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Tina
Jan 8, 2020 1:29:53 GMT -6
Post by camfaults on Jan 8, 2020 1:29:53 GMT -6
I wonder if there was any jealousy between the sisters. Having a baby at 13 had to be scary and confusing. I still have a hard time with Sue sending her away. Sending a pregnant girl away from home to have her baby sounds so 1950s. That's what parents did when they wanted to hide the pregnancy from neighbors to prevent gossip, etc. Another issue to consider is Sheila's state of mind after the pregnancy and separation from her child. Was she suffering from postpartum depression?
Has law enforcement ever provided a reason for why Tina stayed home that Saturday morning while Sue drove Sheila, Ricky, Greg and Jamie into Quincy? And, why did Sheila go visit Alice Thompson while her mother was at the Meeks residence? Did she not want to see Richard? Or were the mothers discussing something they did not want their children to hear?
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Post by kmik on Jan 8, 2020 7:40:53 GMT -6
Girls are nowhere near maturity at the age of 13 and I think that Sue most definitely did the best thing sending her off to give the baby up for adoption. I can't remember if she stayed at a home or at Jackie's but either way she was in Oregon where Jackie was so she wasn't alone she was near family (just a few years earlier they had lived with Jackie for almost a year). I know she said in her book that Sue took her to Oregon in November and in December Sue had her take the bus home for Christmas and in February Sue went there when she had the baby (she was only gone 3 months). I'm sure she mourned to some degree for the baby she left but when she came home her life pretty much went back to normal no baby to take care of and no one asking questions.
I'm sure the police know why Tina stayed home that morning but we don't know. Maybe Sheila only went along to see Alice who lived just across the road from the Meeks? No mention of Johnny or Richard being at the Meeks house that morning and Johnny had spent the night with Richard so it's possible Sue went there to pick him up. If she really didn't want Sheila going around the Meeks she could have left her to babysit Tina but she didn't. I can't imagine there not being some hard feelings either way when Sheila got pregnant but Johnny was still spending every Friday night at the Meeks house and Richard and Walter were seen several time at the Sharps house in Keddie according to Mr. Seabolt (we've all seen the pic of Richard and Johnny playing cards at the kitchen table of 28).
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Post by kay on Jan 8, 2020 14:38:02 GMT -6
Johnny knew that Sheila was pregnant, but did Sheila or Sue ever tell the kids the father was Richard? Could explain why Johnny wasn’t upset that his 15 year old friend got his 13 year old sister pregnant when apparently he was always sticking up for the family and getting into trouble
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Tina
May 23, 2020 11:48:00 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:48:00 GMT -6
Rewatched keddie28's YouTube video posted of Sue's sister's interview.
I thought it was interesting that she mentioned that Tina was taking medication for hyperactivity, but she stopped taking the medication.
From the interview, Sue's sister says she did not believe that Tina was hyperactive.
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Tina
Aug 19, 2020 10:53:17 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 10:53:17 GMT -6
May 6, 2018 10:26:17 GMT -4 kmik said: 9:00 – 9:30 pm Tina asked James Seabolt, Sr, what time it was and then she went home, stated Seabolt. Approximate time: 9:30 - 9:40 (copied/pasted from kmik's previous forum post) Although people have speculated who sent or why Tina went home on, I found it interesting that Tina asked Mr. Seabolt what time was it, then left the Seabolt's to go home. Does anyone have Mr. S's timeline? What time did he leave to cut firewood? When did he return from cutting firewood? Where did he go to cut firewood? Did C.W. and H.T. possibly see Mr. S. at the store when they were leaving Keddie? Was he a carpenter? Did Shelia mention that her mother had a disagreement w/ Mr. S.? Were there rumors about Mr. S.?
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Tina
Aug 19, 2020 15:23:25 GMT -6
Post by karis on Aug 19, 2020 15:23:25 GMT -6
810411-2130a/b Tina asked James Seabolt, Sr, what time it was and then she went home, stated Seabolt. Approximate time: 9:30-9:40
Good point jsusang!! I had forgot that. So unless Mr. Seabolt lied Tina left going back home around 9:30.
SEABOLT, JAMES (SR) Went wood cutting 4/12/81 before crime discovered, heard nothing night before, see Vicky Rhodes, found #6451 on window sill where John used to sleep, saw wht/grn Blazer at Krois', daughter found clothing in river <CRIM>/<FORCINO>/ <SHAVER>
It is on the forum somewhere that he left around 4:30am or 5:00am. I just can't find it right now. He was the caretaker (i guess that what you would call it) so yes he was a carpenter.
There was something said about Sue having an argument with him but i'm not sure who it came from so i would discount that.
Good thought about CW and HT. Never thought about that. He definitely left Keddie early that morning according to him. But then Sheila tells in her book the Jamie and his FATHER got the boys out of the window. Who do you believe?
Martel Grimm said in the documentary that she "thought it was James Seabolt. He had a thing with a couple of girls going on down there".
But the FRB reportS an incident with James Sr. for an underage girl. Then the paper retracts it saying it was Jr. So i'm not sure if it was really Sr. or Jr.
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Tina
Feb 25, 2021 15:24:37 GMT -6
Post by kmik on Feb 25, 2021 15:24:37 GMT -6
We all know, by what little we have seen, that people were questioned about Tina. What was said that we have not seen? I cannot believe how many people have bashed LE for entertaining the idea that Tina could have some way been involved. Her body was discovered April 22, 1984 not 4-12-81 so they had every right and obligation to question if she was somehow involved - as part of a thorough investigation.
They may have soon "thought" it was Tina missing from 28 but thinking and confirming are two different things. Every show or podcast I've ever listened to always make it clear that, even if they are 99% sure of who the victim is, they still have to have a positive identification before making it public. Don Davis was asked twice that day to identify Sue's body to confirm it was Sue so they would know who it was they were looking for.
After discovering it was Tina missing the question had to be did she leave willingly or was she kidnapped? From what little info we have on Tina it's hard to decide.
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Nov 21, 2021 2:35:56 GMT -6
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Post by camfaults on Nov 21, 2021 2:35:56 GMT -6
Has there been a reason given as to why Tina did not accompany her mother, Sheila, Ricky, Greg and Justin Eason when Sue drove them all to Quincy at 9:30 a.m. on 11 Apr 1981? (Please correct me if I have this wrong.) From what I have gathered, Sue dropped Ricky and Justin at baseball practice, drove to the Meeks' residence, then Sheila walked to Alice Thompson's house. Why did Tina stay in Keddie by herself? Was she grounded? Was she supposed to do some kind of chore or chores? Was there an issue with Tina and a Meeks boy? That could account for Sue leaving Tina at home and only taking the youngest child to the Meeks house.
Here we have a 12-year-old girl staying home by herself and later that night she is abducted from the same cabin. Did she stay home for ulterior motives, such as seeing a boy or man?
Sheila stated that Tina had not started her cycle yet. If that is a true statement, then the possibility of Tina being pregnant lessens.
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Post by kmik on Nov 21, 2021 10:13:16 GMT -6
I haven't read anything about why Tina did not accompany them to Quincy on Saturday morning but since that's something most of us want to know I bet LE did too. I'm hoping that Sheila and/or Ricky were asked that question.
I don't know Cam but I have read that a girl can become pregnant before she starts having a period. Nobody would have known if she was or wasn't unless she had been given a pregnancy test? Then again a lot of young girls claim to be pregnant for attention so we just don't know if the pregnancy thing was a real issue or just some rumor started after the murders - I tend to think it started before the murders but none of us outside of LE have ever seen enough info on Tina to say either way.
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Tina
Nov 23, 2021 2:46:10 GMT -6
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Post by camfaults on Nov 23, 2021 2:46:10 GMT -6
I don't know Cam but I have read that a girl can become pregnant before she starts having a period. Nobody would have known if she was or wasn't unless she had been given a pregnancy test? Then again a lot of young girls claim to be pregnant for attention so we just don't know if the pregnancy thing was a real issue or just some rumor started after the murders - I tend to think it started before the murders but none of us outside of LE have ever seen enough info on Tina to say either way. True. And considering how young (13) Sheila was when she became pregnant, Tina may have been the same. These poor girls. So much sexual abuse.
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Mar 4, 2022 1:17:17 GMT -6
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Post by lanao on Mar 4, 2022 1:17:17 GMT -6
Hi all, sorry I’m new to this case - well I watched a couple of documentaries etc years ago but it focused only on Marty and Bo which led me to feel they were responsible but now I’ve read all your comments and listened to the podcast and my heads going to explode….this case is like the biggest spider web ever!!! I had no idea how much was going on with these kids but anyway I just want to ask some questions I have burning and I apologise if they’ve been answered elsewhere….
1. A lot of people feel Sheila may have pre planned this possibly at least in regards to her mother so she could go back to Oregon but why were the two boys killed and it really appears based on physical evidence they were killed before Sue and with no defence wounds - both boys were feisty by nature yes? They would’ve put up a fight if they’d seen it coming - who bound them willingly before murdering them??
2. Also, is there anymore info on Tina’s molestation report? All I’ve seen was that there was a report made but no details as to who or what had happened to her?
3. As much as I feel Justin’s behaviour/statements is really concerning in Josh’s documentary what bothered me a lot was both Justin and Marilyn said that after the boys were taken out through the window Justin was taken to a police car to be questioned and apparently Justin kept saying “Tina’s missing, that’s Sue in there, Tina is missing”……if he’s come out through the window how would he know Tina’s missing and it’s Sue under the blanket - that’s more than a dream that’s basically knowing exactly who’s missing and who’s in the living room?! But I still can’t help but think he’s 12….I know kids commit Murder but could a 12 year old or even two 12 year olds do all of that? Would a 12 year old take off a brown woman’s underwear and shove it down her throat and gag her? It’s very full on but not impossible…..
4. Either way the scene is chaotic and a mess and the causes of death etc makes me think it was younger people who got in over their heads - Johnny and Dana bother me the most though - how were they bound before being attacked - or were they knocked unconscious before being bound and then attacked? No defensive wounds on two teenage boys who were known not to back down from a fight…….as far as we know
Argh this case - too many people in an intricate web and not a single statement of truth I feel….I just hope with modern technology and testing the physical evidence will finally give us closure because we aren’t going to get anything from a living witness
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Tina
Mar 4, 2022 7:49:14 GMT -6
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Post by kmik on Mar 4, 2022 7:49:14 GMT -6
Hello Lanao and thanks for joining! This case really draws people in because there are so many directions to go in. Here's some thoughts on your questions: 1. I think people think she was involved because of the baby that was put up for adoption. But if she wanted to kill Sue then why not before she had to give her baby up? I've never seen any report stating that she had any animosity towards Sue over this or anything else. My close friend had a baby she gave up for adoption when she was 15 and her guilt over that did not come for years after she had her own children. The boys dying heroes by running to Sue's defense just isn't what the evidence shows, and not because they wouldn't have, it just seems that was never an option because they were already down or dying by the time she entered the room. 2. It's obvious when reading the molesting report that Tina knew what she was doing and it's so very sad. I thought the report was on here but here's a link to it on MK's forum - www.tapatalk.com/groups/keddiecoldcase/d-french-and-tina-s-molestation-report-11-pages-t36.html 3. I don't want to think it's possible for a 12 or 13 year old child to be involved in a murder but the reality is it does happen. I do not know if that's the case here but I do know from all of the reports I have read there is nobody else's DNA in the cabin but the victims. Mike Gamberg has said "some" of the killers wore gloves - so are we to believe they came prepared with gloves but no weapons - because the weapons used in these murders were weapons of opportunity - if "some" wore gloves does that mean they have DNA or prints from the "others" that didn't wear gloves?? Again DNA findings match the vicitms There is no room for a decent discussion on the possibility of Tina and/or Justin being involved because it's just a road that nobody wants to go down because they feel they are victim bashing or they think it's just not possible. All of these victims had problems but they absolutely did not deserve to die but what they do deserve is for the truth to be told and there is no possible way to get to the truth without investigating Tina's possible involvement. Start within and work your way out - From what I have read the evidence has been retested over the years (remember they identified Justin's on the tape) and there is nobody else's DNA in that cabin. We all want to find a great suspect to link to these murders - me and Karis know the people on the PON list better than our own family - and most have lived rough lives but it doesn't make them killers nor should they be looked at any harder than Tina or Justin. This is from the FBI Victims Background report on Tina:
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Mar 4, 2022 10:05:20 GMT -6
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Post by lanao on Mar 4, 2022 10:05:20 GMT -6
Hello Lanao and thanks for joining! This case really draws people in because there are so many directions to go in. Here's some thoughts on your questions: 1. I think people think she was involved because of the baby that was put up for adoption. But if she wanted to kill Sue then why not before she had to give her baby up? I've never seen any report stating that she had any animosity towards Sue over this or anything else. My close friend had a baby she gave up for adoption when she was 15 and her guilt over that did not come for years after she had her own children. The boys dying heroes by running to Sue's defense just isn't what the evidence shows, and not because they wouldn't have, it just seems that was never an option because they were already down or dying by the time she entered the room. 2. It's obvious when reading the molesting report that Tina knew what she was doing and it's so very sad. I thought the report was on here but here's a link to it on MK's forum - www.tapatalk.com/groups/keddiecoldcase/d-french-and-tina-s-molestation-report-11-pages-t36.html 3. I don't want to think it's possible for a 12 or 13 year old child to be involved in a murder but the reality is it does happen. I do not know if that's the case here but I do know from all of the reports I have read there is nobody else's DNA in the cabin but the victims. Mike Gamberg has said "some" of the killers wore gloves - so are we to believe they came prepared with gloves but no weapons - because the weapons used in these murders were weapons of opportunity - if "some" wore gloves does that mean they have DNA or prints from the "others" that didn't wear gloves?? Again DNA findings match the vicitms There is no room for a decent discussion on the possibility of Tina and/or Justin being involved because it's just a road that nobody wants to go down because they feel they are victim bashing or they think it's just not possible. All of these victims had problems but they absolutely did not deserve to die but what they do deserve is for the truth to be told and there is no possible way to get to the truth without investigating Tina's possible involvement. Start within and work your way out - From what I have read the evidence has been retested over the years (remember they identified Justin's on the tape) and there is nobody else's DNA in that cabin. We all want to find a great suspect to link to these murders - me and Karis know the people on the PON list better than our own family - and most have lived rough lives but it doesn't make them killers nor should they be looked at any harder than Tina or Justin. This is from the FBI Victims Background report on Tina:
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Mar 4, 2022 10:05:52 GMT -6
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Post by lanao on Mar 4, 2022 10:05:52 GMT -6
Hello Lanao and thanks for joining! This case really draws people in because there are so many directions to go in. Here's some thoughts on your questions: 1. I think people think she was involved because of the baby that was put up for adoption. But if she wanted to kill Sue then why not before she had to give her baby up? I've never seen any report stating that she had any animosity towards Sue over this or anything else. My close friend had a baby she gave up for adoption when she was 15 and her guilt over that did not come for years after she had her own children. The boys dying heroes by running to Sue's defense just isn't what the evidence shows, and not because they wouldn't have, it just seems that was never an option because they were already down or dying by the time she entered the room. 2. It's obvious when reading the molesting report that Tina knew what she was doing and it's so very sad. I thought the report was on here but here's a link to it on MK's forum - www.tapatalk.com/groups/keddiecoldcase/d-french-and-tina-s-molestation-report-11-pages-t36.html 3. I don't want to think it's possible for a 12 or 13 year old child to be involved in a murder but the reality is it does happen. I do not know if that's the case here but I do know from all of the reports I have read there is nobody else's DNA in the cabin but the victims. Mike Gamberg has said "some" of the killers wore gloves - so are we to believe they came prepared with gloves but no weapons - because the weapons used in these murders were weapons of opportunity - if "some" wore gloves does that mean they have DNA or prints from the "others" that didn't wear gloves?? Again DNA findings match the vicitms There is no room for a decent discussion on the possibility of Tina and/or Justin being involved because it's just a road that nobody wants to go down because they feel they are victim bashing or they think it's just not possible. All of these victims had problems but they absolutely did not deserve to die but what they do deserve is for the truth to be told and there is no possible way to get to the truth without investigating Tina's possible involvement. Start within and work your way out - From what I have read the evidence has been retested over the years (remember they identified Justin's on the tape) and there is nobody else's DNA in that cabin. We all want to find a great suspect to link to these murders - me and Karis know the people on the PON list better than our own family - and most have lived rough lives but it doesn't make them killers nor should they be looked at any harder than Tina or Justin. This is from the FBI Victims Background report on Tina:
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Post by lanao on Mar 4, 2022 10:13:19 GMT -6
Thank you for taking the time out to reply…yes, this case is just mind boggling. There’s endless possibilities and people of interest yet no real solid information to really point to what happened. I still keep going back to the boys being subdued and killed first which makes me think they had at least two others with them when they entered the cabin and maybe it was drug related argument but then why has no dna been found other than those present in the cabin that night…? The cabins gone so it can’t be re-examined and too much time has passed but with all that tape and wires and murder weapons I would’ve though dna from atleast one outside person would’ve shown up but it hasn’t….did Sheila ever get custody of the baby she gave up for adoption? I’m still not convinced she or Tina were involved in the murders in anyway but perhaps they knew more or know something? There just seems to be so many people involved in each others lives that it’s difficult to understand a clear motive as the crime scene is chaotic, looks opportunistic or to a degree like it certainly wasn’t planned….if only Tina had been found sooner her body may have been able to reveal more but this entire case is just tragic and these victims deserve the truth to come out and someone or I think a number of people know more…..
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