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Post by tinkryz5 on May 4, 2019 10:33:22 GMT -6
I always check the updated article on Plumas County News...I hope there will be progress this year. Sue, whether or not she's a good mom, still, she deserves justice as well as the other victims. Even if there will be a shame on other people's side the law should tell the "truth".
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 4, 2019 10:36:52 GMT -6
I'm trying to find some articles about Sue's past life and also her husband as well as her children, and even the other photos like Sue's car being towed...we need to dig everything.
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 4, 2019 10:40:50 GMT -6
By the way about Sue she graduated college, right?because she was taking up a school program am i right? I mean the CETA program where she was being paid..correct me if I'm wrong.Because I'm trying to figure out some things about Sue's family.
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Post by kmik on May 4, 2019 13:56:54 GMT -6
Although Sue did attend FRC I see no evidence of her graduating.
From the PON list: REID, RUSSELL FRC instructor, Sue started one class but dropped out after 9/18/80 <BRADLEY>
We do not know when Sue's car was towed but it can be seen in a police photo taken on the day of the murders. We have tried to find it in aerial photos but cannot. We do have photos of the backyard and the bicycles are still there but we see no car.
To summarize what we have heard about Sue's life before moving to Keddie. Her husband was in the Navy and they moved to Connecticut in 1977 but Sue took the kids and left and went to stay with her mother in law in Missouri then to her sister Jackie's in Oregon. They lived with Jackie (according to Jackie) for over a year and Sue's husband wanted them back so they went back and, according to Sheila, stayed for about 2 weeks (according to Jackie about 6 months) and he kicked them out so they went to Quincy to live with Sue's brother Don. Although Timeline A states that they moved to Quincy in 1977 I think that's when Sue originally left her husband. Her brother Don told Det. Shaver that His sister and family had moved to Calif from Conn, in Sept. of 1979 and had lived at the Claremont Trailer Park until Nov. of 1980.
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Post by Admin Horan on May 4, 2019 17:54:40 GMT -6
Right. That's because the aerial photos were taken on Tuesday. The day of the aerial and dog search.
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 4, 2019 22:11:34 GMT -6
ok thanks for the info because I was also a bit confused abt the timeline, because I've read some stories but some of it tells abt Sue leaving her husband but time is usually not indicated. But all I know is that they had a ten year relationship before she left her husband.maybe I'm right because she got pregnant maybe around 22 yrs old,so maybe around 1967 because she was born on 1945 then around 1977 she left her husband so it's probably ten yrs.they say her husband was abusive and even shiela she said there was a time when their father killed their dog and cooked and that he ate it and she said her Mom didn't like that because she likes dogs as I can see she really likes dogs, i saw her one video having a dog, the one where the dog ran to her and she picked that dog. So I dont think it's in the nature of Sue being a cruel person and yes she kept saying a lot of bad words too, as what one of the witnesses told, but its just like all of us can say bad words,it vey common..but with hurting people or harassing people physically,is definitely abusive. I also would like to know how abusive her husband was. We need to know all of their behavior especially her kids but I'll get to that one very soon...and especially Justin I had a very bad feeling about him like he holds the key to everything. With Marty and Bo yes they might be drug addicts but still that doesn't conclude that they're the killers. Even if Marty is quite a psychopath, still there was no physical evidence of them inside the house during the killing.There was even no sign of forced entry. So even me I can conclude that the fight started inside the house.There was probably an argumentation or misunderstanding that led to the unexpected killing. And hey maybe not even the sole of Marty or Bo's shoes was there after the killing. If only they can trace every footsteps in the house. And by the way what's the exact time of their death? We need to study every single minute of that night too. And yes I know there's a timeline, but then lets say regarding the sickness of Dana, he's diabetic right? And maybe he didnt inject insulin.but I wanna know the exact time too when they arrived inside the house.And the effects of not having or having insulin inside the body.We need to trace everything in their body too. I have a copynof Sue's autopsy report too but I havent read the others yet and I dont have a copy yet. And hey by the way with Marty and Bo, why would they kills Sue immediately? If they're from Mafia i'm sure they will kill her in another way,like everything's clean enough.But the killers that night seem to be running out of time. like (based from the arrangement and the clutters) it was something like something had just gone wrong and after they did it they were in a hurry so they just took some of the materials for killing inside the house like the electrical cord and also the kitchen knife. The killer probably went to the kitchen and got the steak knife. If it was Marty and Bo they would probably kill Sue outside the house if they were only after her. And the way the killers killed them is so much different from what Mafia or drug addicts does. The way of killing that night is like the way teenagers kill. I know how brutal those Mafia kills and even those drug addicts. But lets consider that there was no forced entry so it already answers the question.
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Post by kmik on May 5, 2019 6:31:18 GMT -6
Never heard the story of Sue's ex killing and cooking the dog but it sounds a little far fetched to me. Sheila said in her book that her Dad drank a lot and that he molested her - not sure if she ever told her mom or not. We only have a small amount of info on the kids and almost nothing on Tina, so all we can go by is what we have.
I don't think that Justin is really the key to solving this just because he is the only one who ever claimed to have seen or heard anything. This was Ricky's house and his bedroom shared a wall with the living room so I'd have a hard time believing he didn't hear what was going on even if he was immune to noise and chaos in the house (which I don't believe anyway). Ricky (if he knows anything) would be the key to solving this.
You can find all of the autopsy reports on this forum but we do not know the estimated time of their deaths. We're not even sure what time Johnny and Dana got home so whatever we say is pure speculation. Yes it appears that something started inside the cabin and got out of hand and somebody was either called to come or was already there and if someone was after Sue or wanting to teach Sue a lesson then why not take her to Feather Falls instead of Tina? Or better yet just take them both?
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 5, 2019 6:41:08 GMT -6
By the way I guess this person is also correct..This is about Tina.. rivershimmer • Oct 16, 2017, 4:07 PM Whether or not she was assaulted cannot be determined forensically, because too little of her was discovered too late. But if the motive to kill her was because she was a witness, they could have just killed her there, on the spot, using the same methods they used to kill the others. There was no reason to remove her; in fact, it was more of a risk because they could be seen with her in transport, or she could have gotten away from them at some point.
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 5, 2019 6:46:15 GMT -6
Yes kmik..you're right with the boys and also with Sue. Even me I have this strongest feeling that it started inside the house...
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 5, 2019 6:57:55 GMT -6
Btw this one is another story from reddit.. this might help..
I first heard about this case through a Cayleigh Elise video. It really resonates with me because of how similar the Sharp's lifestyle was to my mother's (she was an air force kid who lived in poverty in a remote cabin in Michigan for a few years). The police screw ups in this case are also frequent and enormous, which has caused a lot of people to theorize that there is a cover up. And I would really love to hear your opinions on that, because IMO there's a ton of evidence to arrest the prime suspects. However, I can't think of a good reason to have a police cover up.
Glenna "Sue" Sharp (36) and her five children moved to cabin 28 in Keddie, CA (in the Sierra Nevada Mountains) in 1980. They'd left Sue's abusive husband James Sharp in 1979 while living in Connecticut and moved to nearby Quincy, CA. Daughter Tina (12) had been molested by a neighbor in Quincy and this incident spurred the move to Keddie. Sheila Sharp (14) moved in with the family in February 1981 after giving birth to a baby in Oregon. The baby was put up for adoption in Oregon. In Keddie, the family of 6 lived in a 2 bedroom cabin. The eldest, Johnny (15) lived in the furnished basement, while younger brothers Greg (5) and Rick (10) shared a bedroom off of the living room. Tina, Sheila, and Sue shared the master bedroom (also off the living room), although Sue frequently slept on the living room couch. The family was living off of food stamps, John Sharp's Navy pension, and a government sponsored work/ education program (called CETA) that Sue was enrolled in. This allowed her to take classes at a local community college and receive a small stipend.
On April 11, 1981 Johnny and a friend, Dana Wingate (17), hitchhiked into Quincy from Keddie. Tina and Sheila spent most of the afternoon at a neighbor's cabin and Sheila stayed the night. Greg, Rick, Tina, and neighbor Justin Smartt all spent the evening at cabin 28. The children went to bed between 10 and 11pm. Sue was seen washing dishes in the kitchen by a neighbor around 10:30 pm. A neighbor heard muffled screaming at 1:15 am, but did not think it particularly odd (there was a bar nearby). On April 12 at 7:45 am, Sheila Sharp returned home to get ready for church. She entered cabin 28 to discover the bodies of Sue, Johnny, and Dana in the living room. She ran to the landlord's cabin to call the police. Neighbors helped the unharmed Rick, Greg, and Justin Smartt climb out of their bedroom window. The Plumas County Sheriff's Office arrived at around 8 am and immediately screwed up. Despite the fact that Sheila and Justin insisted that Tina was missing, it took LE up to a day to actually report this. No one is actually sure how long it took because all records have been modified to make it look as though LE immediately reported Tina missing. Once Tina was reported missing, the California Department of Justice took over the case.
All three victims had been tied up with a combination of medical tape and electrical cords. Since there was no other medical tape in the cabin, this suggests some element of premeditation. Sue's ligatures were the most complicated and she was gagged, which suggests that she was the target. Multiple knifes were used to stab the victims and were recovered at the scene. Multiple hammers and the butt end of a rifle were used to beat Johnny and Sue. One hammer was recovered at the scene, but the other hammer and rifle were not. Dana's cause of death was determined to be strangulation, but the wounds inflicted on Sue and Johnny were so intense that their cause of death could not be determined. Sue's body was covered with a blanket from the master bedroom. The boys' bedroom door was found agar.
Initially, Greg, Rick, and Justin claimed to have slept through the night. However, Justin told a Plumas county officer later that morning that he had a "dream" that two men threw Sue, Tina, Johnny, and Dana off the side of the boat. He quickly confessed to witnessing the murders through the open bedroom door. According to Justin's account, he was woken up when Johnny and Dana returned home around midnight. Sue and two men were in the living room and Sue was on the couch. Johnny and Dana were subdued and tied up by the two men, when Tina entered the room and began shouting. They subdued her and left the cabin with her. Justin's mom, Marilyn, gave his shoes- which were covered in blood splatter- to Plumas County LE, who lost them.
The primary suspects in the murders are Marty Smartt, Justin's step father and a close friend of the Plumas County sheriff, and a man named Bo Boubede. Marty and Bo met at a VA hospital in Reno about 2 weeks before the murders. Marty had a strained relationship with Sue Sharp and Marilyn. Their marriage was strained and Sue was encouraging Marilyn to leave with her children. Bo had served time for an armed robbery in Illinois and may have had connections to the Vegas and Chicago mobs. On April 11, 1981, Bo, Marty, and Marilyn went to a local bar. They briefly left to see if Sue would join them around 10:30 pm, but she declined. They returned to their cabin around 1 am and Marilyn says she fell asleep shortly after. A bar employee said they heard men arguing with a woman around 2:30 am. They also heard something being loaded into the trunk of a car. The morning of April 12, before Sheila discovered the bodies, Bo, Marty, and a neighbor left to take Bo to the VA hospital in Reno.
Despite his friendly relationship with the sheriff, Marty was interviewed by the Department of Justice and he made some interesting statements. The most incriminating concerned the use of a hammer in the murders and the fact that he had recently lost a hammer. Marilyn allegedly saw this hammer in their basement immediately after the murder. She also received a letter from Marty where he confessed to the murders, but has since retracted her these claims. FWIW Marilyn claimed to have seen and/or heard a lot of things and has retracted pretty much all of these claims. Bo was also interviewed by LE, but quickly moved to Oregon, started going by a new name, and died in 1988. Marty confessed to a therapist that he killed Sue and Tina, but implied that at least two other people helped kill Johnny and Dana. Marty died from prostate cancer in 2006.
LE currently believes that at least one other person was involved due to some anonymous tips they received. In 1984 a skull and other bones were discovered near Camp Eighteen, CA about 60 miles (and a 2 1/2 hour drive) from Keddie. An anonymous caller, who police have confirmed was not Bo or Marty, said that the skull might be linked to a 1981 murder in Keddie. The skull was identified as Tina Sharp's. Cause of death could not be determined, but the tape recording of the call was recently found in an unmarked box in the Plumas County Sheriff's Office. An anonymous tip may have also led to the 2016 discovery of Marty Sharp's missing hammer. As of March 24, it was being tested for DNA evidence.
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 5, 2019 7:03:31 GMT -6
So somebody saw Sue washing dishes around 10:30pm..and somebody heard screams around 1:15 am...so maybe I think they died around 1 or 2am.. and if it is premeditated perhaps maybe kids did it.
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 5, 2019 7:10:23 GMT -6
By the way about Sue's husband killing a dog I saw the video well i remember I think it was the paranormal investigation on youtube in which they interviewed Shiela Sharp and one of them talked abt her husband that he killed a dog and ate it.I'm not quite sure if it was shiela or maybe the psychic because they were also communicating with another psychic regarding the murders.
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Post by kmik on May 5, 2019 9:15:06 GMT -6
The dog story was about Marty Smartt not Sue's husband and it was reported by Kathy Beckley and supposedly was told at FRC (and was probably a joke if it happened at all). Tina was supposedly doing dishes around 7:30 and a neighbor Tom Schmid saw a female doing dishes around that time. I'm not into the psychic stuff and I don't believe anything they say and it's better to get info from the timelines and statements made to the police around the time of the murders. If Marty had any knowledge of the murder scene it could very well have been from local talk or from Justin himself who claimed to have knowledge. We have no idea if the medical tape or pellet gun came from Cabin 28.
The letter Marty wrote Marilyn was a love letter and both letters are on this forum for anyone to read. Problem is no tv show or news article has ever published it in its entirety - if so there would be little doubt that this was a love letter and not murder confession.
Marty Smartt's friendship to Doug Thomas was probably nothing more than acquaintance. Marty probably embellished that to make him look like he was friends with LE. A lot of people in our little town think they are best buds with the sheriff just because he speaks to everyone he sees.
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 6, 2019 0:38:22 GMT -6
Ok.Yes even me with the psychics I doubt some of the things they say..
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Post by tinkryz5 on May 8, 2019 6:14:36 GMT -6
By the way I would like to ask when is the correct birthday of Sue..is it March 24,25 or 29? Because Ive seen these dates on the internet and i dont know which one is correct. And also I noticed that the day of their death is just a few days after Sue's birthday. Does anyone here know what happened during Sue's birthday?who were the people with them during her birthday?or was there any argument that time?the killer might have planned too that it should be after her birthday (if ever it was planned)
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