franklin scandal was real despite having gotten into a child auction while searching for Johnny) Omaha PI named Dennis Whelan who was really into rescuing and deprogramming cult members, including members of The Way. He had the Gosches believing early on (just weeks after Johnny's kidnapping) that The Way had taken him. |
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Post by maebrussellproject22 on Jun 27, 2022 9:33:52 GMT -6
Hello Everyone. Mae did a few episodes on Son of Sam. Here are two of them. There are more with mentions of him if these do not contain the information you are looking for: I have a lot of catching up to do information wise on this wonderful forum, so if I ask something that has already been answered, please let me know. |
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Post by barney on Jun 27, 2022 10:25:16 GMT -6
Serena Heart (Bloch) Dossenko
Miami Coral Park High School '67
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Post by barney on Jun 27, 2022 10:35:54 GMT -6
Yep, that would be the one. Earlier in the documents when summarizing what PI Perlman told him, Maury specifically writes that it is The Way International. Curiously enough, I'd come across The Way before while looking into the Johnny Gosch abduction. The Gosches hired an (in my view somewhat suspicious, as he would later deny that the Franklin scandal was real despite having gotten into a child auction while searching for Johnny) Omaha PI named Dennis Whelan who was really into rescuing and deprogramming cult members, including members of The Way. He had the Gosches believing early on (just weeks after Johnny's kidnapping) that The Way had taken him. You might like this. The Omaha story behind the Beat Generation which included Dennis Whelan. Mama Cass is featured as an folk singing favorite in Omaha NE myomahaobsession.com/2020/04/27/case-of-the-crooked-ear/ |
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Post by Admin Horan on Jun 27, 2022 10:39:35 GMT -6
Mae: Hell, if YOU see something that's already been answered, let US know. Barney: Wowza! Have a pumpkin sticker! mario, et al: I had no idea the Gosch's hired Whelan. Here is one of Whelan's famous cases (take a look at his partner, Robert Brandyberry, a Unification Church defector and self-styled "deprogrammer:") apnews.com/article/425bdfb2f53008c118abe929f3de8cb1I (well, the Royal We) have previously discussed A. Michael Pascal's history as Boston PD's "cult expert" and the PI who kidnapped Manson broad Crazy Patty from Nubian Farms in Missouri and dragged her back to Pittsburgh for deprogramming. And that was back in 1970. Pascal specialized in that for a couple years in the early 70s. I suspect he was the one who brought Roslyn Falco home from wherever she supposedly ran off to. Was it Nubian Farms? Did Pascal kidnap two birds with one stone? HE HAD TO KNOW WHELAN SOONER OR LATER. Wy not the early 70s? The Way's (well, that whole 1957 Reformed Church of Christ Blah Bah Blah) Seminary is in Moberly, MO. Someday... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Christian_College_of_the_Bible |
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Post by Admin Horan on Jun 27, 2022 11:13:54 GMT -6
myomahaobsession.com/2020/04/27/case-of-the-crooked-ear/At least 24 more, and that had to include Pascal: "Known as “rescue teams,” Whelan was one of about 25 operatives (or deprogrammers) working in the US who helped parents who wanted to separate their children from cultists. “We catch the subjects by surprise, put them in a van or car, and that’s all there is to it. The ‘deprogramming’ session that follows, usually in a hotel room, is done by a ‘trained professional’ who is skilled in techniques to overcome ‘brainwashing,’” Whelan said. For nine months, Whelan investigated the 1982 disappearance of Des Moines newspaper carrier Johnny Gosch. Check out Who Took Johnny? if you don’t know the story. His more famous cases included the years-long search for the body of 19-year-old Omahan Mary Kay Harmer, who was lured from her apartment by two Hells Angels members, the death of Omaha real estate agent Ronald Abboud and the Michael Ryan-led cult slayings in the Rulo, Neb. Denny Whelan had become an expert, having taken part in 100 rescues around the nation as well as giving talks on troubled youths, cults and other issues." "Whelan’s agency would transition in the 1990s to investigating cases in which convicted felons maintained their innocence on murder charges; in the 2000s his Free the Innocent nonprofit organization of volunteers would research cases of those they deemed wrongly imprisoned." The fuck? ? Was he in on West Memphis Three?
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Post by Morgana on Jun 27, 2022 12:02:11 GMT -6
I've learned recently the Innocence Project smells
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Post by marionumber1 on Jun 27, 2022 12:26:30 GMT -6
Wow, that's insane that Whelan's coffee shop in Omaha (the Crooked Ear) was hosting major counterculture figures! It seems like virtually every individual who shows up in a case like Johnny Gosch's has some kind of interesting background. A few years back, I talked to an Omaha radio host who knew Whelan, and they gave me a bit more backstory on him. Whelan apparently ran another venue in Kansas City that was a strip club, which definitely had the specter of organized crime connections. Sometime around the late 50s or early 60s, FBI agents showed up at his door with a warrant for his arrest. He made a phone call to his defense attorney, who managed to get a federal judge to call Whelan's house, speak to the FBI agents there, and tell them to leave. This reportedly spooked Whelan enough to get sober and leave the club business. |
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Post by marionumber1 on Jun 27, 2022 12:33:15 GMT -6
myomahaobsession.com/2020/04/27/case-of-the-crooked-ear/At least 24 more, and that had to include Pascal: "Known as “rescue teams,” Whelan was one of about 25 operatives (or deprogrammers) working in the US who helped parents who wanted to separate their children from cultists. “We catch the subjects by surprise, put them in a van or car, and that’s all there is to it. The ‘deprogramming’ session that follows, usually in a hotel room, is done by a ‘trained professional’ who is skilled in techniques to overcome ‘brainwashing,’” Whelan said. For nine months, Whelan investigated the 1982 disappearance of Des Moines newspaper carrier Johnny Gosch. Check out Who Took Johnny? if you don’t know the story. His more famous cases included the years-long search for the body of 19-year-old Omahan Mary Kay Harmer, who was lured from her apartment by two Hells Angels members, the death of Omaha real estate agent Ronald Abboud and the Michael Ryan-led cult slayings in the Rulo, Neb. Denny Whelan had become an expert, having taken part in 100 rescues around the nation as well as giving talks on troubled youths, cults and other issues." "Whelan’s agency would transition in the 1990s to investigating cases in which convicted felons maintained their innocence on murder charges; in the 2000s his Free the Innocent nonprofit organization of volunteers would research cases of those they deemed wrongly imprisoned." The fuck?? Was he in on West Memphis Three? Whelan definitely has some bizarre views on major cases. I was told by the same Omaha radio host who I cited above that Whelan believed the Franklin scandal was a hoax. This in spite of the fact that, early into investigating Johnny Gosch's abduction, he managed to get into a child auction in Houston, proving fairly decisively that those kinds of domestic child trafficking rings did exist. (And what kinds of connections, I must ask, would one have to have to be able to get into a child auction as a buyer in the first place?!) I was also told that Whelan ended up having a falling-out with Johnny's mother Noreen and came to believe a much different theory about his kidnapping than the child trafficking angle. His son Lawrence Whelan became an attorney, and was defending Sarpy County NE (near Omaha, and where Offutt Air Force Base is located) bus driver Jay Bruna on child molestation charges. Bruna seems pretty clearly guilty to me, but I know a group of PIs in Omaha — that happened to be the former employers of Roy Stephens, a PI on the Franklin case — have been dead-set on proving his innocence. |
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