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Post by goblin on Dec 19, 2019 16:56:52 GMT -6
Well, the whole PR campaign has been centered around "Bo and Marty did it. So put us on TV." To get a grant for DNA testing, they'd have to say, "We're stumped." Remember--they'd also have to get DNA from Marty's kids, right? I don't think they have Marty's DNA lying around. If they do, he's been ruled out. I do NOT see Marty's kids voluntarily contributing their DNA now. Remember something else--there's a very, VERY good chance that Hagwood IS covering for SOMEBODY. Maybe not for murder, but any outside review of this case is going to once again bring in outside investigators like Crim and Bradley, whose reputations have been tarred and feathered by all this. I don't see Hagwood inviting scrutiny of himself and his department from the DOJ or the FBI. Now, here's an interesting question, IMHO: Where is Dana's diabetic kit? Not to mention the air rifle. If it's true that someone had been holding on to a duffle bag, that may or may not have contained some or all of those items, then what were they holding onto it for? Blackmail? Do they, or someone else, still have it? I wonder if perhaps he left it at KB's house, assuming he'd be back down in Quincy the next morning and likely seeing KB at that time. I think this is one of the very few cases (if not the only case) where even after all of these years, there are so many puzzling details unaccounted for.
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Post by goblin on Dec 19, 2019 17:09:09 GMT -6
I agree and yes I believe that Marty knew Marilyn was pointing fingers at him. I fully believe that the DOJ talked to Marty about the Cheeseman/Reno counselor report in 1981 because Josh Seabold wrote an article for the paper in 2011 and said the PCSO let him see the follow up report.
I'm back and fourth myself on what I believe but I do not believe (from the files we have) that Marty was ever a good suspect - just someone conveniently pointed out to LE by Marilyn and the Meeks. And no way all those that had a hand in the investigation covered for Martin Ray Smartt or any drug coverup created by Doug Thomas. Doug Thomas has never shied away from being interviewed, even Josh said in his book he was more than helpful. Also, Marty apparently passed a polygraph. I know guilty people have managed to pass polygraphs with flying colors, but those people always seem to be cool, calm, collected individuals, fully in control of the environment and bodily reactions. But for Marty, an alleged hothead with a "speed" addiction, to sit down and pass a polygraph with flying colors? I can't reconcile those two images. I believe there are a lot of LE involved in this case that have a plethora of dirty little secrets of their own, but I'm not convinced they were all in cahoots to protect Marty, Bo, and Marilyn. For what purpose? Because Doug Thomas was friends (or friendly) with Marty? Sure, once Marty passed the polygraph, I understand DT as a friend telling Marty that he might want to ease on down the road, but as far as covering up for a murder Marty had committed? I somehow doubt DT and MT were so close that DT would have covertly enlisted all of the involved LE to go along with that coverup. Although I'm certainly willing to change my mind and examine other viewpoints, I just always seem to go back to this being drug related and maybe Marty and Bo weren't involved in it at all. (I say this as someone who also lives in a tiny mountain community and understand how quickly the rumor mill kicks into action...I can imagine Keddie and Quincy were afire with gossip, innuendo, rumor....and fact mixed in.)
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Post by kmik on Dec 19, 2019 22:05:41 GMT -6
You're right Goblin - here is a 1994 statement made by Don Stoy to the FRB :
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Post by camfaults on Dec 19, 2019 23:37:32 GMT -6
I agree and yes I believe that Marty knew Marilyn was pointing fingers at him. I fully believe that the DOJ talked to Marty about the Cheeseman/Reno counselor report in 1981 because Josh Seabold wrote an article for the paper in 2011 and said the PCSO let him see the follow up report.
I'm back and fourth myself on what I believe but I do not believe (from the files we have) that Marty was ever a good suspect - just someone conveniently pointed out to LE by Marilyn and the Meeks. And no way all those that had a hand in the investigation covered for Martin Ray Smartt or any drug coverup created by Doug Thomas. Doug Thomas has never shied away from being interviewed, even Josh said in his book he was more than helpful. I agree. So far, and this could change with further research, but I think the Meeks family had the most to gain. I would like to know more about the friendship between Richard Meeks and Johnny Sharp. Is their friendship how Sheila Sharp came to know Richard Meeks, or did the boys strike up a friendship due to Sheila liking Richard? The Glenna Meeks-Sue Sharp friendship is another interesting dynamic. Some accounts say they were friends or their boys were friends. On Josh's documentary, Glenna Meeks makes a comment during the cemetery footage that doesn't sit right with me. She says they were best friends, their kids were best friends. But if they were such best friends, then why did Sue send a pregnant Sheila to Oregon relatives instead of joining forces with Glenna Meeks to welcome a little Meeks-Sharp into the families? Why send Sheila away if everyone knew she was pregnant? There are a lot of holes in these stories.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 23, 2019 4:45:34 GMT -6
Well, I think that if Dana had left his duffle bag/diabetic kit at Kathy's house, she would have turned it in to police.
I suggest that Dana left it where he was killed.
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Post by kay on Dec 24, 2019 13:37:59 GMT -6
Well, I think that if Dana had left his duffle bag/diabetic kit at Kathy's house, she would have turned it in to police. I suggest that Dana left it where he was killed. Unless Kathy dumped it in fear of being caught sleeping with Dana or if anything else was going on? Maybe
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Post by raemen2 on Dec 24, 2019 14:50:57 GMT -6
Justin states during hypnosis that Dana was “almost drunk” which IMHO maybe the most factual statement he made during the session. Johnny wasn’t almost drunk, nor was Sue, which could indicate Dana was going into a a crisis state, due to lack of his insulin. I wonder if LE ever contacted his physician to clarify what kind of insulin/ how often he was required to take the injections.... there should be a time factor there based on his last known injection (roughly 7:30 pm, if that is true) which could indicate what time the boys arrived at the cabin. Why did/would Dana allow himself to reach a crisis point.... perhaps, the boys, prior to arriving at 28, were involved in an altercation and the kit was taken from him ( I could see the kit being intriguing. Maybe, unfortunately, the trouble followed them home.
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Post by kay on Dec 25, 2019 0:36:29 GMT -6
The thing with what Justin says is I don’t know how much of it I believe. I mean he could be right Dana could have been “acting drunk” or in insulin shock or something like that or he could have been wobbling from getting the crap beat out of him. Who knows, we won’t know until Justin decides to tell the truth
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 27, 2019 8:43:02 GMT -6
Dana was Type I diabetic. He would have taken both kinds of insulin--a "fast-acting" Humalog before meals, and a "time-release" Lantus before bedtime. If he gave himself a shot at Kathy Beckeley's house, but DIDN'T eat soon after, he could EASILY go into insulin shock. The autopsy report indicates he may have had a candy bar not long before death--that's the diabetic's cure for insulin shock. I don't see him giving himself a bedtime shot that early.
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Post by kmik on Sept 27, 2020 20:55:53 GMT -6
Ok let me see if I've got this right. In some of the reports of statements by people at the bar that night the DOJ/PCSO failed to identify the 2 men in suits and lady in off white dress as Marty, Bo, and Marilyn so that is suppose to imply that the DOJ/PCSO (as part of the coverup) didn't want it recorded that MB&M were actually seen at the bar?? Seems to me if they were trying to cover for MB&M they would have been glad to report that they danced the night away at the Keddie bar instead of over at 28 committing murder.
Oh my I'm so confused - this is all so far fetched and stretched
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Post by kmik on Jan 1, 2021 18:57:33 GMT -6
The address, space #, and phone number that Joey gave to the police in 1981 is the same one listed in the FRB to contact if you want to rent a space at the trailer court. So was Joey's mom or dad the office manager? The only street address I found linked to the Armory Trailer Court is Redburg Avenue - the same street that Donna Williams was reported (to Shanks) to have lived on in 1981. Donna and Joey are two people who claimed to have taken the boys home that night - kinda odd. Is that because they did take them home or knew the person that did?
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Post by kmik on Jan 5, 2021 19:57:12 GMT -6
Gimme some more worthless info on Dee Lake, please. Wonder how much time was wasted on Dee Lake saying the same old things (but at least it checks him off the list).
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Absolutely WORTHLESS. I don't care what Justin did or did not tell in 2010 because he's been stamped as "COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE". If LE thought Sheila was a liar what do they think of Justin? If Marty was in 28 threatening anyone then Justin has had more than enough time since Marty's passing to tell that story. And if Justin was too scared of Martin Smart (long after his passing) then Ricky or Greg could have stepped up to the plate and revealed this piece of info - but they didn't.
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