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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 15, 2018 10:45:37 GMT -6
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand: Steve Clark. Who actually lived in Keddie. I'd say he is by far the most likely "Steve" to have been walking around Keddie high on acid that night, especially since Richard Meeks said he talked to this Steve IN KEDDIE and that Maggie Krois, who also lived in Keddie, should know his name. And Whatshisname, "974," Henry Thompson's roommate, said that Henry said he and Cary[Chuck?] had been at an "acid party" at Tom Schmidt's (Chuck's ex-bro-in-law) cabin (right behind Cabin 28, right?) the night of the murders. I'm sure Steve Clark would have been at such a party. (I'll bet credits to navy beans Sheila was there, too.) And why would Steve Howard, or any of the other Steves, say ANYTHING to Richard Meeks about it, unless it was some Steve who had NOTHING (more or less) to hide? If, say, Steve Howard were guilty, then why would he be hanging around Keddie a week or more later, blabbing to, of all people, Richard Meeks?
And remember, Chuck's JOB was to plant trees around Camp 18. (You can see the trees he and his crew planted on Google Earth.) That "road," that runs past Camp 18, USED to be a railroad, until the RR tore up the unused tracks to recycle the steel. Henry Thompson was NOT a train crewman, right? He worked on road crews, track maintenance, etc, right? It's likely, then, he had worked on that road, as well. What did Cary do, if not the same job Chuck did?
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Jun 1, 2018 21:32:05 GMT -6
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Post by Michele on Jun 1, 2018 21:32:05 GMT -6
I’ve seen it mentioned before but does anyone know How James Seabolt Sr. Is Related to C. Walke? Did he marry one of the Seabolt daughters?
James L Seabolt Quincy, California 80 Relatives: Charles D Walke, James Lee Seabolt, Shirley A Holdridge XxxxWeldon Way, Quincy, CA.
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Post by jmo on Jun 2, 2018 16:55:06 GMT -6
Looks like a lot of traffic here lately... So the big D shut down his site...looks like Plumas News was supposed to be his verification and ended up being his demise. Well, too bad. He's been a busy beaver trying to delete all of his posts. I wish the guy well...moving on.
Tom and I will just have to agree to disagree with the Steve that Richard the Liar said he saw walking around Keddie high as a kite. I still think it was Steve McKim. He was a bit of a newbie to the area...Richard the Liar would have known (by name) all the other Steves and he wouldn't have had to have the cops ask the Krois girl for his last name. But, thankfully, this is the site to come to that people can agree to disagree. If I ever get to the point of proving it was McKim, Tom's gonna owe me a beer. And, vice versa. lol
Ahhhh...the Seabolts. Now, we know they got up and went to church every Sunday. Did the Mr. go? Ever? He was accused (rumor or not, it was said) that he was, shall we say, a bit of a perv? When the whole fam damily went to church on Sunday, was his normal routine to go "wood cutting"? Eight hours worth of wood cutting? What did he drive? If he was the owner of the truck "with siderails" why was this truck mentioned as a "suspicious" vehicle? Wouldn't people just be like, "Well, yeah. That's old man Seabolt's truck". Anyone remember what Seabolt, Sr. drove?
And, I wonder once again...why did they divorce? Seems to me like Mrs. Judgy McJudgerson had a few probablemos of her own. Doesn't seem like they were out running around on each other. Doesn't seem like she was out looking for another man to "take care of her clan" better than Mr. Seabolt was. Doesn't seem like either had a drinking problem. So, what was the reason? D-I-V-O-R-C-E seems like a pretty hefty load for either one. Must've been something other than "reconcilable differences" to get them to that point--being that religious and all. Don't most people just bump along and get through the bad patches until something happens and one of them says, "NOPE" and puts their foot down? So, what was the "NOPE" point?
Wherever I look, I see it says Chuck Walke and James Seabolt are relatives. Tom, you've asked if Chuck married a Seabolt girl...anyone know? Can someone list all the Seabolts here? I only know of Jamie and Alysa and there must be more...For a long time the Seabolts were off-limits for discussion, and I'm not sure why. She's creepy as hell. JMO
Mr. Seabolt said he was restless and couldn't sleep that night. But, just feet away, he hears nothing? Why did Sue say Tina couldn't stay? How upset were they that Alysa was "dating" Dana? Who did they blame for that? DID Tina make it home? hmmmm...probably. Did Tina leave again? One way or another, yes. And, wasn't Jamie accused of rape or something, too?
How sketchy were these Seabolts anyways? And, how simple would this crime be if it was just "the neighbors". Interesting theory, nontheless.
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Post by jmo on Jun 2, 2018 17:33:05 GMT -6
"Rose, Desiree: received threatening calls from Jim Seabolt because she had info on murders" **Desi was Chuck's wife.
"Vicky Rhodes and others claimed she was hit/beaten by James Seabolt Sr over knowledge of the murders" "Rhodes, Vicky: knew Sue through Head Start Program, but nothing personal; knew Jim Seabolt, had argument with him and another woman and he hit her" (Another woman??)
What is Seabolt's timeline from approximately 9:30 - 8 am.? Where did he "wood cut"? What time did he leave? When Mrs. Seabolt said he was "up all night" did she mean in the house looking out a window or in the yard?
"I contacted Seabolt, James Lee Sr. 43 yrs. He had returned with a load of wood. He confirmed the time Tina went home approx. 2200hrs. he heard nothing unusual during the night. The neighbor in 27, James Seabolt, was the handyman who replaced carpeting, wall panels, wallpaper, etc., after the murders. Cabin 27 was torn down minutes prior to 28"
"Marilyn: The Tina thread, Shiela told me, she remembers her mom getting into a dispute with James over something. Ahe could'nt recall just when, but thought it had something to do with Tina. I think we should consider the possibility that Tina became a target. When a bunch of us went out to Keddie in April, I alone talked to the caretaker. He mentioned that his suspicions were on James Seabolt Sr. That he was into little girls and hid underware in the little fire house (fire hose is kept)in front of his cabin. I later asked richards mother if this was true. She said, "Yes". I know that the Seabolts are now divorced. And I know that there were some sexual issues with James Seabolt Jr. in 1984 or 1986. I have talked to the person that took him to court. She said he just got a slap on the wrist, and she was beaten up in school by his friends. Remember it was James Seabolt Sr. that removed the boys from the bedroom window."
"James Seabolt, Jr. went through that cabin to check on the well-being of Sheila and had to have seen the bodies and disarray but quotes he only went as far as the porch area....why lie?"
Alysa is friends with Rod Demmick. (Two guesses who that is.)
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Post by jmo on Jun 2, 2018 17:40:48 GMT -6
At least one (perpetrator) had to have:
1. Knowledge of Camp 18 2. No alibi for between 10-2 3. Knowledge on how to tie a hitch knot 4. A vehicle
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Jun 2, 2018 19:40:56 GMT -6
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Post by raemen2 on Jun 2, 2018 19:40:56 GMT -6
That's always nagged at me - Sheila going home in the early morning to get her Sunday clothes. Sunday morning church was a given at the Seabolts (maybe at the Sharps too ??) why not have the clothes with her? I thought it was Seabolt Jr who took the boys out the window with Sheila and then went inside ( not knowing if perhaps the killers might still be inside??) even thought LE was on route. Then of course no one - according to statements that are available goes down to John's room ( in the documentary Sheila clearly states that was John's room, he was the oldest and that's why he got that area as a bedroom) to check the area. Does that make a lick of sense? Only if you Know no one is down there or if you want to avoid mentioning that area because something was going on down there or someone was coming out of there in the early morning hours. My gut is telling me that the boys were not asleep nor were they hiding in a closet for 7 hours. I believe the boys, after the carnage in that house where down in the basement waiting for Sheila to come get them in the early morning.
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Post by kmik on Jun 2, 2018 20:25:17 GMT -6
JMO so glad you are back! From what we've found Desiree married (in '85) a guy from Redding a few years after she graduated (around '82). Do you know what year she was with Chuck? Interesting!
Raemen I agree that the boys weren't asleep or stuck in a closet for 7 hours!
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Post by jmo on Jun 2, 2018 20:52:20 GMT -6
Correction! Thanks for pointing that out! Angela Rose was married to Chuck. I think Desi might be her sister? So glad you caught that!! The Lord was in need of another angel so he called Dakoda James Walke to his arms Wednesday morning, March 7th, 2007. Born in Quincy, CA on December 11th, 2006 to California natives Charles and Angela (Rose) Walke he has brought pleasure to those who have known him for the past eleven weeks. Dakoda leaves in passing his loving parents Charles and Angela Walke of Quincy, CA his brothers; Charles Walke Jr., Shaun Walke, Jeremy Walke, Brian Cassidy, Devin and Ezra Rose, his sister Cloey Collins along with his grandparents; Mary E. Beuchat and Barbara Stratton. A celebration of Dakoda's life will take place 1:00PM Thursday, March 15, 2007 afternoon at the Quincy First Baptist Church. An opportunity to express your condolences to the family along with signing the memorial guest register is available online at www.fehrmanmortuary.com. Charles and Angela (Rose) Walke Both from CA Live in Quincy 7 Mar 2007 1. Charles Walke, Jr., m 2. Shaun Walke, m 3. Jeremy Walke,m 4. Brian Cassidy,m 5. Devin (Rose?),m 6. Ezra Rose,m 7. Cloey Collins, f 8. Dakoda James Walke, m Born Quincy, CA 11 Dec 2006 Died Wed. morning 7 Mar 2007, 11 weeks Buried 1pm Thur, 15 Mar 2007 Quincy First Baptist Church. Dakoda's grandparents: Mary E. Beuchat and Barbara Stratton.
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Post by kmik on Jun 2, 2018 21:05:35 GMT -6
Glad we got that figured out but it still does not explain why Chuck's name would appear as relative of James Seabolt. You and Karis are the genealogy buffs here, yall gotta figure it out.
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Post by jmo on Jun 2, 2018 22:00:12 GMT -6
LOL! I did come across this. Maybe they didn't divorce, or maybe they just didn't want to say in the obit? Longtime Quincy resident Zonita Pearl Seabolt passed from this life peacefully, surrounded by her loving family, Friday evening, February 28, 2012 at home following a courageous battle with cancer. Born in Caldwell, Idaho on October 15, 1941 to Paul and Margaret (Hunt) Prince, Zonita was raised and educated in Idaho. As a young lady she was introduced to a handsome young man named James Lee Seabolt. The couple was united in matrimony on June 14, 1958, a union that has been blessed with six daughters and a son. A devout member of the Latter Day Saints faith Zonita has been highly active with the Quincy Ward of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. She loved the Lord and has been committed to him her entire life. Zonita was a loving wife and mother who through her faith in the Lord were blessed with their love in return. When time permitted she enjoyed the hobby of crafting. In passing Zonita leaves her loving husband of 55 years; James Lee Seabolt, Sr. of Quincy, CA, children; Shonna Ballingham and her husband Ed, Wendy Kroshus and husband Randy all of Sparks, Nevada, James Seabolt, Jr. of Cottonwood, CA, Alysa Griffen and her husband James of Anderson, CA, Paula Taylor and husband Eric of Redding, Pearl Taylor of Anderson and Joy Harmon of Portola, CA along with her precious 25 grand and 13 great grandchildren. A Celebration of Zonita's life will take place at 10:00AM Saturday, March 8, 2014 at her beloved Quincy Ward of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Interment will follow in the Quincy East Lawn Cemetery. An opportunity to express your condolences to the family along with signing the memorial guest register is available online at www.fehrmanmortuary.com.
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Jun 3, 2018 10:19:57 GMT -6
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Post by justice17 on Jun 3, 2018 10:19:57 GMT -6
JMO,
Definitely sounds like they were stilll married according to that Obituary.
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Post by jmo on Jun 3, 2018 11:10:12 GMT -6
Yes, it certainly does. I'm going to assume (oooh that gets me in trouble sometimes) that they were still married until anyone can find a divorce record.
"Of all the people interviewed, only one claimed to hear anything unusual on the night of the murders. Zonita Seabolt stated that her dog barked throughout the night, which she said was a rare event."
I find that interesting. Not because of the 1:15 "muffled scream" that was reported as well. But, because Zonita also said her husband was up that night. I'd think if he was up (and in the house), HE would have been able to keep the dog quiet. It makes me wonder if Seabolt was outside.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jun 3, 2018 12:00:10 GMT -6
I'm just going to pop in with a reminder that the person Chuck and Henry said they saw driving a truck or whatever parked next to the dumpster by the Keddie store was "probably" Jim Seabolt, Sr. Of course, Jim's full statement to police, and not just the heavily edited "timeline" material, would probably clear that up.
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Jun 3, 2018 15:27:10 GMT -6
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Post by justice17 on Jun 3, 2018 15:27:10 GMT -6
I'm just going to pop in with a reminder that the person Chuck and Henry said they saw driving a truck or whatever parked next to the dumpster by the Keddie store was "probably" Jim Seabolt, Sr. Of course, Jim's full statement to police, and not just the heavily edited "timeline" material, would probably clear that up. I hadn’t heard that Chuck & Henry said that it was probably Jim they saw by the Keddie store. I must have only read the edited version. Interesting... Admin Horan, I read the post on your background. From your experience, do you think that it is possible for only ONE person to have been able to commit the murders? That would be a lot of people for one person to overtake and manage, right?
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Post by kmik on Jun 3, 2018 20:52:55 GMT -6
Chuck didn't say it was Jim. I think what Tom is saying is according to what time they claim to have been in Keddie and seen someone at the store was around 4:00a.m. and James left early a.m. to cut firewood. So it's a good possibility.
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