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Post by kmik on May 16, 2021 20:36:31 GMT -6
I agree Snoho and I too sometimes wonder if getting on a forum and discussing things about these people is the really right thing to do. But my reason for being here is I believed Sheila agreed to do the film with Josh because she wanted to know who killed her family and Dana so people dug in to try and help make sense of this case. Then it became more than she was comfortable with - and I can't say I blame her.
Years ago dmac made a list of questions for her to answer and from memory I don't remember there being anything on the list that was out of line (now that's just my memory and if anyone has the list I'd like to read it again). Maybe she felt like she was being interrogated, I don't know, but she never answered the questions. She certainly had every right not to answer anything she didn't want to answer but why join the forum if she wasn't there to help people who were interested in the case - after all nothing was being done as far as the case being investigated anyway.
On the old forum JK painted what I believe to be an accurate happy picture of what life in Keddie was like for kids and how the moms would go to the bar while the kids roamed the neighborhood having fun - but it offended her and she wanted everyone to know her mom didn't do that. What was wrong with saying, "well my mom never went to the bar but we still roamed all over the neighborhood having fun"? Instead she got defensive and JK wasn't even talking about her mom he was talking about his own mom and her friends. Nobody's family is perfect so why paint hers out to be? There is nothing these people did that could justify them being murdered - NOTHING - stealing, rebellious, skipping school, parties, running away from home, doing drugs, getting pregnant, dating men, being promiscuous - it doesn't matter they didn't deserve to die. The reason we ask questions is not to condemn her family but to figure out who might possibly have felt the need to go to 28 that night. She's really spent the last 17 years trying to make everyone think that things in 28 were perfect, they were poor but had a great life, but that's a fantasy for anyone - cause nobody's family is perfect. She has spent the last 10 years pushing the Marty theory because it's just easier - or was until dmac stepped in to say Sue and Marty were having an affair (which I do not believe). Wouldn't it have just been better to say from the beginning, " Hey this was our life after my parents divorced and mom did the best she could with 5 kids and no husband"? Maybe if she could go back in time she'd have done things differently?
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Post by hope on May 17, 2021 7:14:23 GMT -6
I was actually just reading that list of questions, dmac updated it recently with some of the info he found in the newer files. I can copy & paste it here.
I didn't feel any of the questions were out of line either. But I think it was the timing of the questions. While reading back through that thread, that was when the fallout between Sheila & her husband at the time and the forum happened. The list of questions was posted right after Sheila was called a liar during a chat. Sheila wasn't there for the actual chat but was told about it. So she was upset over that & then the questions were posted. I'm sure there were things leading up to that fall out, on both sides, prior to what happened in chat. I remember afterwards her husband said something along the lines of instead of people being sympathetic towards Sheila & her feelings everyone just assumed the worst of her and called her a liar. I do think it was all more than she bargained for & became too much. And I've wondered the same thing, how she feels now & if she would've done things differently. Im sure she never expected it to turn into what it has recently. You can't help but feel that she & her family are getting screwed all over again. Your post mentioning how she probably felt safe with Gamberg & he would protect her is so true. I never thought about that and it made me sad thinking of it. She probably did feel he would protect her, instead he let her name get dragged into the murder of her own family : (
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Post by hope on May 17, 2021 7:48:32 GMT -6
Here is that list of questions, there are updates, in the red text, from April 2021 by Dmac.
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Post by kmik on May 17, 2021 12:48:12 GMT -6
Thanks for posting that! I don't think the questions from 2013 were out of line in any way (I'm not even going to acknowledge 2021). And yes I think it was MK(?) that told Sheila what was said in chat (but chats are usually left up for a while so she may have seen it herself).
I definitely feel sorry for these families but they allowed this story to be filmed so why not tell everything you know? Sheila seemed to be the family spokesperson but she never really told anything on the forums that helped anyone sort out any of the story or even understand it better - so why was she there? To monitor what was being said? Because she wasn't adding anything to the discussions.
Gary Wingate never joined a forum but in his appearance on the documentary he didn't try to hide the fact that Dana was trouble, didn't want to hang out at home like his girls did, and that he was about to be moved to a new, more secure home but that he (Gary) didn't know even know why - even going on to say that the Dorris would know more about why he was going to move - he didn't try to rewrite the story to make Dana out to be a saint or he himself to be father of the year.
I think that's all people wanted was for her to fill in the gaps of what they didn't understand as far as where things were located, who lived where and why her and Richards timelines didn't add up. It's crazy. She barley let Rick speak on the cabin walkthrough then corrected him on what he did say.
This is a story she seemed to want told but she wanted to tell it her way - not the way it really happened. Her cousin (I'm thinking it was the one who got Josh involved in all of this) once posted that (paraphrasing here) everyone needed to quit obsessing over this, she wished she had never gotten Josh involved, and that people needed to quit wasting their time on the forum and start spending it with their family. Really? After she got all of this started? I've always felt that being on the computer looking at a cold murder case is no more of a waste of time than watching tv all night - and way more interesting. So why did she want everyone to suddenly stop after they had just pulled everyone into the story???
Sheila and Richard were not truthful while on the forums there's just no other way to say it - and I hope she understands why so many people were disappointed in her especially after assuming that she wanted this case solved. Gamberg came into the case as a protector with tunnel vision - and it never helped accomplish anything in the case.
I'm sure not everyone on the forums really wanted to see this case solved but the majority of posters were really trying to get answers from her so that they might be able to piece together something that might be of some use to her (maybe something she had never thought of) so that she herself might be able to help solve the case. But she wouldn't let go of the Meeks long enough to actually consider anyone besides who they claimed did it. And Sue may not have been the perfect mother but she obviously gave her the best advice when she told her to stay away from the Meeks.
Sheila never questioned the Meeks.
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Post by hope on May 17, 2021 17:50:33 GMT -6
Yep, I do agree with everything you said. I have mixed feelings as well & don't understand. Everyone had Sheila's best interest at heart & wanted to help her solve her family's murder. People were just hoping to learn things from her. Such as what daily life was like, what was normal/routine for the family, the layout of Keddie & Quincy, what'd they do for fun, where did they all hang out, etc. I know I would have liked to have heard more about what each of her family members were like, because we have come to care about these people & think all felt a connection too them.
That was one thing I always noticed, particularly in regards to the Meeks. Nina never seemed to share any real memories of the family, always just "our families were best friends". And Richards memories seemed to contradict everyone else's. For instance if someone mentioned a story of the boys drinking or smoking Richard would chime in that that's not true. They didnt drink, they didn't smoke cigarettes & they didnt even know what drugs were. That was always so weird to me. I think most people assume teenage boys would be doing those things, it's normal behavior for most teenagers. So why so adamantly deny it?
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Post by kmik on May 17, 2021 20:45:03 GMT -6
You are so right. And if Sheila didn't want to stay on Keddie28 (and Lord knows I cant blame her) then she could have started her own forum, laid out the case info, bit the bullet and told the good, the bad, and the ugly so she could have moved on past that to possible scenario's. For someone wanting answers to her families cold case that would have been a good start. I'd just rather talk about my past than to have it blasted by someone who doesn't even know me - as dmac has now done, curtesy of her good friend Mike G.
So true that the Meeks never shared anything past everything you stated. And what were Glenna's memories of Tina? She didn't run with the big pack (her words) as to say she wasn't around as much as Johnny and Sheila - but that couldn't have been true. And she also said Tina had not been molested that she knew of yet in 1981 Marilyn told LE that Tina had almost been molested and Sue had reported it - so IF Glenna didn't know that info in 1981 she certainly did by the time she was posting that crap around 2005 from Sheila or Marilyn.
I'm done with any Meeks info that wasn't told to LE in 1981 - it's just not reliable and has been a roadblock for any real investigation into this case.
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Post by cassiopeia on Jun 14, 2021 15:06:23 GMT -6
"Why did Sue and the Meeks and everyone LIE about knowing Dana would be in 28? Because they and those in 26 had no clue. Nor do I think they believed John would be there. We KNOW Tina was sent home by coward Sheila to be murdered, and it's been confirmed that Loon and Marty had no care where Justin was- until he surprised them at the beginning of the murders. We also know the murders went sideways from how they'd been planned, but compare what happened to what they thought would happen:". I have seen the posts saying how difficult it would be to control an adult and 2 male teens. But if everybody "knew" Sue would be home alone with just the youngest, that takes some of the risk out right? Thats why the crime scene was so crazy. I do have some doubt that Sheila would knowingly send Tina home to her death, that's her sister for crying out loud! But through my readings, I've noticed a belief that sheila was manipulated, could someone else have been pushing her to send sheila back? And as much as i hate to gothere, did it even matter to whoever set this up that the ypung boys were there? If everything had gone as planned with just sue and the boys in the house, were the perps willing to off the 2 boys if they had gotton up?
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