Post by hope on Jun 3, 2021 20:28:05 GMT -6
I couldn't agree more. Things aren't right there. There is more to that story, something they still aren't telling.
MK asked a valid question. Unfortunately she didn't get a real answer. The only reason Beckley & xxx bartender's story was so well received is because it ended any speculation about a "bad ride" home & because claiming Sue & Marty were having an affair added motive, which was nonexistent before.
Everyone else involved with this case has had their statements & stories ripped a part and the worst thought of them because of any inconsistencies. So why does Beckley get a pass? She straight up lied. Not misremembered or changed some details over the years. If she is being truthful now, then that means she lied to LE in 81. About one of the most important aspects of the case. Changed her story. Kept things hidden for 35+ years. Made sure to spread those rumors to draw attention elsewhere. In my opinion, she is still lying or hiding something.
So, why did she lie? It wasn't because of her affair with Dana. What was/is she really hiding? And why was Dana really hooking up with her? He had plenty of other girls to hook up with. Was he hooking up with her for drugs & alcohol, since she was older? Perhaps money? Was her brother/family wealthy back then or did that come later? Drugs would be a reason to lie. Except she had no problem telling LE the boys were at her apartment that night. It was just the ride she didn't want LE to find out about. What would be the reason for that? I can think of a couple, none of them looking good for Beckley.
This is just my speculation & opinion but at best she lied because it did have something to do with drugs. She knew where the boys were going between leaving her apartment & getting that ride home, hours later. She could have set up the boys meeting someone & didnt want LE to know that. At worst she just set the boys up. Was she mad/jealous of Dana's other girlfriends? Tired of being used by Dana or realized thats what he was doing? She cared enough to go to the freaking high school to confront his new girlfriend. But everything was a-ok between her and Dana, no hard feelings on her part? I find that hard to believe.
She got the boys to come to her apartment, promising them a ride to Keddie. Only to tell them she didnt have gas. Tried to talk them into staying. Dana didn't believe her:
He probably brought up the burger money offering to buy gas with it instead. But she didnt want them to leave. She either told them the lie about going to her moms for dinner or she just made that up to LE to distance herself and that ride. Johnny said he had to get home to his mom, she was expecting him home. I think Johnny & Dana wanted out of there. And to be 100% honest, the whole thing sounds like a set up to me. She lured them there with a lie and then tried to make them stay. Was she keeping them there waiting for someone else to come over? Fancy sedan with San Rafael plates. Her family from San Rafeal. When the boys wouldn't stay she had to change things up, call someone else to give them a ride. The bartender "didn't want to get Kathy in trouble." Did she have her suspicions? Wondered if she'd unwillingly be involved in a set up?
There was no reason to lie about the ride, just the ride, unless she had something to hide.
Actually, here is that entire post about Dana checking the gas gauge:
Looks like Kathy was originally trying to point the blame towards some black guy (a person she made up?). But by the time she was interviewed again in July the Marty stories had been going around so she changed her story, from a black guy to Marty.
Refresh my memory, when did Marilyn & Marty move to Keddie? Was it in November 1980? So they began this affair shortly after Marty moved to Keddie. And either while sue was still living in the trailer park or immediately after moving to Keddie? They got that close in this typing class? Sue the loner as described by the teachers. And didn't Sue drop her classes/not stay in college long? If she took 2 typing classes, in 2 different semesters that sounds like she didn't complete the course that first semester. Did Gamberg check the records for that, how long Sue was actually in these classes? Sue, Marty, and xxx bartender weren't even in the same class? Gambergs wife never picked up on this obvious affair & obsessiveness of Marty towards Sue? According the PON & timelines, other people mistaked Marilyn for Sue.
The story of this ride has never been clearly explained. Why not? How did xxx bartender get involved with riding the boys home? Did kathy call her or was it Kathy's mom. Where did she pick them up. What time was it, 10pm-1am isnt a time. How were the boys behaving? Did they talk about anything? She left work to pick them up or was off that night? If she was riding the boys home how could possibly confirm or dispel if Spang was at the bar if she wasn't there herself?
I just feel there are red flags that aren't being questioned because of what these statements "prove". But really there are just a lot unanswered questions & questionable motives.
MK asked a valid question. Unfortunately she didn't get a real answer. The only reason Beckley & xxx bartender's story was so well received is because it ended any speculation about a "bad ride" home & because claiming Sue & Marty were having an affair added motive, which was nonexistent before.
Everyone else involved with this case has had their statements & stories ripped a part and the worst thought of them because of any inconsistencies. So why does Beckley get a pass? She straight up lied. Not misremembered or changed some details over the years. If she is being truthful now, then that means she lied to LE in 81. About one of the most important aspects of the case. Changed her story. Kept things hidden for 35+ years. Made sure to spread those rumors to draw attention elsewhere. In my opinion, she is still lying or hiding something.
So, why did she lie? It wasn't because of her affair with Dana. What was/is she really hiding? And why was Dana really hooking up with her? He had plenty of other girls to hook up with. Was he hooking up with her for drugs & alcohol, since she was older? Perhaps money? Was her brother/family wealthy back then or did that come later? Drugs would be a reason to lie. Except she had no problem telling LE the boys were at her apartment that night. It was just the ride she didn't want LE to find out about. What would be the reason for that? I can think of a couple, none of them looking good for Beckley.
This is just my speculation & opinion but at best she lied because it did have something to do with drugs. She knew where the boys were going between leaving her apartment & getting that ride home, hours later. She could have set up the boys meeting someone & didnt want LE to know that. At worst she just set the boys up. Was she mad/jealous of Dana's other girlfriends? Tired of being used by Dana or realized thats what he was doing? She cared enough to go to the freaking high school to confront his new girlfriend. But everything was a-ok between her and Dana, no hard feelings on her part? I find that hard to believe.
She got the boys to come to her apartment, promising them a ride to Keddie. Only to tell them she didnt have gas. Tried to talk them into staying. Dana didn't believe her:
by dmac » Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:44 pm
Kathy Beckley reinterviewed 7-15. Now she says she couldn't give them a ride as she was out of gas, and Dana even checked the guage to prove she wasn't lying. She was. It never happened! Dana mentioned Pat Dorris had given him money so he could take John out for a burger, which it appears they hadn't yet done, so she gave them a Tab.
Kathy Beckley reinterviewed 7-15. Now she says she couldn't give them a ride as she was out of gas, and Dana even checked the guage to prove she wasn't lying. She was. It never happened! Dana mentioned Pat Dorris had given him money so he could take John out for a burger, which it appears they hadn't yet done, so she gave them a Tab.
He probably brought up the burger money offering to buy gas with it instead. But she didnt want them to leave. She either told them the lie about going to her moms for dinner or she just made that up to LE to distance herself and that ride. Johnny said he had to get home to his mom, she was expecting him home. I think Johnny & Dana wanted out of there. And to be 100% honest, the whole thing sounds like a set up to me. She lured them there with a lie and then tried to make them stay. Was she keeping them there waiting for someone else to come over? Fancy sedan with San Rafael plates. Her family from San Rafeal. When the boys wouldn't stay she had to change things up, call someone else to give them a ride. The bartender "didn't want to get Kathy in trouble." Did she have her suspicions? Wondered if she'd unwillingly be involved in a set up?
There was no reason to lie about the ride, just the ride, unless she had something to hide.
Actually, here is that entire post about Dana checking the gas gauge:
Re: My Trip to Keddie 2020
by dmac » Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:44 pm
Kathy Beckley reinterviewed 7-15. Now she says she couldn't give them a ride as she was out of gas, and Dana even checked the guage to prove she wasn't lying. She was. It never happened! Dana mentioned Pat Dorris had given him money so he could take John out for a burger, which it appears they hadn't yet done, so she gave them a Tab. Mom called at 7:30-7:40 (before it was 8) asking her over for dinner. She suggested the boys wait until after dinner and she'd give them a ride (!). Johnny insisted they hitch home instead. All lies, of course. Asked about the black that Sue had just broken up with, she denied knowing any such info. Asked about the black claiming he would eat a puppy she'd offered, she said that subject was indeed Marty. Trish from Plumas Health and Sherry Cuddio said that Tina was preggers.
by dmac » Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:44 pm
Kathy Beckley reinterviewed 7-15. Now she says she couldn't give them a ride as she was out of gas, and Dana even checked the guage to prove she wasn't lying. She was. It never happened! Dana mentioned Pat Dorris had given him money so he could take John out for a burger, which it appears they hadn't yet done, so she gave them a Tab. Mom called at 7:30-7:40 (before it was 8) asking her over for dinner. She suggested the boys wait until after dinner and she'd give them a ride (!). Johnny insisted they hitch home instead. All lies, of course. Asked about the black that Sue had just broken up with, she denied knowing any such info. Asked about the black claiming he would eat a puppy she'd offered, she said that subject was indeed Marty. Trish from Plumas Health and Sherry Cuddio said that Tina was preggers.
MOLLER, DAVE (FR BULLETIN)
One of Dana's girlfriends knows girl who said Sue had a black boyfriend who broke up with her on 4/10/81
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One of Dana's girlfriends knows girl who said Sue had a black boyfriend who broke up with her on 4/10/81
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Looks like Kathy was originally trying to point the blame towards some black guy (a person she made up?). But by the time she was interviewed again in July the Marty stories had been going around so she changed her story, from a black guy to Marty.
Refresh my memory, when did Marilyn & Marty move to Keddie? Was it in November 1980? So they began this affair shortly after Marty moved to Keddie. And either while sue was still living in the trailer park or immediately after moving to Keddie? They got that close in this typing class? Sue the loner as described by the teachers. And didn't Sue drop her classes/not stay in college long? If she took 2 typing classes, in 2 different semesters that sounds like she didn't complete the course that first semester. Did Gamberg check the records for that, how long Sue was actually in these classes? Sue, Marty, and xxx bartender weren't even in the same class? Gambergs wife never picked up on this obvious affair & obsessiveness of Marty towards Sue? According the PON & timelines, other people mistaked Marilyn for Sue.
The story of this ride has never been clearly explained. Why not? How did xxx bartender get involved with riding the boys home? Did kathy call her or was it Kathy's mom. Where did she pick them up. What time was it, 10pm-1am isnt a time. How were the boys behaving? Did they talk about anything? She left work to pick them up or was off that night? If she was riding the boys home how could possibly confirm or dispel if Spang was at the bar if she wasn't there herself?
I just feel there are red flags that aren't being questioned because of what these statements "prove". But really there are just a lot unanswered questions & questionable motives.