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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 6, 2019 6:42:52 GMT -6
In this photo, we can see reasonably well what looks like the print of a waffle-soled boot near the right edge of the couch cushion. I would say that [most] the sections of carpet that were removed were also of these prints. And neither Marty nor Bo are known to have owned any such boots (neither of them worked outdoors.)  |
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Post by karis on Mar 10, 2019 6:28:06 GMT -6
This is the information we have on waffle soled shoes.
This is from his interview with Doug Thomas about one of the perps. My question is how did he see the bottom of the shoes unless the man was laying down? Maybe someone else can tell me.
Doug: Blue jeans. What kind of shoes did he have on?
Justin: Marked army boots.
Doug: Ok. What color were they?
Justin: Green.
Doug: They were green. Where, what do you mean by army boots? Tell me what army boots look like?
Justin: It was kinda like a hiking boot.
Doug: OK. Like hiking boots. What kind of a sole did they have on them? Do you know?
Justin: Like waffle stompers.
Doug: Like waffle stompers. Ok. How old was this man?
Justin described a man wearing army/hiking type boots with waffle soles. If this is true how would Justin have seen the soles of an intruder's boot in what we have been led to believe was "low lighting"?
It sounds more like he is referring to the soles of Dana's boots. Dana's autopsy report list him as wearing a hiking boot with waffle type soles. If Justin is really referring to the soles of Dana's boots then when would he have seen them? Dana was not wearing the boots earlier in the day. He traded shoes with the boy from the receiving home that afternoon and was not back in Keddie until after the boys went to bed. Maybe he saw them when he claims he tried to stop the bleeding on Sue? But Dana's boots were not near Sue's chest they were behind the tv stand practically against the wall.
It's hard to believe that Justin could have seen the sole of an intruder's boot in "bright" or "low lighting". It's not hard to believe that he was actually describing the soles of Dana's boots.
This is from the coroner's report:
The subject wears heavy brown above-the-ankle length hiking boots. They show
waffle-type soles and are labeled "Vibrum" on the soles.
The waffle soled shoes were not even Dana's. He had borrowed these shoes from his friend.
MITCHELL, STERLING (KEITH)
Said he worked Round Table at night 4/11/81, manager (Miller) said he worked during day shift, traded boots with Dana, acted nervous & strange after 187's, lived w/ Dana at Dorris home
<FORCINO>/<SHANKS>/ <STOY>
Now if Justin was standing in the doorway of the boys bedroom how did he see the soles of Dana's Shoes? Dana was facing the opposite direction. How did he see the soles of an intruder's shoe's? The ONLY way he would have seen those shoe's (in my opinion) was if he was putting the tape on Dana's feet.
This is from the coroner's report about the tape around the boots.
About the suspect's hiking boots on the left leg is a wrap of adhesive tape. This has the appearance of 3/4 or 1 inch white adhesive. It extends completely around the upper portion of the boot and is not connected to the right boot which in turn shows a portion of similar tape attached to its upper lateral anterior portion. One of the ends of this portion extends down over the heel. It is stuck to the posterior aspect of the heel. The other portion extends upward over the tongue to the anterior area of the underlying sock.
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 10, 2019 10:01:59 GMT -6
Well, go to the shoe store. You can tell which boots have "waffle" soles without necessarily seeing the bottoms of the shoes. Now, what kind of soles did TINA's "missing" boots have? Because, if I'm right about the bloody shoeprint in that picture, it's not very big. I'm guessing a boys size 5-7, or 4-6, keeping in mind that those kinds of shoes/boots have soles that are bigger than the rest of the shoe. So, I'm wondering if that's TINA's bootprint. Or more to the point, I wonder if investigators at the time also thought so. Remember, they seem to have had a strong hunch she was involved somehow. (Here is something I just recently learned from a so-called "profiler:" When a female murder victim is covered, that's almost always a sign the perpetrator was female. Supposedly, it's like, 99 percent of such cases. And in THIS case, when the female victim was the ONLY victim covered, AND the covers came off Tina's bed...)
But there is just no reason to think that Marty or Bo was wearing hiking/work boots with his three-piece suit to go to the Keddie Resort Restaurant/Lounge. I'll bet that was one of the biggest reasons they were ruled out as suspects early on.
There's just so much PHYSICAL evidence that Justin, and probably Tina, were directly involved, that I can see why investigators thought so, too. Do we have any way of knowing what kind of shoes JUSTIN was wearing?
And, of course, I'm sure Chuck and Henry owned waffle-soled boots for work and probably wore them all the time. But I don't see how Dana could have left a bootprint in Johnny's blood when Dana had been dead for some time BEFORE Johnny's throat was stabbed. And it can't be Johnny's print either, obviously.
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Post by kmik on Mar 10, 2019 12:59:54 GMT -6
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 12, 2019 20:39:34 GMT -6
 Like these... |
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 13, 2019 14:40:25 GMT -6
You will also notice that the other shoeprints collected (missing triangles of carpet) by DOJ techs includes one that was UNDER Dana's body. That is, shoe prints of a person who stepped in Johnny's blood BEFORE Dana was laid on the cushion. (You can actually see the drip where Johnny's head was lifted. Almost like he had been grabbed by the hair.)
And there are NO other person's shoeprints visible in that photo. Just ONE. They lead from below the cushion, (lifting Johnny's head and stepping in his blood and then back on the cushion with the right foot) and helping carry Johnny over to where he was found and then turning around and walking back (and then maybe stepping on the cushion) helping put Dana in the same place.
And if--IF--that IS Tina's GASS shoeprints, then she HELPED. Police at the time SEEM to have had some pretty solid reason for thinking so. Is this that reason?
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Post by snoho17 on May 25, 2019 19:28:35 GMT -6
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Post by kmik on May 26, 2019 6:47:51 GMT -6
According to the report a lady named Roberta Huber, during the canine search for Tina, had found a small shoe print near Spanish Creek but did not think it important until she found a similar print while working another homicide. Don Stoy contacted her on 4-18-81 and at an undisclosed time and date he located the print and photographed it.
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Post by Admin Horan on May 27, 2019 4:31:05 GMT -6
Snoho: I will post this photo when I get a chance. But, you realize that's a 6-inch ruler, right? So, about size 9-10. This tread pattern and size do happen to perfectly match one found near a Golden State Killer crime scene. I'm pretty sure it's an Adidas running shoe...
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 2, 2019 17:34:07 GMT -6
Good lord I didn't notice the 6" ruler. All I could think was my what big feet you have!
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Post by Admin Horan on Jul 3, 2019 6:44:00 GMT -6
BTW the shoeprint near Spanish Creek was DEFINITELY an Adidas running shoe.
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Post by hope on Oct 21, 2020 21:27:55 GMT -6
I think about this thread often. I agree with admin horan, the boot print look small. When I look at the cushion I see 2 definitive boot prints. The one more towards the center looks really small to me. The one near the edge looks like it is larger (although it could be stretched out from the persons weight pushing down on the edge of the cushion?). But the treads look different. The smaller one looks similar to the photo of the GASS boots posted above. Wish these photos were higher resolution. What do you guys think?  |
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Post by kmik on Oct 22, 2020 6:34:28 GMT -6
It definitely could be a boot print I'm just not sure!
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 22, 2020 16:24:18 GMT -6
Looks like a V pattern to me. Marilyn stated justins shoes had been taken, never heard anything about them after
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