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Post by kmik on Mar 3, 2018 11:38:09 GMT -6
Jmo, are you are familiar with that area (Keddie Resort). If so do you know about how many houses were on the other side of the swinging bridge (obviously Doug Gleason was one person lived across the swinging bridge)?
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 3, 2018 11:51:04 GMT -6
Also, that bridge was supposedly chained off with a locked chain or cable or whatever. WHO HAD THE KEYS/COMBINATION?
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Post by jmo on Mar 3, 2018 14:11:01 GMT -6
Good questions. I wish I had the answers.
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 5, 2018 9:55:24 GMT -6
Weeeelllllll, it would be SOP for PCSO to have access...if you follow my meaning...
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Post by jmo on Mar 20, 2018 15:56:10 GMT -6
Has anybody ever heard of this bridge ever being locked (except for Marty's flippant remark)? I haven't. I can't imagine someone even taking the time to lock the thing. What would be the purpose?
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Post by kmik on Mar 20, 2018 18:25:58 GMT -6
I don't know why but it does have a gate on it for some reason. My question is why would anyone take the time to carry a body across this "swinging" bridge instead of just tossing it into the water and washing away evidence? Tina didn't have to be taken miles away from the cabin to throw off an investigation - 3 bodies were left on the living room floor.
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 4, 2018 18:11:16 GMT -6
I don't see any reason to assume that there was even any prior intention to kill anybody.
1. Anyone--ANYONE--intending to bump off Johnny and/or Dana could and would have done so WITHOUT DRIVING THEM TO CABIN 28.
2. Whoever drove them there (unless they just gave up and walked home) did not just drop them off and return to Quincy. If they did, they would have an alibi for the time of the murder and therefore would have had no reason not to come forward. Soooooooo, we can be reasonably sure that it's reasonably probable that whoever drove them to Keddie must have hung around Keddie for some considerable time. Okay, where were they? If at the Bar, then again, they'd have an alibi from several witnesses. Just like Bo and Marty do. Someone's house? Again, they'd still have an alibi. Sooo, we can be very nearly 100 percent sure that whoever gave them a ride to Keddie was up to some kind of no good.
3. Okay, if the person(s) who gave them a ride to Keddie didn't kill them and Sue, who did? Neighbors? Maybe. Bo and Marty have a pretty good alibi for the most likely window of time that the murders took place. Who else? Keddie was inhabited mostly by ne'er do wells. But who among them could have killed three people, let alone, wanted to? There is very little evidence that anybody who LIVED in Keddie had any kind of heavy beef with any of the Sharps. And anybody who had heavy beef with Johnny/Dana could have easily taken care of business OUT IN THE WOODS or anywhere besides Cabin 28. Anybody in Keddie who wanted to kill Sue could have done so on any school day, when NO ONE else was in the house. That really especially includes Marty.
4. Even more so, anyone who wanted to snatch Tina (that's a shockingly long list of people) could have easily done so at many times, many places besides Cabin 28 full of kids on a Saturday night. She was left home alone earlier that day.
5. Sheila, Johnny, Dana, Justin--these are NOT well-disciplined Brady Bunch kids, by ANY stretch of the imagination. I simply can't imagine Ricky and Gregg being any "better." But we're supposed to believe that, on a Saturday night, they all (including Sheila and Alysa) went to bed at 10:00pm sharp (get it?) and went straight to sleep with zero fuss? Anyone on this board who ever raised any kids, I don't care how good your kids are/were, who believes THAT about ANY bunch of kids on a Saturday night? Let alone, THESE kids, being "supervised" by Sue Sharp? Unless Sue spiked their Kool Aid with Quaaludes. Zonita told the whole world she would not let her kids go to Cabin 28 even in the daytime. That wasn't because Sue was some kind of Mary Poppins.
6. The people who were in there all night, AND the ONE person who both: last saw Sue alive; AND was the person who "discovered" the bodies are all, to this day, sticking to stories that don't sound even a little bit "true." Aaaaaaand, since they no longer have ANY reason to be the slightest bit "afraid" of Marty and Bo, I for one need for at least one of them to give me a damned good reason to think anything other than the inescapable conclusion that some or all of them know exactly what happened and at least one of them probably participated in some way to some extent. Because not telling the truth about what they saw and heard and know is the legal definition of complicity. Plain and simple. And the fact that they have never offered a good reason pretty much proves they don't have one. Again, some people just assume that "maybe they were scared into silence by Marty and Bo." But that's just an assumption. None of them have ever said anything of the kind at all. Ever.
7. Again, I don't think there was any intention to murder anybody. But that's not the same thing as calling the police and reporting an "accident" instead of what did happen.
8. And don't think I'm letting Don Davis off the hook. He showed up at the crime scene less than 45 minutes after the first call to police came in. His explanation for being there was "I got a call from a member of the family." WTF could possibly be his excuse for being so coy? Who called him? There are only 4 choices: Sheila (but supposedly, Jan Albin called police) Ricky, Greg (they claim they never woke up and went into the living room) and--Tina. That's it. I'd bet credits to Navy beans it was Tina. Because, again, there is NO reason to assume she was forcibly abducted, let alone murdered. And if she were "forced" to call Don by "kidnappers," then why would Don not tell police that? And, why would "kidnappers" allow/force to Tina call Don at all, unless it was to ask for ransom? It's certainly possible he "coached" Sheila to say and not say certain things to police. You know what's funny? He didn't need to coach Ricky or Greg or Justin. They already knew to say "all four of us kids went to bed at 10:00 and went straight to sleep and none of us three boys woke up after that." The only other person who had an opportunity to coach them before police started questioning them was--Sheila Sharp. These people simply cannot all be telling the truth, and none of them has a good reason to lie.
9. Take away all the ASSUMPTIONS people make about this "mystery," and I don't see any real mystery at all.
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Post by snoho17 on Apr 5, 2018 2:59:18 GMT -6
As has been stated,there's probably a lot of interviews we'll never see, I would think officers at some point would want to know who called the brother! I do believe too this could be initially overlooked with the hunt for Tina. I also think responding officers kinda go down a check list without seeing anything in the periphery. As you stated, at least they had the sense to call in outside help. I don't think there's anything sinister or remarkable about that. Where I'm from, if a murder occurs outside a major city staters are automatically asked in as they have the tools and resources unavailable to townies and small sheriffs depts. I'm wondering how it would go down if Sheila was responsible? I just don't see such a bloody attack without some sort of evidence trail back to either the boys room or the Seabolts. I'm sure Tina didn't run all the way to camp 18. Any mention of where Sues car keys were?
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Post by kmik on Apr 5, 2018 5:21:40 GMT -6
There are a lot of questions we don't have an answer for because the information is not available to us - but that doesn't mean the police do not have the answer in their files. As for Sheila being involved - who knows? But what we do know is, according to the information we have, it appears she has been less than truthful about many things. Instead of threatening to sue Justin over writing a book about the murders she should have begged for him to write ANYTHING in the hope that she might actually find out what happened (after all popular theory is Marty and Bo). Instead of being the family spokesperson for years she should have demanded Rick do some of the talking if he too wanted this solved. If Justin has told the police it was Marty (who's now dead) then why in the world call in VIDOCQ society to spend money on a 38 year old case you've already figured out?
Sue's keys were in her purse.
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Post by snoho17 on Apr 6, 2018 3:48:59 GMT -6
Its been some years since the case was given vidocq, has anybody heard anything from them?
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Post by kmik on Apr 6, 2018 5:20:14 GMT -6
Sheila did send a letter to Vidocq, years ago, requesting their help. In order for them to work on a case they have to have the help of family members and law enforcement. From memory, and if the story is even true, Greg Hagwood seemed to be excited that Sheila had gotten Vidocq interested in the case but he never allowed them in to help.
Mike G (according to only one source) was suppose to be meeting with VIDOCQ last month about the case. We shall see. It would be great to have this case investigated by someone uninfluenced by popular theory who didn't/does not know any of these people.
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 6, 2018 7:55:52 GMT -6
Before anyone gets all excited about the Vidocq crew getting into this case, you need to realize a couple of things:
1. They do NOT reinvestigate cases, like we're doing here. They are NOT a private investigation firm. In spite of what their publicist claims, they're really just two guys--a former "profiler" (don't get me started) and a forensic anthropologist/reconstruction artist. He was among the first to do things like reconstruct faces from skulls and age photographs of missing children to show what they'd look like at different ages. The only other "active" members are a retired postal inspector and a retired IRS investigator, and they don't do much. Again, they don't investigate cases; all they do is consult with police on things like, "Look for a suspect with a shoe fetish" (their big claim to fame case) or more usefully, do things like, reconstruct the face of the skull found at Camp 18, or "age" photos of Tina. At the time, he could have given a second opinion on how long Tina's bones had been lying on the ground. In this case, about the only useful advice I think they would come up with is, "Are you sure the kids didn't do it?"
2. The last time I spoke with Gamberg, he let on that all he intends to do is show them the frame around Marty and Bo, and he thinks they'll rubber stamp it. He has zero intention of letting them dig into the whole case like we're doing (and I've never seen them do that, anyway.) He also told me that the reason he and Hagwood are finally "ready" for their help is--ta da!--the mysterious "witness" who has lately come forward to confirm XXXXXXXX' story about who gave the boys a ride to Keddie that night.
In other words, his plan seems to be to have Vidocq "verify" the horseshit presented on that People Magazine Investigates "documentary." But I don't think they'll do that. It would be like Pepsi confirming that Coke tastes better, or MSNBC admitting that Alex Jones is right about Pizzagate. They are NOT in the business of giving OTHER publicity hounds free publicity. And if Gamberg and Hagwood really think that the Vidocq "Society" are a team of real detectives, that pretty much tells you what kind of detectives Hagwood and Gamberg are.
No, I think any good PI firm would come up with the same advice we've come up with--"Take Sheila, Ricky, and Justin into the back room and work them over with rubber hoses until they tell you the truth."
The funny thing is, IF Sheila REALLY wanted this case "solved," all she'd have to do is GoFundMe herself a real PI firm. But for some reason, nobody in PCSO or the Sharp/Davis family wants THAT. All THEY, and that especially includes Sheila, have ever wanted to do is, make a "documentary" and get on TV. And that reminds me--how come nobody else in the FAMILY was ever worried about "solving" this case? I'll say it again--I suggest that the two biggest "Unturned Stones" (speaking of shameless publicity hounds) in this whole case are Sheila Sharp and Don Davis.
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Post by kmik on Apr 6, 2018 12:28:36 GMT -6
I agree but if all Mike needs Vidocq for is to rubberstamp this case "solved" I'd like to think they would want to know all about the case - not just Marty and Bo. If Mike's xxxx witness has told him what he wanted to hear (that Marty and Sue were seeing each other) then he should be able to rubberstamp this case himself because that would really be meaningless to anyone who knows nothing about the case.
We've said it before but unless somebody has at least 8 hours/day for at least 6 months they could never understand this case - and only then would they be scratching the surface.
Yes Ricky and Sheila should be the first people a real investigator would want to talk to not some xxxx witness who, while giving out info of Marty and Sue dating, conveniently omitted confessing to giving the boys the ride to Keddie.
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Post by jmo on May 5, 2018 13:11:01 GMT -6
Amen.
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Post by jmo on May 10, 2018 16:22:39 GMT -6
UGH. Still unable to post pictures here. Yes. Probably me. UGH.
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