Post by jmo on Sept 24, 2019 22:01:00 GMT -6
**These are some notes taken from the Way Back. Bits and pieces are conversations people had with other people. Some bits and pieces are simply notes.
Spencer writes pretty good for being Marty's brother.
Did Spencer say he was with Marty when he died?
Spencer blames the Meeks boys. Richard and Wade. Says Dave Keller and Jesse Wolf know it, too.
Says DK pm'd him with that info.
Sheila and Richard for her having to give up the baby and Wade because he got Tina pregnant.
A lot of what is written is bickering. I scanned that. Sure would have liked to have been a fly on the wall reading it in real time, though!
Looking for little nuggets along the way. :-)
*Wish there were more pages saved.
Richard is the one that beat up Craig. (Even though there were probably others.)
Do you think Dmac is gay? He sure calls people homophobes, even when they aren't talking about anything sexual.
Love to place him with some of these people, too, but I'm not sure he's done anything but visit Keddie.
Do you think he knew Craig? Craig's into bikes and it wouldn't surprise me if Dmac was, at one time, too. BMX, not Harleys. lol
I can connect Dmac to Oregon and California--just not northern Cali.
Well, regardless. He doesn't have any more information than anyone else that I can see.
I DO believe Craig gave them a ride (home) that night. His little tan car was mentioned as being seen.
It's not uncommon to give friends a ride home and drop them aways away. Not bring them right to their front door.
If I remember correctly, someone said the tan car stopped down a ways from 28, a couple minutes went by, it sounded like someone got out, and then the car turned. I think it was Karl the Lurker.
Valley Flyer: Ask Ask Marilyn about that Crandall guy. Got into an argument with Robert in the afternoon, then committed suicide that night. Yeah, sure.
And what famous serial catted around Plumas County off and on from 1979 to about 1987?? And who probably knows every single person from the area who has been mentioned on this board?? And who has confessed to this, 15 years and a hell of a lot of needles in his arms later??
Would Chuck Walke Know Robert Silva.? Robert was in Quincy according to VF...in jail according to Craig.
*Robert Silveria (Boxcar killer aka Sidetrack)
*What if Silveria was the one to just get out of jail??
Valley Flyer: I was jawing with a buddy last night and when I told him what had gone down here, he leaned back in the seat of his black and white and gave me a real squint. I'm sure if we hadn't known each other for 22 years now, he would have put his side light on me to check my pupils. **Friends with a cop?? *Would have been May 27, 2008
Odd. There's a person "Alex" that writes and then "Guest" responds and they both sound like Dmac. *Alex says he lives in Bethlehem, PA.
Did Dmac ever get on these boards? He sounds like Dmac but only back when he was "nicer".
Guest: so skin that smokewagon and see what happens
Alex: Get me some meat and tators.
Too weird that they answer each other just like D would do. Says he is a non-professional investigator with access to professional PI's
Alex: First, as a policy, the Feather River Bulletin does cover suicides. At least that was the case during the eight years I was editor there.
Well, it turns out that McNarie just made up new names. Many of them are vulgar. He can't change his writing style, though.
Pretty sure he's bipolar.
Alex: May 26, 2008:
Xlax wrote:
Hey! I called Tony D's back in Philly. The bartender never heard of this Alex guy. The guy's a farce I tell ya! Yeah a hoax!
Well I'm from Bethlehem,PA. I played in the Philly area, but I never heard of that place, so why should they have heard of me? Musicians are a dime a dozen around here.
And do you honestly think I'm using my real full name on an internet message board? HA.
Alex: may 24, 2008 I don't rest when I'm investigating(as anyone here since last night can tell), and as I mentioned in a previous thread I have access to folks who can dig REAL deep.
Alex May 26 2008 Craig I'd like to hear your story from beginning to end . You can respond here:
www.phpbbcity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=542&mforum=cabin28
Thanx. And I won't act like these other clowns, you got my word. I just need to hear it all fresh and in one complete post.
VF: Would you like to talk about Rafe? Think about that. *Rafe??
Sharp
[Glenna Susan Davis]
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 29 Mar 1945
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Death Date: 12 Apr 1981
Death Place: Plumas
Mother's Maiden Name: Perreault *Not sure if I knew this?
FATHER'S SURNAME: Davis
*Just because a pellot gun was the only gun proven was there, it doesn't mean there weren't other guns.
VF: If what happened was "plan A," then it is more likely that one of the perps was armed
Found the brothers, they kno. ~~Interesting title. No info.
Pertaining to "David"
Richard's mother: to david....craigs "wounds' as you put it......happened several months after the murders, when he got beat up.......he was not a close friend of my family......he didn't hang around with sues or my family, never.....he was a friend of my daughter and her husband....never at my house......(May 4, 2006)
Richard's mother: and david...what is this "how someone can have their best fiernds family murdered..the shame..and creigs wounds.....(May5, 2006)
BlueSkeyes: I think David has found it to be quite an outlet for himself. (May 5 2006)
Craig:
House of Dogs
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: GO TO HELL DAVID....KISS MY a**e Reply with quote
heya guys
this is craig
im been trying not to get into david shioot
and yeah david just stop damn it as you done
enough damage as it is and your just making
it worse by opening your mouth where you dont
know what your talking about..UNLESS YOU WERE THERE
OR THERE AT QUINCY AT THE TIME THEN YOU REALLY
SHOULD NOT BE ACUSSING PEOPLE OF SHIOT DAVID.!
What other DAVID is there?? I don't (so far) see any other posts by a David so he must have deleted them? McNarie has deleted everything he can find under his various names and handles. Are they talking about McNarie??
Dave Keller?
Several news sources use the name "John Boubede," though Robert Scott claims in his book Masters of True Crime: Chilling Stories of Murder and the Macabre (2012) that this was the result of a reporting error, and that his name was in fact John Boudee, and that he went by the nickname "Bo."
**Are there any documents (other than Keddie) that have his name? **Proof of name?
JesseW:
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Marylin,
Im so glad you brought this up, I have been batteling with myself that maby, just maby because of how you were treated back then that you might automaticaly suspect Marty of doign this because of how he treated you. Im not saying he did not do this or the evidance dose not point toward him but we have to look form every direction here. Im woundering if you have ever discussed the missing suits with law enfiorcment? did you ever bring this fact to there attention? The only problem i have with the marty and Bo theory is motive. I can understand if a rape was in progress and the boys came in and interfered, or if Marty just snapped because Johenny and Dana said or did somthing to them on the way back from the bar that night but Im still having trouble wit hte fact that these people were tied up....Tied up I meant that alone takes some time then cut and hit with a hammer? what motavates someone to do somthing like this then kidnapp Tina? in the back of my mind Tina has always bee the target because she is the one they took away, what was it about Tina that they could not leave her behind with the rest of the people. did she posess some sort of physical evidance that would leadt law right to the them? The fact the Justin was untouched dose make Marty look all the more gilty though to me. But if he could do this to 4 others you think he could do it to Justin also. Maby we are looking at the wrong people........
Mama Meeks: April 15, 2008 at the crime scene, dana was in the kitchen. it looked like he was trying to get out the back door. and yes he was hit with a hammer, probably several times. jonny was also beaten, more so than dana. sue was beaten beyond recognition. at first they thought it was tina, but they found out out it was sue, by her dental plates **DENTAL PLATES
Not Sure: Do you think it's possible Dana told Sue something (and John as well) that may have been mortally damaging to someone else's reputation? Is it possible what he saw would have ruined someone's livelihood or home life? ** Good question
VF April 16 2008 Someone said something on another crime group a while back that could have put me and possibly three other people in danger. As it ended up, someone may have blinked, bad move.
Check the historical record, who is about the first person here who was pointing at Tina? Waaay back when it wasn't even popular.
Who said that because you don't see much about a certain subject in this board that there aren't people talking about it?? Hey, Cary was supposedly at a party at Cabin 8 or 9 that night.
Does McNarie speak German? Ever traveled to Germany?
kobyashi: May 26, 2008 The reason so many flooded this board in May is because someone edited the Wikipedia page for The Strangers to include the Keddie murders around May 15. The first edit mentioned all three victims names and that the Keddie Resort was a hotspot for movie stars and actors. The second and third edits from this same person added the cabin28 link and a few more details of the crime.
*Alex pops on to defend "why" it's on there.
JOSH May 25 2008: Hi everyone,
The traffic on this website for the past week has been entertaining, sad, frustrating, and enlightening all at the same time. As I said in an earlier post, despite the name-calling and threats, this can only have positive results in the end. Let's hope, anyway.
For a lot of the new visitors, my name is Josh Hancock. I teach college English and I'm a writer. About four years ago, I decided to shoot a small film about the Keddie Murders. I shared the same surprise that new members of this board have--there was virtually nothing about the case. A few articles online and that was about it.
I immediately contacted a few of the Sharp family members. They were receptive to the idea of the film. Within a few weeks, I had met several of them; they were supportive, kind, informative, funny. Good people who had suffered a great deal. A short time after that, filming began. No big show. Me and some close friends. Our objective was to tell the story and leave it at that.
The Sharps and the Wingates allowed us into their lives. We conducted countless interviews with nearly all of the key family members. They put up with a lot, but they never complained. We filmed tours of the cabin; we interviewed ex-cops and FBI agents; Tina's teachers; we flew to Arizona, Seattle, and Oregon to interview people about the case. We interviewed newspaper reporters, the man who found Tina's remains, the man who identified Tina's remains, and the DA at the time of the murders. We aquired photographs, crime scene footage, obituaries and autopsy reports.
The complaints on the board that the film is one-sided--that it focuses on only two suspects--are warranted. It was not what we initially set out to do. But you have to understand the mood back then. No one was talking about this crime. And certainly no one wanted to talk about it on camera. Those who would talk, including retired PCSO, referred to the same two suspects over and over again--to the point where we decided to go for it. The film is one-sided because that was all there was--at the time. You might not believe it, but we spent nearly three years shooting the video. And that was all there was.
The mood has shifted now. So many more people know about this case. So many more people have offered up new and interesting theories. And even more theories now, because of this distant connection to a horror film coming out next week. There's a box in my basement filled with over 200 hours of unused footage, notes, and other documentation related to this case. I have thought time and time again to put it all up on a site somewhere. Not really sure what to do with it anymore.
As for the possibility of a DVD of the film--I can tell you they're being made as we speak. That doesn't really mean much, but they are being made.
No, I don't believe Marty or Bo killed Sue, Dana, Johnny, and Tina. Not anymore. That's not why people can't get a hold of the film, though. It's simply because I stopped selling it. We sold around forty to fifty copies. I'm not sure why those forty or fifty people out there aren't making you copies and sending them to you.
In the end, the two most important things that happened because of the documentary: Tina Sharp had a proper funeral and headstone, and distant relatives of the Sharp family were reunited after many, many years. I am really proud of those two things.
For the new visitors who think this is a hoax to promote some other movie, all I can tell you is, you're wrong. This post probably won't change your mind, but you never know.
-Josh
Right behind this: Alex : Thanx Josh , I'd like to know all I can. First thing I'm going to do is get my hands on any and all police investigation records and evidence records.
Can you tell me the names of people I want to talk to? PM them if you don't want them in public, but I only see fIrst names for the most part , and don't know much about this other than what's here, and some of it's pretty vague.
Thanx.
nuda tsutla: language?
Murder changes people. Murderers change. Who changed?
Mr. Grimm 1976: May 26 2008 Cops, FBI and others couldn't solve the crime, so it taints their reputation? Perhaps even a cop committed the crime, mad at young people without adult supervision.
House of dogs May 27 2008 : Everyone comments on the brutality of the crime and points to rage and passion... what if the "brutality" was staged? That might explain why the neighbors say they heard nothing.
Kline May 25, 2008 : Hey Craig did you used to go score with Kenyon and Nancy Clutter too?
Craig May 26 2008 : i said Stoney and his Brother was the one who beat me up
alsaca3 May 3 2007 Tina's family was snuffed because she was pregnant? Who was she? The governer's daughter?? I have said this before and I say this again!! NONE OF YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT IF I DIDN'T INVITE JOSH HANCOCK INTO OUR LIVES TO HELP WITH SOME DAMN CLOSURE. WHAT THE HELL WOULD YOU GUYS BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IF MY AUNT, COUSINS AND DANA WEREN'T KILLED 26 YEARS AGO.
Sassy: May 4, 2007 Tina could have been the target just like anyone of the other 3 victims. I will assure you that Tina could not have been pregnant.
Spencer Oct 11 2006 : s it turns out Marty was not the perpetrator of these crimes, but was in fact the target! It seems that Marty had came across the perpetrators car loaded down with marijuana, saw an opportunity to make a score, stole the car and the pot and booked!
As a result of their loss, the perpetrators seeking revenge, broke into the wrong cabin thinking that they had came upon Marty's family and killed these innocent people in retaliation for Marty ripping them off.
One can assume that this is the same story that Marty told the police and that is one of the reasons why he was cleared of these murders. The age-old case of “Someone being at the wrong place at the wrong time.”
In respect to the child that was kidnapped and thus murdered, that looks like a “crime of opportunity” whereas to commit an additional sex crime after the murders wouldn’t matter.
This is a story that we as a family can honestly believe that Marty could have been involved with. We are all sure that had he come across a car loaded with dope he would have taken the opportunity to try and make that kind of score as that was the nature of Marty. But to kill three innocent children and the mother, that was way out of Marty's realm.
What was the reason Marty took off? That is a simple question to answer knowing Marty. Since he knew he was a hunted man for ripping off the perpetrators and he had a getaway car with their dope in it, he might as well get out of town while he could.
The perpetrators on the other hand had ever reason in the world to point the finger at Marty and Bo and that is exactly what is going on now! The police have known for 25 years where Marty lived and if they had evidence that could have been used to convict Marty, why have they let these murders go unsolved for so long?
Marty is portrayed at the Drunk Uncle. And, maybe he was.
Stormy Oct 12 2007: The killer(s) spent quite a while with their victims. Some speculate that the killer(s) were try to beat information out of the victims. You think they would have been able to tell that they were in the wrong house as soon as they started talking to the victims. Maybe someone was trying to frame John and Dana for the drug ripoff and started spreading rumors about them.
Maybe Craig's yellow house was where the stolen marijuana was stashed. If John and Dana stole some drugs from the yellow house; then that is where the Marty/Bo connection comes into play. **Craig's yellow house
Word of who did the smaller ripoff may have been confused with the bigger ripoff that Marty had done prior. Maybe one of John and Dana's "friends", with a big mouth, might have accidently told the wrong person about the ripoff they did. Then word got back to the original drug owners and they went looking for John and Dana.
Craig Oct 12 2006: i have always said JOHN JOHN,
DANA AND MYSELF DRIVING MY " TAN TOYOTA CORONA
HATCHBACK STATION WAGON" did in fact ripped
off the yellow house and IT DID HAPPEN.
the question i have is when did marty rip off these
people as i know we ripped off the yellow house on
april 6th as it was 5 days before the murder
or should i say john john and dana ripped off the
yellow house with me driving not knowing what they
were up to til they got back in the car...i thought i
was doing a favor in driving them to east quincy.
keller you have no excuse
as your a plumas resident and have been for a long time
I DID DROP THEM OFF that night in a gravel
area and not right across from the turnout but near there and to
answer your question..letting them out at the turnout would be
dangerous as there is not much room if a car came barrelling off
the 70 and tried going down the driveway to keddie with me parked
there so it was safer for them and myself to park in the gravel area
and they could cross the 70 and go down the driveway at their own
leasure and when it was safe..also it let me able to have the car
pointed in the right direction going back towards the apartments.
Marilyn Oct 12 2006: I don't believe Marty stole a car with pot in it. I can buy into the idea that he stole the pot, but not the car too.
Craig Oct 13 2006: i went
and picked them up at ganser park and drove
them out to keddie and drop them off across the hwy
from the keddie turnout..gravel area
and drove back to the apartments.
If that's Dmac talking to Craig on this site, he sure tries to discredit him.
Craig Nov 21 2006: this is why i laid low and for good reasons..i did not
know that the drug ripoff happen until they got back in the
car so yeah i was scared pretty bad as after hearing who
was ripped off and i dont know if i yelled at john john and dana
or what knowing how i would react or over react on things back
then ....i would of been a tad upset and scared of things.
It WAS Easter vacation.
Blue Skeyes: Oct 13 2006: The cabins were close to each other. I have a hard time believing the murderers/drug dealers would kill so many people in cabin 28 merely because the car was parked there.
How about this...
Let's just say that John and Dana did steal drugs from the yellow house in Quincy. And somehow the drug car was also connected in some way to the yellow house. The drug car people found out about the small theft from the yellow house and assumed that the bigger car drug theft was done by the same kids.
If that's the situation then whoever owned the drugs in the car that Marty stole would most likely be the murderers in this case.
KRR (David) Oct 13 2006 :
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
craig wrote:
I AM SO WONDERING HOW THE HELL I SURVIVED UP THERE IF
I WAS WITH SNAKES AND DID NOT EVEN KNOW IT AT THE TIME
AND THAT IS IF SPENCER STORY CHECKS OUT.
.
But ,you where bragging about moving back up their , dose your story check out ?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
i was planning on going and
moving up there david
your so right about that
and look what i found out since i
said that and the fallout with so called friends
and the threats i got from people up there.
i changed my mind david and i dont know why
i even wanted to move up there as there are some snakes
for sure up there and that is the best definition i can find
as what if spencer is telling the truth. thats very scary
for me and you never lived there david nor know very
many people from up there so i guess you can not even
fathom why i changed my mind about moving up there.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: Reply with quote
craig wrote:
this is what i told bluey
i think it is all connected
somehow ??
so marty ripped off this car/car full
of drugs or someone did and when we ripped
them off april 6th, 1981 from the yellow house,
they thought we did the earlier larger ripofff too.
i said there was some connection between the two ripoffs
THIS ALL FITS PRETTY NICELY IN WHAT I HAVE SAID, GYPSIE
AKA MARLYN AND OTHERS HAVE SAID THEY KNOW AND IM
STARTING TO WONDER WHAT SPENCER SAID MIGHT BE TRUE
IN SOME WAYS. I AM NOT ACCUSING THE MEEKS OF ANYTHING
BUT WOULD IT BE SO SAD THAT THE ONE SHELIA WAS WITH
MURDERED HER FAMILY.
I AM SO WONDERING HOW THE HELL I SURVIVED UP THERE IF
I WAS WITH SNAKES AND DID NOT EVEN KNOW IT AT THE TIME
AND THAT IS IF SPENCER STORY CHECKS OUT.
IF IT WAS NOT MARTY AND BO AND DEE, IT HAD TO BE SOMEONE
WHO KNEW THE AREA, KNEW KEDDIE AND PROBABLY KNEW THE
SHARPS AS SUE WOULD NOT LET SOME STRANGER IN THE CABIN
AND THAT NARROWS IT DOWN A BIT..DOESNT IT? IF MARTY AND BO
DID STEAL THAT CAR FULL OF DRUGS AND IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE
WHO CAME AFTER US THINKING WE DID BOTH RIPOFFS..(JOHN JOHN,
DANA AND MYSELF) THEN WHO WERE THE MAIN DRUG DEALERS IN
THAT AREA BESIDES MARTY WITH HIS CAR LOAD OF DRUGS TO
SELL OR DO THE DRUGS THEMSELVES.
this new wrinkle by spencer and bluey's new theory brings new ideas
and concepts to this all and ill be interested to know if any of this
actually pans out and is true.
Craig:
You continue to cause harm.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: Reply with quote
i never threaten anyone david and that is not true
i dont know why richard and some of the other meeks
hate me and threaten me at times..i think it is more than
driving crazy and being reckless at the time and this what
spencer told us IF IT IS TRUE would explain why this is
going on to a point. i would be the last direct linkt IF WHAT
SPENCER SAID IS TRUE if the meeks were involved more
than they said there were. i am NOT AGAIN ACCUSSING
the meeks of anything but stating their attitude towards me
would be explained alot more if WHAT SPENCER SAID IS TRUE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS RR. DAVID..WHAT SPENCER
SAID AND BLUEY'S THEORY?
KELLER I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW I AM HURTING THINGS
AND WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT WHAT SPENCER SAID ABOUT THE
MEEKS AND BLUEY'S THEORY. IT IS OBVIOUS YOU HAVE A COMMENT
AND IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE NOT DISCLOSING ABOUT THE THREE PEOPLE AND THIS WHOLE MEEKS DRUG DEALING THEORY?
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"Alex" keeps begging and begging for information for his investigation.
Craig May 28, 2008: ALEX
I CAN TELL YOU I WAS UP THERE
KNEW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED
I WAS GOING TO FRC AS A STUDENT..
FEATHER RIVER COLLEGE AND LIVED IN
FEATHER RIVER APARTMENTS WITH A GUY FROM
EL SOBRANTE NAMED MICHAEL IN AN APARTMENT,
MICHAEL WAS ALSO GOING TO FRC AT THE TIME...
LATER MOVED TO COTTAGE BEHIND THE COURTHOUSE
IN THE SUMMER OF 1981.
I CAN ALSO TELL YOU I HAD AN ALCOHOL PROBLEM
AND WAS PARTYING A LOT UP THERE AND WENT TO PARTIES
AT BOTH MT HOUGH AND OAKLAND CAMP! I ALSO RODE BMX
BIKES AND KNEW A LOT OF THE LOCALS BECAUSE OF THAT..
INCLUDING STONEY, MONTE MANNIES, PERSON BROTHERS
ETC....
I ALSO DID NOT ASSAULT STONEY'S SISTER AND DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THE FOOK SHE IS TO THIS DAY AND I SURELY DID NOT ASSAULT HER OR SAY WORDS AT HER AND I AM NOT A MARTY SMART!!..SORRY SPENCER BUT MARTY WAS AN a*sho*e, PERVERT AND DISRESPECTFUL OF LADIES ....WHICH BY NO MEANS WOULD I EVER BE THAT WAY.
Craig continues to be sweet talked and threatened by people (who seem to be the same person).
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Byrum is gonna bayum you, Craig, if you keep this up. Got it?
What a minipulative SOB. He signs in as an ass. Then comments as someone else that calls him an ass. And, people pick one side or the other and he says, "Well, you're just going to have to trust me." Some people buy into it, some don't. But, "Alex" gets what "Alex" wants. Even got Spence onn his side. Hindsight really is 20/20.
He came in with his 13 different personalities. That takes some perseverance. Kudos. Well played, "Alex". Well played. :-)
Alex May 26 2008: Goon Jones you have me mistaken for someone who gives a crap about the childish antics here. They can either play by the rules of the investigative process or they can choose not to play by those rules. That is up to them
**The manipulation started by "someone" posting they "didn't believe this crime happened" and people jumping on that bandwagon to prove it did.
Yanking a chain. Waiting for a response. And, he got it. It's like oatmeal to him. It fills his belly.
How sad. He baited peope by saying, "This crime never happened! Prove it!" Baited people. Made Craig defend himself. Made Spencer try and defend his asswipe brother. Pitted family against family. And, all the while, he sat back with his bourbon. So. Many. People. Played.
THE TAKE OVER HAS BEGUN!!!
*Enter a whole bunch of "Please Josh! I'll do whatever it takes." I can't decide whether to smile or nod.
William Conrad: Yeah see, and I will be needing the where abouts of everyone on this board over the age of 30, on the night of 4/11/81
I will be needing every bit of info that each of you have about this case.
I need to know if anyone here has any info that has previously not been released.
I need crime scene photos and all the evidence.
I am here working for those responsible for this crime and they wanna know who they need to silence and what type of evidence there may or may not be so they can explain it all.
And I expect it all A.S.A.P. or everyone will be subjected to my wrath!
I just read my "Investigative Techniques" handbook I received for Christmas and I am ready and willing to show the coppers how it`s done!
See just how goofy you really appear Alex T. Dic ?
*I owe this man a beer. Or, two. Or three.
"Someone" changed dates on Ancestery.com to fit his theory.
At what point did he become blood brothers with Mike Gamberg?
*What year was that?
I'm becoming quite okay with the craziness of Craig and Valley Flyer. At least they're trying to get to the truth.
Dmac's done more harm than good.
Dmac oops Alex is the first to bring up the Kiddie porn on this site.
The whole van angle might fit into a J.L. scenario as well, what better way to haul someone off, and vans are favorites w/ the abductor types. He and a one or a few of his "kiddie porn" collectors may have went in w/ the intentions of taking Tina and it all got ugly, especially if he were still heated from his arguement w/ Sue. He does fit the overall description I posted of the man.
Not saying this isn't a scenerio. But, FFS "Alex" sure clung to that one and opened a huuugggee door for others to barge through.
The Van. Yeah. "FREE CANDY". We get it. But, not everyone that drives a van is a pediphile.
Sometimes they're pretty sketchy, though.
James Sharp: He was a career Navy man. I believe they seperated while he was stationed at Bremerton. As I just said, someone way back mentioned that he may have been at the Philly Navy Yard when it happened. **Philly
AGES:
The Players
Glenna Sharp age 36
John Sharp age 15
Dana Wingate age 17
Tina Sharp age 13
Shelia Sharp age 14
Richard Meeks age 15
Dale Meeks, age 17
Craig Walters, age 17
Martin Smartt, age 32
Marylyn Smartt, age unk
John Boubee, Age unk
Justin (Marylyn Smartt’s son age unk)
Mrs. Meeks, (Mother of Richard and Dale Meeks)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
"FILM WRITER ARE YOU ACTUALLY SAYING THE MEEKS HAD
SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE MURDERS AND RICHARD USED
HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH STONEY AND DARRELL TO HAVE THEM
COME AFTER ME WHO TO THIS DAY RICHARD PROTECTS
AND DEFENDS BOTH STONEY AND DARRELL EVEN IF THEIR
NAMES ARE MENTIONED BRIEFLY. "
Craig are you saying that it was Stoney and Darrell who beat you up and not Richard?
Craig dec 22 2006: THE YELLOW HOUSE IS A FACTOR BECAUSE OF BOTH RICHARD
AND MYSELF SAYING DRUGS WERE RIPPED OFF THERE AND
ALSO THAT THE RIPOFF I DESCRIBE AND HAPPENED WAS WITH
JOHN JOHN AND DANA WHO WERE MURDERED 5 DAYS LATER...
APRIL 6TH WAS IST RIPOFF OF YELLOW HOUSE AND THE MURDERS
HAPPEN ON APRIL 11TH.
Carl Frick: Dec 22 2006 Except there was no party at Oakland Camp. This is simply not true. The party was on Lee Road near the mill.
Spencer writes pretty good for being Marty's brother.
Did Spencer say he was with Marty when he died?
Spencer blames the Meeks boys. Richard and Wade. Says Dave Keller and Jesse Wolf know it, too.
Says DK pm'd him with that info.
Sheila and Richard for her having to give up the baby and Wade because he got Tina pregnant.
A lot of what is written is bickering. I scanned that. Sure would have liked to have been a fly on the wall reading it in real time, though!
Looking for little nuggets along the way. :-)
*Wish there were more pages saved.
Richard is the one that beat up Craig. (Even though there were probably others.)
Do you think Dmac is gay? He sure calls people homophobes, even when they aren't talking about anything sexual.
Love to place him with some of these people, too, but I'm not sure he's done anything but visit Keddie.
Do you think he knew Craig? Craig's into bikes and it wouldn't surprise me if Dmac was, at one time, too. BMX, not Harleys. lol
I can connect Dmac to Oregon and California--just not northern Cali.
Well, regardless. He doesn't have any more information than anyone else that I can see.
I DO believe Craig gave them a ride (home) that night. His little tan car was mentioned as being seen.
It's not uncommon to give friends a ride home and drop them aways away. Not bring them right to their front door.
If I remember correctly, someone said the tan car stopped down a ways from 28, a couple minutes went by, it sounded like someone got out, and then the car turned. I think it was Karl the Lurker.
Valley Flyer: Ask Ask Marilyn about that Crandall guy. Got into an argument with Robert in the afternoon, then committed suicide that night. Yeah, sure.
And what famous serial catted around Plumas County off and on from 1979 to about 1987?? And who probably knows every single person from the area who has been mentioned on this board?? And who has confessed to this, 15 years and a hell of a lot of needles in his arms later??
Would Chuck Walke Know Robert Silva.? Robert was in Quincy according to VF...in jail according to Craig.
*Robert Silveria (Boxcar killer aka Sidetrack)
*What if Silveria was the one to just get out of jail??
Valley Flyer: I was jawing with a buddy last night and when I told him what had gone down here, he leaned back in the seat of his black and white and gave me a real squint. I'm sure if we hadn't known each other for 22 years now, he would have put his side light on me to check my pupils. **Friends with a cop?? *Would have been May 27, 2008
Odd. There's a person "Alex" that writes and then "Guest" responds and they both sound like Dmac. *Alex says he lives in Bethlehem, PA.
Did Dmac ever get on these boards? He sounds like Dmac but only back when he was "nicer".
Guest: so skin that smokewagon and see what happens
Alex: Get me some meat and tators.
Too weird that they answer each other just like D would do. Says he is a non-professional investigator with access to professional PI's
Alex: First, as a policy, the Feather River Bulletin does cover suicides. At least that was the case during the eight years I was editor there.
Well, it turns out that McNarie just made up new names. Many of them are vulgar. He can't change his writing style, though.
Pretty sure he's bipolar.
Alex: May 26, 2008:
Xlax wrote:
Hey! I called Tony D's back in Philly. The bartender never heard of this Alex guy. The guy's a farce I tell ya! Yeah a hoax!
Well I'm from Bethlehem,PA. I played in the Philly area, but I never heard of that place, so why should they have heard of me? Musicians are a dime a dozen around here.
And do you honestly think I'm using my real full name on an internet message board? HA.
Alex: may 24, 2008 I don't rest when I'm investigating(as anyone here since last night can tell), and as I mentioned in a previous thread I have access to folks who can dig REAL deep.
Alex May 26 2008 Craig I'd like to hear your story from beginning to end . You can respond here:
www.phpbbcity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=542&mforum=cabin28
Thanx. And I won't act like these other clowns, you got my word. I just need to hear it all fresh and in one complete post.
VF: Would you like to talk about Rafe? Think about that. *Rafe??
Sharp
[Glenna Susan Davis]
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 29 Mar 1945
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Death Date: 12 Apr 1981
Death Place: Plumas
Mother's Maiden Name: Perreault *Not sure if I knew this?
FATHER'S SURNAME: Davis
*Just because a pellot gun was the only gun proven was there, it doesn't mean there weren't other guns.
VF: If what happened was "plan A," then it is more likely that one of the perps was armed
Found the brothers, they kno. ~~Interesting title. No info.
Pertaining to "David"
Richard's mother: to david....craigs "wounds' as you put it......happened several months after the murders, when he got beat up.......he was not a close friend of my family......he didn't hang around with sues or my family, never.....he was a friend of my daughter and her husband....never at my house......(May 4, 2006)
Richard's mother: and david...what is this "how someone can have their best fiernds family murdered..the shame..and creigs wounds.....(May5, 2006)
BlueSkeyes: I think David has found it to be quite an outlet for himself. (May 5 2006)
Craig:
House of Dogs
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: GO TO HELL DAVID....KISS MY a**e Reply with quote
heya guys
this is craig
im been trying not to get into david shioot
and yeah david just stop damn it as you done
enough damage as it is and your just making
it worse by opening your mouth where you dont
know what your talking about..UNLESS YOU WERE THERE
OR THERE AT QUINCY AT THE TIME THEN YOU REALLY
SHOULD NOT BE ACUSSING PEOPLE OF SHIOT DAVID.!
What other DAVID is there?? I don't (so far) see any other posts by a David so he must have deleted them? McNarie has deleted everything he can find under his various names and handles. Are they talking about McNarie??
Dave Keller?
Several news sources use the name "John Boubede," though Robert Scott claims in his book Masters of True Crime: Chilling Stories of Murder and the Macabre (2012) that this was the result of a reporting error, and that his name was in fact John Boudee, and that he went by the nickname "Bo."
**Are there any documents (other than Keddie) that have his name? **Proof of name?
JesseW:
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Marylin,
Im so glad you brought this up, I have been batteling with myself that maby, just maby because of how you were treated back then that you might automaticaly suspect Marty of doign this because of how he treated you. Im not saying he did not do this or the evidance dose not point toward him but we have to look form every direction here. Im woundering if you have ever discussed the missing suits with law enfiorcment? did you ever bring this fact to there attention? The only problem i have with the marty and Bo theory is motive. I can understand if a rape was in progress and the boys came in and interfered, or if Marty just snapped because Johenny and Dana said or did somthing to them on the way back from the bar that night but Im still having trouble wit hte fact that these people were tied up....Tied up I meant that alone takes some time then cut and hit with a hammer? what motavates someone to do somthing like this then kidnapp Tina? in the back of my mind Tina has always bee the target because she is the one they took away, what was it about Tina that they could not leave her behind with the rest of the people. did she posess some sort of physical evidance that would leadt law right to the them? The fact the Justin was untouched dose make Marty look all the more gilty though to me. But if he could do this to 4 others you think he could do it to Justin also. Maby we are looking at the wrong people........
Mama Meeks: April 15, 2008 at the crime scene, dana was in the kitchen. it looked like he was trying to get out the back door. and yes he was hit with a hammer, probably several times. jonny was also beaten, more so than dana. sue was beaten beyond recognition. at first they thought it was tina, but they found out out it was sue, by her dental plates **DENTAL PLATES
Not Sure: Do you think it's possible Dana told Sue something (and John as well) that may have been mortally damaging to someone else's reputation? Is it possible what he saw would have ruined someone's livelihood or home life? ** Good question
VF April 16 2008 Someone said something on another crime group a while back that could have put me and possibly three other people in danger. As it ended up, someone may have blinked, bad move.
Check the historical record, who is about the first person here who was pointing at Tina? Waaay back when it wasn't even popular.
Who said that because you don't see much about a certain subject in this board that there aren't people talking about it?? Hey, Cary was supposedly at a party at Cabin 8 or 9 that night.
Does McNarie speak German? Ever traveled to Germany?
kobyashi: May 26, 2008 The reason so many flooded this board in May is because someone edited the Wikipedia page for The Strangers to include the Keddie murders around May 15. The first edit mentioned all three victims names and that the Keddie Resort was a hotspot for movie stars and actors. The second and third edits from this same person added the cabin28 link and a few more details of the crime.
*Alex pops on to defend "why" it's on there.
JOSH May 25 2008: Hi everyone,
The traffic on this website for the past week has been entertaining, sad, frustrating, and enlightening all at the same time. As I said in an earlier post, despite the name-calling and threats, this can only have positive results in the end. Let's hope, anyway.
For a lot of the new visitors, my name is Josh Hancock. I teach college English and I'm a writer. About four years ago, I decided to shoot a small film about the Keddie Murders. I shared the same surprise that new members of this board have--there was virtually nothing about the case. A few articles online and that was about it.
I immediately contacted a few of the Sharp family members. They were receptive to the idea of the film. Within a few weeks, I had met several of them; they were supportive, kind, informative, funny. Good people who had suffered a great deal. A short time after that, filming began. No big show. Me and some close friends. Our objective was to tell the story and leave it at that.
The Sharps and the Wingates allowed us into their lives. We conducted countless interviews with nearly all of the key family members. They put up with a lot, but they never complained. We filmed tours of the cabin; we interviewed ex-cops and FBI agents; Tina's teachers; we flew to Arizona, Seattle, and Oregon to interview people about the case. We interviewed newspaper reporters, the man who found Tina's remains, the man who identified Tina's remains, and the DA at the time of the murders. We aquired photographs, crime scene footage, obituaries and autopsy reports.
The complaints on the board that the film is one-sided--that it focuses on only two suspects--are warranted. It was not what we initially set out to do. But you have to understand the mood back then. No one was talking about this crime. And certainly no one wanted to talk about it on camera. Those who would talk, including retired PCSO, referred to the same two suspects over and over again--to the point where we decided to go for it. The film is one-sided because that was all there was--at the time. You might not believe it, but we spent nearly three years shooting the video. And that was all there was.
The mood has shifted now. So many more people know about this case. So many more people have offered up new and interesting theories. And even more theories now, because of this distant connection to a horror film coming out next week. There's a box in my basement filled with over 200 hours of unused footage, notes, and other documentation related to this case. I have thought time and time again to put it all up on a site somewhere. Not really sure what to do with it anymore.
As for the possibility of a DVD of the film--I can tell you they're being made as we speak. That doesn't really mean much, but they are being made.
No, I don't believe Marty or Bo killed Sue, Dana, Johnny, and Tina. Not anymore. That's not why people can't get a hold of the film, though. It's simply because I stopped selling it. We sold around forty to fifty copies. I'm not sure why those forty or fifty people out there aren't making you copies and sending them to you.
In the end, the two most important things that happened because of the documentary: Tina Sharp had a proper funeral and headstone, and distant relatives of the Sharp family were reunited after many, many years. I am really proud of those two things.
For the new visitors who think this is a hoax to promote some other movie, all I can tell you is, you're wrong. This post probably won't change your mind, but you never know.
-Josh
Right behind this: Alex : Thanx Josh , I'd like to know all I can. First thing I'm going to do is get my hands on any and all police investigation records and evidence records.
Can you tell me the names of people I want to talk to? PM them if you don't want them in public, but I only see fIrst names for the most part , and don't know much about this other than what's here, and some of it's pretty vague.
Thanx.
nuda tsutla: language?
Murder changes people. Murderers change. Who changed?
Mr. Grimm 1976: May 26 2008 Cops, FBI and others couldn't solve the crime, so it taints their reputation? Perhaps even a cop committed the crime, mad at young people without adult supervision.
House of dogs May 27 2008 : Everyone comments on the brutality of the crime and points to rage and passion... what if the "brutality" was staged? That might explain why the neighbors say they heard nothing.
Kline May 25, 2008 : Hey Craig did you used to go score with Kenyon and Nancy Clutter too?
Craig May 26 2008 : i said Stoney and his Brother was the one who beat me up
alsaca3 May 3 2007 Tina's family was snuffed because she was pregnant? Who was she? The governer's daughter?? I have said this before and I say this again!! NONE OF YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT IF I DIDN'T INVITE JOSH HANCOCK INTO OUR LIVES TO HELP WITH SOME DAMN CLOSURE. WHAT THE HELL WOULD YOU GUYS BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IF MY AUNT, COUSINS AND DANA WEREN'T KILLED 26 YEARS AGO.
Sassy: May 4, 2007 Tina could have been the target just like anyone of the other 3 victims. I will assure you that Tina could not have been pregnant.
Spencer Oct 11 2006 : s it turns out Marty was not the perpetrator of these crimes, but was in fact the target! It seems that Marty had came across the perpetrators car loaded down with marijuana, saw an opportunity to make a score, stole the car and the pot and booked!
As a result of their loss, the perpetrators seeking revenge, broke into the wrong cabin thinking that they had came upon Marty's family and killed these innocent people in retaliation for Marty ripping them off.
One can assume that this is the same story that Marty told the police and that is one of the reasons why he was cleared of these murders. The age-old case of “Someone being at the wrong place at the wrong time.”
In respect to the child that was kidnapped and thus murdered, that looks like a “crime of opportunity” whereas to commit an additional sex crime after the murders wouldn’t matter.
This is a story that we as a family can honestly believe that Marty could have been involved with. We are all sure that had he come across a car loaded with dope he would have taken the opportunity to try and make that kind of score as that was the nature of Marty. But to kill three innocent children and the mother, that was way out of Marty's realm.
What was the reason Marty took off? That is a simple question to answer knowing Marty. Since he knew he was a hunted man for ripping off the perpetrators and he had a getaway car with their dope in it, he might as well get out of town while he could.
The perpetrators on the other hand had ever reason in the world to point the finger at Marty and Bo and that is exactly what is going on now! The police have known for 25 years where Marty lived and if they had evidence that could have been used to convict Marty, why have they let these murders go unsolved for so long?
Marty is portrayed at the Drunk Uncle. And, maybe he was.
Stormy Oct 12 2007: The killer(s) spent quite a while with their victims. Some speculate that the killer(s) were try to beat information out of the victims. You think they would have been able to tell that they were in the wrong house as soon as they started talking to the victims. Maybe someone was trying to frame John and Dana for the drug ripoff and started spreading rumors about them.
Maybe Craig's yellow house was where the stolen marijuana was stashed. If John and Dana stole some drugs from the yellow house; then that is where the Marty/Bo connection comes into play. **Craig's yellow house
Word of who did the smaller ripoff may have been confused with the bigger ripoff that Marty had done prior. Maybe one of John and Dana's "friends", with a big mouth, might have accidently told the wrong person about the ripoff they did. Then word got back to the original drug owners and they went looking for John and Dana.
Craig Oct 12 2006: i have always said JOHN JOHN,
DANA AND MYSELF DRIVING MY " TAN TOYOTA CORONA
HATCHBACK STATION WAGON" did in fact ripped
off the yellow house and IT DID HAPPEN.
the question i have is when did marty rip off these
people as i know we ripped off the yellow house on
april 6th as it was 5 days before the murder
or should i say john john and dana ripped off the
yellow house with me driving not knowing what they
were up to til they got back in the car...i thought i
was doing a favor in driving them to east quincy.
keller you have no excuse
as your a plumas resident and have been for a long time
I DID DROP THEM OFF that night in a gravel
area and not right across from the turnout but near there and to
answer your question..letting them out at the turnout would be
dangerous as there is not much room if a car came barrelling off
the 70 and tried going down the driveway to keddie with me parked
there so it was safer for them and myself to park in the gravel area
and they could cross the 70 and go down the driveway at their own
leasure and when it was safe..also it let me able to have the car
pointed in the right direction going back towards the apartments.
Marilyn Oct 12 2006: I don't believe Marty stole a car with pot in it. I can buy into the idea that he stole the pot, but not the car too.
Craig Oct 13 2006: i went
and picked them up at ganser park and drove
them out to keddie and drop them off across the hwy
from the keddie turnout..gravel area
and drove back to the apartments.
If that's Dmac talking to Craig on this site, he sure tries to discredit him.
Craig Nov 21 2006: this is why i laid low and for good reasons..i did not
know that the drug ripoff happen until they got back in the
car so yeah i was scared pretty bad as after hearing who
was ripped off and i dont know if i yelled at john john and dana
or what knowing how i would react or over react on things back
then ....i would of been a tad upset and scared of things.
It WAS Easter vacation.
Blue Skeyes: Oct 13 2006: The cabins were close to each other. I have a hard time believing the murderers/drug dealers would kill so many people in cabin 28 merely because the car was parked there.
How about this...
Let's just say that John and Dana did steal drugs from the yellow house in Quincy. And somehow the drug car was also connected in some way to the yellow house. The drug car people found out about the small theft from the yellow house and assumed that the bigger car drug theft was done by the same kids.
If that's the situation then whoever owned the drugs in the car that Marty stole would most likely be the murderers in this case.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
craig wrote:
I AM SO WONDERING HOW THE HELL I SURVIVED UP THERE IF
I WAS WITH SNAKES AND DID NOT EVEN KNOW IT AT THE TIME
AND THAT IS IF SPENCER STORY CHECKS OUT.
.
But ,you where bragging about moving back up their , dose your story check out ?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
i was planning on going and
moving up there david
your so right about that
and look what i found out since i
said that and the fallout with so called friends
and the threats i got from people up there.
i changed my mind david and i dont know why
i even wanted to move up there as there are some snakes
for sure up there and that is the best definition i can find
as what if spencer is telling the truth. thats very scary
for me and you never lived there david nor know very
many people from up there so i guess you can not even
fathom why i changed my mind about moving up there.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: Reply with quote
craig wrote:
this is what i told bluey
i think it is all connected
somehow ??
so marty ripped off this car/car full
of drugs or someone did and when we ripped
them off april 6th, 1981 from the yellow house,
they thought we did the earlier larger ripofff too.
i said there was some connection between the two ripoffs
THIS ALL FITS PRETTY NICELY IN WHAT I HAVE SAID, GYPSIE
AKA MARLYN AND OTHERS HAVE SAID THEY KNOW AND IM
STARTING TO WONDER WHAT SPENCER SAID MIGHT BE TRUE
IN SOME WAYS. I AM NOT ACCUSING THE MEEKS OF ANYTHING
BUT WOULD IT BE SO SAD THAT THE ONE SHELIA WAS WITH
MURDERED HER FAMILY.
I AM SO WONDERING HOW THE HELL I SURVIVED UP THERE IF
I WAS WITH SNAKES AND DID NOT EVEN KNOW IT AT THE TIME
AND THAT IS IF SPENCER STORY CHECKS OUT.
IF IT WAS NOT MARTY AND BO AND DEE, IT HAD TO BE SOMEONE
WHO KNEW THE AREA, KNEW KEDDIE AND PROBABLY KNEW THE
SHARPS AS SUE WOULD NOT LET SOME STRANGER IN THE CABIN
AND THAT NARROWS IT DOWN A BIT..DOESNT IT? IF MARTY AND BO
DID STEAL THAT CAR FULL OF DRUGS AND IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE
WHO CAME AFTER US THINKING WE DID BOTH RIPOFFS..(JOHN JOHN,
DANA AND MYSELF) THEN WHO WERE THE MAIN DRUG DEALERS IN
THAT AREA BESIDES MARTY WITH HIS CAR LOAD OF DRUGS TO
SELL OR DO THE DRUGS THEMSELVES.
this new wrinkle by spencer and bluey's new theory brings new ideas
and concepts to this all and ill be interested to know if any of this
actually pans out and is true.
Craig:
You continue to cause harm.
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i never threaten anyone david and that is not true
i dont know why richard and some of the other meeks
hate me and threaten me at times..i think it is more than
driving crazy and being reckless at the time and this what
spencer told us IF IT IS TRUE would explain why this is
going on to a point. i would be the last direct linkt IF WHAT
SPENCER SAID IS TRUE if the meeks were involved more
than they said there were. i am NOT AGAIN ACCUSSING
the meeks of anything but stating their attitude towards me
would be explained alot more if WHAT SPENCER SAID IS TRUE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS RR. DAVID..WHAT SPENCER
SAID AND BLUEY'S THEORY?
KELLER I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW I AM HURTING THINGS
AND WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT WHAT SPENCER SAID ABOUT THE
MEEKS AND BLUEY'S THEORY. IT IS OBVIOUS YOU HAVE A COMMENT
AND IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE NOT DISCLOSING ABOUT THE THREE PEOPLE AND THIS WHOLE MEEKS DRUG DEALING THEORY?
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"Alex" keeps begging and begging for information for his investigation.
Craig May 28, 2008: ALEX
I CAN TELL YOU I WAS UP THERE
KNEW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED
I WAS GOING TO FRC AS A STUDENT..
FEATHER RIVER COLLEGE AND LIVED IN
FEATHER RIVER APARTMENTS WITH A GUY FROM
EL SOBRANTE NAMED MICHAEL IN AN APARTMENT,
MICHAEL WAS ALSO GOING TO FRC AT THE TIME...
LATER MOVED TO COTTAGE BEHIND THE COURTHOUSE
IN THE SUMMER OF 1981.
I CAN ALSO TELL YOU I HAD AN ALCOHOL PROBLEM
AND WAS PARTYING A LOT UP THERE AND WENT TO PARTIES
AT BOTH MT HOUGH AND OAKLAND CAMP! I ALSO RODE BMX
BIKES AND KNEW A LOT OF THE LOCALS BECAUSE OF THAT..
INCLUDING STONEY, MONTE MANNIES, PERSON BROTHERS
ETC....
I ALSO DID NOT ASSAULT STONEY'S SISTER AND DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THE FOOK SHE IS TO THIS DAY AND I SURELY DID NOT ASSAULT HER OR SAY WORDS AT HER AND I AM NOT A MARTY SMART!!..SORRY SPENCER BUT MARTY WAS AN a*sho*e, PERVERT AND DISRESPECTFUL OF LADIES ....WHICH BY NO MEANS WOULD I EVER BE THAT WAY.
Craig continues to be sweet talked and threatened by people (who seem to be the same person).
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Byrum is gonna bayum you, Craig, if you keep this up. Got it?
What a minipulative SOB. He signs in as an ass. Then comments as someone else that calls him an ass. And, people pick one side or the other and he says, "Well, you're just going to have to trust me." Some people buy into it, some don't. But, "Alex" gets what "Alex" wants. Even got Spence onn his side. Hindsight really is 20/20.
He came in with his 13 different personalities. That takes some perseverance. Kudos. Well played, "Alex". Well played. :-)
Alex May 26 2008: Goon Jones you have me mistaken for someone who gives a crap about the childish antics here. They can either play by the rules of the investigative process or they can choose not to play by those rules. That is up to them
**The manipulation started by "someone" posting they "didn't believe this crime happened" and people jumping on that bandwagon to prove it did.
Yanking a chain. Waiting for a response. And, he got it. It's like oatmeal to him. It fills his belly.
How sad. He baited peope by saying, "This crime never happened! Prove it!" Baited people. Made Craig defend himself. Made Spencer try and defend his asswipe brother. Pitted family against family. And, all the while, he sat back with his bourbon. So. Many. People. Played.
THE TAKE OVER HAS BEGUN!!!
*Enter a whole bunch of "Please Josh! I'll do whatever it takes." I can't decide whether to smile or nod.
William Conrad: Yeah see, and I will be needing the where abouts of everyone on this board over the age of 30, on the night of 4/11/81
I will be needing every bit of info that each of you have about this case.
I need to know if anyone here has any info that has previously not been released.
I need crime scene photos and all the evidence.
I am here working for those responsible for this crime and they wanna know who they need to silence and what type of evidence there may or may not be so they can explain it all.
And I expect it all A.S.A.P. or everyone will be subjected to my wrath!
I just read my "Investigative Techniques" handbook I received for Christmas and I am ready and willing to show the coppers how it`s done!
See just how goofy you really appear Alex T. Dic ?
*I owe this man a beer. Or, two. Or three.
"Someone" changed dates on Ancestery.com to fit his theory.
At what point did he become blood brothers with Mike Gamberg?
*What year was that?
I'm becoming quite okay with the craziness of Craig and Valley Flyer. At least they're trying to get to the truth.
Dmac's done more harm than good.
Dmac oops Alex is the first to bring up the Kiddie porn on this site.
The whole van angle might fit into a J.L. scenario as well, what better way to haul someone off, and vans are favorites w/ the abductor types. He and a one or a few of his "kiddie porn" collectors may have went in w/ the intentions of taking Tina and it all got ugly, especially if he were still heated from his arguement w/ Sue. He does fit the overall description I posted of the man.
Not saying this isn't a scenerio. But, FFS "Alex" sure clung to that one and opened a huuugggee door for others to barge through.
The Van. Yeah. "FREE CANDY". We get it. But, not everyone that drives a van is a pediphile.
Sometimes they're pretty sketchy, though.
James Sharp: He was a career Navy man. I believe they seperated while he was stationed at Bremerton. As I just said, someone way back mentioned that he may have been at the Philly Navy Yard when it happened. **Philly
AGES:
The Players
Glenna Sharp age 36
John Sharp age 15
Dana Wingate age 17
Tina Sharp age 13
Shelia Sharp age 14
Richard Meeks age 15
Dale Meeks, age 17
Craig Walters, age 17
Martin Smartt, age 32
Marylyn Smartt, age unk
John Boubee, Age unk
Justin (Marylyn Smartt’s son age unk)
Mrs. Meeks, (Mother of Richard and Dale Meeks)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
"FILM WRITER ARE YOU ACTUALLY SAYING THE MEEKS HAD
SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE MURDERS AND RICHARD USED
HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH STONEY AND DARRELL TO HAVE THEM
COME AFTER ME WHO TO THIS DAY RICHARD PROTECTS
AND DEFENDS BOTH STONEY AND DARRELL EVEN IF THEIR
NAMES ARE MENTIONED BRIEFLY. "
Craig are you saying that it was Stoney and Darrell who beat you up and not Richard?
Craig dec 22 2006: THE YELLOW HOUSE IS A FACTOR BECAUSE OF BOTH RICHARD
AND MYSELF SAYING DRUGS WERE RIPPED OFF THERE AND
ALSO THAT THE RIPOFF I DESCRIBE AND HAPPENED WAS WITH
JOHN JOHN AND DANA WHO WERE MURDERED 5 DAYS LATER...
APRIL 6TH WAS IST RIPOFF OF YELLOW HOUSE AND THE MURDERS
HAPPEN ON APRIL 11TH.
Carl Frick: Dec 22 2006 Except there was no party at Oakland Camp. This is simply not true. The party was on Lee Road near the mill.