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Apr 29, 2018 20:24:15 GMT -6
Post by Joe mcPlumber on Apr 29, 2018 20:24:15 GMT -6
I'm just here to make the same respectful request as i have elsewhere, i.e.,
I don't see why this case can't be respectfully discussed using pseudonyms. Given names could be placed in a non-public section for reference if needed and made opaque to search engine.
The fact is that the mere association of a name with such heinous crime is off-putting to the very sort of people who search for names. Prospective employers, amateur genealogists, even prospective dates.
If you will even entertain the possibility that Marty didnt do this thing then you must also entertain the possibility that ANY given POI is entirely innocent of anything to do with it other than being there at the time, and thus unworthy of having his or her name mucked up in public.
Can't say i'm sorry for dmac getting doxed because that could be deemed karmic, but still i never did it to him for the same reason as i didnt want him to do it to me.
Thank you for reading. -jb
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 30, 2018 11:08:52 GMT -6
Joe: Welcome, and thanks for posting!
I’m glad you brought up a few things that I should probably make clear to anyone and everyone:
1. I have NOT “doxxed” McNarie. “Doxxing” is publishing people’s address, phone number, etc. I have NOT done that. To McNarie, or anyone else. But I have and will use McNarie’s real name.
2. I have no idea who you are. But we don’t use kmik’s real name, meankitty’s real name, etc. That’s not because I’m “nice.” That’s because it’s not necessary. Who decides? I do.
3. I have over 30 years experience as a journalist AND as a private investigator. I know the law, and more importantly, I have the best libel attorney in the country. I don’t publish information that I can’t legally publish. Like it or not, information that has already been published, or shown publicly on TV or documentaries, etc, is fair game.
4. I make no pretense of being able to “solve” this so-called “case.” I don’t even like the “True-Crime” entertainment business. But I’ve been asked to debunk the “case” against Martin Smartt and John Boubede. So, that’s what I’m doing. If that hurts someone’s feelings, tough shit.
5. 37 years of feeling sorry for Sheila Sharp, Tina Sharp, Johnny and Dana, Justin Eason, blah blah blah, has produced ZERO new leads in this so-called “case.” A big reason for that is Hagwood, Gamberg, Josh Hancock, Jesse, and David McNarie. They’ve done a LOT of damage. If we can clear up some of that damage by ACCURATELY reporting on the documents they’ve released, and on the horseshit statements they and other people like Glenna Meeks and Marilyn Eason and a whole rabble of Plumas “people” have been making on the internet, we will.
6. If Cary Walke can’t get a date because he’s a convicted child molester, tough shit. If Marylin Eason’s current husband can’t get a job because he’s a convicted child rapist, tough shit. If Josh Hancock can’t get another full time teaching job because of what he did at work, tough shit. If Henry Thompson doesn’t like being discussed as a possible “suspect” in this case, he can sue PCSO for “leaking” those reports.
7. Etc etc etc.
8. For all I know, you ARE Jesse, or Ricky Sharp, or Justin Eason, or any number of people. That’s the risk you take when you use an Internet handle. So, no, I won’t be pulling ANY punches with ANY information I can legally publish, if it’s important. Who decides what’s important? I do.
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May 4, 2018 18:03:15 GMT -6
Post by jmo on May 4, 2018 18:03:15 GMT -6
Yes, Joe McP. I agree and maybe we should just use pseudonyms.
With that said, I hope you don't mind if I ask a few questions. It's been said by D (and J now) on D's page that you were riding around that night with DM and PS and you had run into JS and DW and maybe MS and some guy in fatigues--I think at the Exxon or bar? Did you see MS, DL, MS, and BB around? What about J? Did you know the S family? They seem odd to me. Also, GS was having problems with a friend, not sure if it was DJ or who but do you know about any of that? (For all we know it could have been MG FFS. haha) Did you see RM or CM that night? Was SS hanging with AS? Do you know of any plans they may have had? What about TS? Do you remember? I would also be interested in CW, CW, or SD (which we still can't figure out if it's really SD or SM--so many Ss, you know). And, WD has always interested me. I don't know if he was a nice guy or not. I guess it depends on who you ask. It would help a lot if you could clear that up, now knowing you two were good friends (well according to D and J). I've been on vacation and admit I'm a bit behind here. Thanks!
As far as David Craig McNarie goes, he deserves to be called (out) by his full name. My mama always said, "If you see a pile of shit, don't step in it and certainly don't scoop it up and take a taste." He's done this. All by himself. Do we care about his XYZ sort of life? Nope. He calls people MURDERERS and tells people to F his own dead mother. He's his own worst enemy. David screams about accountabilty, but seems to hold himself to none. Zero.
Luckily we're only here to discuss theories and cross some Ts and dot some Is. I won't ever call you by name. Joe McP is fine by me. :-)
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May 4, 2018 19:37:12 GMT -6
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Post by kmik on May 4, 2018 19:37:12 GMT -6
JMO, there is no better word to define your contribution to this forum but "PRICELESS"! I don't think there has ever been a more comical (yet TRUE) post written.
The funny truth is that if 28 started using all those pseudonyms he'd loose 99% of his forum as most of them know absolutely no initials past MS, MS, BB. They might even be stumped by the two MS since Marilyn is pretty much known only as "Loon" over there. Maybe Mike should be given the pseudonym test. I'd like to know just how familiar he is with anything past MS and BB.
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Post by Admin Horan on May 6, 2018 9:28:12 GMT -6
Well, let me lay it on the line. This is not really a "fan" site. I'm not here for fun. I'm here to debunk lies that have been published for the purpose of cashing in on other peoples' murders and other terrible crimes.
I don't care if Sue Sharp "deserved" to be murdered, or not. What I get tired of is People Magazine and Discovery and History and Dateline and Simon and Schuster and a thousand others getting rich off LYING about Sue Sharp's murder. It's bad enough that vultures profit from more or less "truthfully" reporting on high-profile cases, but lying about murder is just too much, as far as I'm concerned.
In THIS case, of course, the big lie everyone is trying to profit from is the cheap and lazy expedient of framing to two DEAD guys for a mulitple murder they very, very likely did not commit.
Whatever "facts," including people's real names, that have been discussed here have been revealed ALREADY. If people like the Meekses or the Easons or the Walkes or whoever have been telling the truth, then they have nothing to bitch about. If they've been lying, well, tough shit. That's what you get for lying.
You know why "Joe McPlumber" goes around feeling sorry for "some people" in this case? Because, one of the facts in this case is, Dale Wade Meeks and John Blaine Grubert BOTH jumped on Martin Smartt's wife Marilyn BEFORE Marty even left town. Coincidentally enough, John Blaine Grubert and Dale Wade Meeks simultaneously lied to police, and got Phillip Shearer to lie to police, about material facts in this case. Including, but not limited to, lies about the man whose wife they jumped on like flies on shit. Lies that frame said lawfully married husband for multiple murders. Conveniently, since, you know, they were all sleeping with his "wife." And that's not even the most disgusting thing those three have done. For one thing, let's take a look at Marilyn's life-long taste in men. Where, EXACTLY, do Blaine and Wade FIT on that list?
AAAAALLLLLLLL of the so-called "evidence" against Martin Smartt in this "case" comes from : 1. His "wife." 2. The "men" who were having sex with his "wife." ALL of it.
You know what else is funny? Grubert didn't show up here with his crocodile tears until AFTER I started pointing out how suspicious Sheila Sharp looks. What possible connection could there be between John Blaine Grubert and Sheila Sharp?
Funny you should ask...
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May 17, 2018 14:10:32 GMT -6
Post by jmo on May 17, 2018 14:10:32 GMT -6
I've read Joe's posts and I must say, they're pretty good. It seems like he was trying to be honest which is refreshing considering all the BS we've been sifting through. He held his own with dmac and that's quite an exhausting job. I would like to hear more but then again, maybe he's said it all. I do think he could help clear up some discrepancies on the timelines. "Philip was just Philipping" is probably one of the best descriptions I've ever heard.
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Post by kmik on May 17, 2018 15:00:43 GMT -6
Joe came across as being very honest on 28. He was one of the reasons that we finally felt free to break away from the Marty theory because he described what kind of person he thought Marty was and told that even when Marilyn pointed police to Marty people still considered the source. He was really useful as far as knowing these people and being familiar with the area. He never pretended (at least while we were on the forum) to know who committed the murders, but just seemed to want to help sort out some of the things we were off on -
He definitely held his own with 28 because he knew these people - but as usual 28 knew them better than anyone.
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May 17, 2018 18:57:33 GMT -6
Post by Joe McPlumber on May 17, 2018 18:57:33 GMT -6
Is that blithering string of non sequiturs supposed to provoke me to spill the beans? Oh no! My sexual escapades and perversions are exposed! And probably my motives to murder as well! Oh no whatever shall i do.
The damage is done, was done, will be done. All i was asking, politely, was for you to please stop causing more of it. Because you are either clearly lacking information necessary to credibly discuss this topic, or you are a malicious twit trying to out-dmac dmac.
If the latter then there's no reasoning to be done. But you've already lost your own game b/c you ain't got a fraction of dmac's sincerity and integrity.
BTW "Thomas Henry Horan" your historical revisionism is a matter of record. As is your cowardice. And your intellectual dishonesty.
This is just a damned shame since we're in agreement on a number of topics and i could probably help clear up others. But i guss getting at the truth isnt as much fun as tearing people down. You question my motives, fine, i don’t think you are here for the reasons you state either.
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May 18, 2018 2:02:02 GMT -6
Post by jmo on May 18, 2018 2:02:02 GMT -6
Oh, calm your tits, Joe. Nobody here expects you to spill any beans. And, nobody is interested in your sexual escapades and perversions.
I'd like to know what topics you agree/disagree with and what you could clear up. As you can see, a lot of our minds are all over the place. Don't fault us for trying to start at the beginning. That should have been done a long time ago.
This is a good place to kick around ideas...some good, some not so good. But, it's a good place. We're free to ask questions and most of the time, someone helps us out with answers. Feel free to disagree with those answers, ask some questions, or give a little insight. Or, just read and scroll. That's accepted, too.
If you want to take your ball and go home, Joe, nobody will stop you. But, to be clear, you don't get to make up the rules. Polite or not. With that said, I hope you stick around.
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May 18, 2018 15:15:47 GMT -6
Post by Joe McPlumber on May 18, 2018 15:15:47 GMT -6
Chrissake if "nobody cares" then why the hell speculate on it using my full name?
Y'all don't get it either. Dead people are dead. The LIVING suffer for murder and these endless and ridiculous leaps of logic only exacerbate their difficulties. Or maybe you do get it and don't care.
I'm not trying to make any rules. I politely *asked* for more discretion and was met with a barrage of abuse and libel. Not unlike the last place i did that, so i rreckon i shouldn't be surprised.
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May 18, 2018 15:26:10 GMT -6
Post by Joe McPlumber on May 18, 2018 15:26:10 GMT -6
I really don't understand. Why should i be helpful to people who are only causing trouble for me and people i care about? I thought you and kmik were alright but i'm really disappointed in your choice of associations.
BTW the "people i care about" most assuredly includes the people who are dead. Your board admin writes and sells BOOKS and then complains about people profiting from murder. He's ruined lives before, while crapping on the dead.
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May 18, 2018 16:41:55 GMT -6
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Post by karis on May 18, 2018 16:41:55 GMT -6
Sorry Joe, but the people you are trying to protect are the very ones who got all of this started. Your name only became important courtesy of Ms. Meeks and her old post. It doesn't seem you play much of a part in this at all. Sorry if we have offended anyone but these names were out there long before this forum was started. Let me assure you of one thing, Dmac is trying his best to fit your good buddy (no name necessary) into all this, and will, even if that includes dragging you along.
Thanks Tom for allowing us to have a forum that we can come to and discuss this case. That speaks for your SINCERITY and INTEGRITY!!
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May 18, 2018 17:32:45 GMT -6
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Post by jmo on May 18, 2018 17:32:45 GMT -6
I hear ya. It must be horrible to feel like you're living under a microscope. But, if you are who you say you are, you're kind of important to this case. At least like a fourth tier person...Maybe you were really just riding around with Wade and went home and crashed. We don't know. Maybe you told 28 a hundred times before and it just got lost in all the gunk. That happens. Especially when people write in rhymes and riddles. Not a big fan. But, that's just me.
I get loyalty. But, if you're disappointed in my "choice of associations", I'm sure you'd be super de duper disappointed in my actual real friends. Maybe that's why I liked your phrase of Philip was just Philipping. Got a few of them around me--love them all--just the same.
Maybe you shouldn't be helpful to people that you feel are only causing trouble for you and the people you care about. But, just so you know, 28 told us all who you were a loooonnnng time ago so that didn't happen here. You may have confirmed it, but it didn't happen here. Not to bring dmac up, but we never would have known 1/16 of the names had he not thrown them out there. Most attached with silly little nicknames that I won't repeat, and more vulgar names like MURDERER, with exacty zero proof. At least 3/4 of the people named (BY NAME!!) on his site, I feel bad for....they don't deserve any of that garbage. 100% of them are welcome here. Sometimes you just have to put on your big girl panties and defend yourself. I think you'll find "I don't remember" and "I just don't know" legit answers here...well, more than on 28. We're not here just to rip you a new asshole.
I know you're having a hard time with us not using pseudonyms. I just don't see how that would work. This whole site is public other than the option of messaging somebody privately. It's just another internet page on the Keddie murders and there are hundreds of them out there. People are free to voice their opinions...Right or wrong...and I've seen a whole lot of wrong. You must have, too.
And, there's no need to school me in "dead people are dead". Been there, done that. Live it everyday. For most of us, this isn't our first case, nor our last, nor the closest to our hearts. But, we all have one thing in common--just trying to get to the truth. So, if you can help with that, that'd be great. If you can't, we'll just keep on speculating like all the rest. It's kinda how this internet thing works.
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May 18, 2018 18:08:39 GMT -6
Post by Joe McPlumber on May 18, 2018 18:08:39 GMT -6
What would be so difficult about saying "Justin" or "Blaine" or whatever? Everyone who follows the case knows who you're talking about but it doesn't appear in google search returns when somebody applies for a job or something.
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May 18, 2018 18:35:27 GMT -6
Post by Joe McPlumber on May 18, 2018 18:35:27 GMT -6
And yeah i am very painfully aware of the recent trajectory of this "investigation". All the more reason i'd like to quiet it down a bit. Backfired on me. Oops.
Don't really give a damn what Mr. Horan wants to do with my full given name, it's just exemplary of the sort of thing i wish people would stop doing.
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