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Post by kmik on Jul 19, 2019 19:38:50 GMT -6
This was in the May 17 Plumas News:
I'm happy that Victoria took the time to write about the murders but lets face it (and I'm certainly not trying to take anything away from her) there was no research beyond what was all over the forums. I cannot imagine her being from Quincy and having access to Mike and Greg and not knowing enough about this case to ask some of the simplest questions:
1. Was Marty's counselor a real "counselor" and did he ever confirm if he took notes of this confession? 2. In 2013, Josh Seabolt wrote a 30th anniversary article that claimed he had actually been allowed by PCSO to view the DOJ's report after talking to the "counselor" in 1981. She could have then asked Mike if she too could see that report.
3. Why has Marty's "confession letter" never been printed in full for the public to read (she could have then printed the entire "love" letter for the public.
4. Do you, Mike, have a grudge against Doug Thomas?
5. If Doug was covering for his BF Marty then why is there so much info on Marty Smart?
6. Why is it a secret who gave Johnny and Dana a ride to Keddie? Why did they say Marty and Sue were dating in 1981 but never told they gave the ride?
7. Have Ricky and Greg been interviewed again in the last several years?
8. At this point have you completely ruled out Tina being, in any way, involved in what happened in 28?
9. Why was Dana at your house on the Friday night before the murders? Is that where he took Judo lessons? If so was Johnny also with him?
I could go on and on. But all we read for 3 weeks was an extension of 28's version of events.
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Post by snoho17 on Jan 18, 2020 21:53:12 GMT -6
"The hope is coming from an unlikely source—information from a family member of Boubede has led to a discovery investigators thought was long gone. The hammer, similar to one reported missing by Smartt, was dug up near the crime scene just last month." CBS Sacramento. Wait, what? That's not the story I read. A family member of Bo?
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 19, 2020 7:02:17 GMT -6
Just another repeat of another press release from 28.
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Post by jmo on Jan 19, 2020 14:55:28 GMT -6
"The hope is coming from an unlikely source—information from a family member of Boubede has led to a discovery investigators thought was long gone. The hammer, similar to one reported missing by Smartt, was dug up near the crime scene just last month." CBS Sacramento. Wait, what? That's not the story I read. A family member of Bo? This info came from A FAMILY MEMBER OF BO?!? I thought dmac got a lead from one of his followers but to find out that lead could be a "family member of Bo's"....? Must be Princess. Remember when she posted pictures and claimed someone broke into her garage or something and set knives and a hammer in there? Dmac started a go fund me page for her because, idk, money. Her house burned down. And, someone had cancer. All kinds of reasons. And, now I must process how a "member of Bo's" (who is a close friend of dmac), 35 years later, would know about a hammer in a pond at Keddie? Unless of course, it's another "family member of Bo's" that I haven't heard of...? Well, we all knew the hammer find by Gamberg was a fake. Poked it with his cane and it just came up. Okay, Gam. Good catch, snoho.
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Post by jmo on Jan 19, 2020 16:07:12 GMT -6
Who was this "tipster" again? And, BTW it's an Estwing hammer according to Gamberg. www.rgj.com/story/news/crime/2016/04/12/plumas-county-investigator-closer-solving-keddie-murders/82944506/Gamberg, a former deputy, began working on the case in 2013. Since then, he’s recovered a recording of a phone call made to investigators soon after the remains of Sharp’s daughter were found. The anonymous caller identified the remains and hung up, Gamberg said. Gamberg said he found the recording in the bottom of a box of evidence from the case that was never opened – something he says is unusual. “Somehow it was overlooked 35 years ago, and I got lucky enough to find it,” he said. Then, when news of the progress made in the case hit the public, investigators received a tip via an online forum. Tips on the case began coming in from the forum, Gamberg said. The manager of the forum contacted investigators and told them a tipster posted information of a possible murder weapon he had found in the area near the murders. The tipster told authorities he found a rusted hammer while searching a nearby area with a metal detector. The hammer was later identified as an Estwing brand. It matched the description of a hammer suspect Martin Smartt said he lost shortly before the murders, Gamberg said. “It was a brand-named hammer,” Gamberg said. “It’s a top-of-the-line tool, and it’s expensive. Nobody would just leave it lying around.” I agree. Nobody would just leave it lying around. And, yes, Mike's a lucky guy. JMO
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Post by kmik on Jan 19, 2020 18:52:09 GMT -6
And Marty would have needed an expensive, top of the line hammer for? Cooking? Scamming? Carnival work?
I feel the only reason Marty ever even mentioned the wood handle hammer coming out of 28 was because that is what Justin had told him just like the one Justin told the police he saw in his "dream".
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 19, 2020 21:30:45 GMT -6
Right. The bloody, WOODEN handled hammer used on the victims was found IN CABIN 28. It was NEVER "lost." So, any hammer found, Marty's or not, is IRRELEVANT.
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Post by snoho17 on Jan 20, 2020 0:22:58 GMT -6
Right. The bloody, WOODEN handled hammer used on the victims was found IN CABIN 28. It was NEVER "lost." So, any hammer found, Marty's or not, is IRRELEVANT. I agree, and I'd always read in other articles someone looking for a ring found it, which seems odd in itself. But that's the first I read a member of Bos family had anything to do with it. And I don't see how
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 20, 2020 5:38:24 GMT -6
Well, even IF it is Marty's hammer, so what? It had nothing whatever to do with the murders.
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Post by jmo on Jan 20, 2020 12:49:33 GMT -6
I think it's interesting because Hagwood and Gamberg called it "evidence" and made a big deal out of it and Vicky won an award for the articles (which I think we all had a pretty heavy eye roll over). I don't recall any mention of it being Bo's relative or the brand of hammer in her articles.
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Post by kmik on Jan 25, 2020 7:17:14 GMT -6
So sad that when Hagwood was asked, "how soon can we expect some arrests in this case" he responded, " it could be next month it could be next year but really the focus and our priority is getting the truth". That was in 2016 and in 4 months it will be 4 years since he made that statement and he appears to be no closer to the truth of who was in 28 that night.
There is little doubt that PCSO could officially declare this case "closed" since Marty is dead and they feel so strongly that he's guilty - he's not coming back to life so what's the hold up? Close the case! It would definitely satisfy the Sharps and the public so what keeps them from doing that?? What??
When Gamberg was asked what happened to Marty's confession he said, "somehow uh it was excluded. They uh covered it up - that's the way it sounds". The way it sounds?? Did he mean the way it appears because from that statement he made it "sound" like he hadn't looked at the files himself.
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Post by kmik on Jan 28, 2020 20:59:02 GMT -6
I see that Greg Hagwood retired as Sheriff, December 2019, to run for District 4 Supervisor.
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Post by snoho17 on Jan 31, 2020 2:20:32 GMT -6
Well worst case scenario, someone had/found an old rusty hammer and put it there to be "found". Was because it was reported by a relative whod never stepped foot in the place, whom I'd have to assume had this conversation with bo 35 +years ago?
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Post by kmik on Jan 31, 2020 8:13:13 GMT -6
From memory (not good) I think it was "told" that whoever "found" the hammer had been to a wedding in Keddie and a ring had gotten lost and so the husband returned with a metal detector to look for the ring and he found the hammer. I know it's almost too weird that a wedding ring got lost in the Keddie Pond in the first place (no matter if it was wet or dry) and secondly that while looking for the ring with a metal detector this old rusty hammer was found and not even reported on until a YEAR after it was found and even then it wasn't reported to the PCSO it was reported to a FORUM.
The Keddie Murders case just boomed in early 2016 with the anniversary article, news articles and tv show but Dmac had been working on getting a show done on the murders before we left the forum in Dec 2015 - so this was in the works, plus the anniversary was coming up in less than 2 months plus there was absolutely nothing happening on 28 and even less by the time we left. 28 needed something and ID was coming to do a show. Here is what was on Keddie28's FB during this time:
March 16, 2016 FB Post:
March 24, 2016 FB Post:
"Let's keep this momentum going, folks". The ID show didn't just happened overnight it was in the works. So by March they knew they were doing a show and it wasn't hard to get Plumas News to do an anniversary article since they hadn't done one in years - then throw a hammer and a tape (Mike hadn't looked for) in the mix - and you've got national attention. I'm glad the case got the attention but it just seems the case was presented as if it was already solved- not as a case DESPERATE for answers. Sheila, Greg, and Mike talked just like 28, as if they already knew who did this so what in the world did they need the public for?
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 31, 2020 9:26:38 GMT -6
And I'll say it again--there is no need to look for ANY hammer, let alone Marty's. The hammer that was used on the victims was STILL IN CABIN 28. On the little table next to the butcher knife that was used on Sue. So the boys "borrowed" Marty's hammer (if that even is Marty's) and lost it. So what? It wasn't used on the victims.
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