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Post by kmik on Feb 9, 2018 23:56:37 GMT -6
The date on this report is 5-15-81.
Agent Bradley and I were talking with James Seabolt at Keddie and he told us that he remembered having seen a WMA about 5'10 or 5'11, short dark hair, with POI. Seabolt said that he had seen this man a number of times at Cabin # 13 while F. Davis was still living there. The man seemed to be a friend of Davis as well as POI. Seabolt said the man drives an old green 1 1/2 ton Chevy truck with plywood sideboards and for the past year has been selling wood and hauling junk metal. Seabolt said he thought the man lived across the river near the swinging bridge. This man had been with POI in Keddie a few days before the murders. Seabolt said he has not seen the man very often since Davis moved out and has not seen him at all for the last two or three weeks. Seabolt also told us of a guy who lives at # 7 Keddie and works for the railroad and drives a '79 or '80 Toyota truck who has not been around for a couple of weeks. Seabolt does not know the guy's name.
Frank Davis Report:
On 6-4-81, at 0905hrs, Special agent Mike Crim and I interviewed Mike Davis at the Sheriff's Office. Davis said he used to live next door to the Sharp family, in Keddie. He moved out about two weeks before the homicide. Davis said he did not know the Sharp family. He saw the Sharp kids around, but didn't associate with them. Davis did not know Dana Wingate, although he knew who he was. When asked if he ever noticed anything unusual at the Sharp residence, Davis related the following: About three weeks before Davis moved out of Keddie, "there was a hell of a fight" between Sue and a man. Davis thought it might have been on a Friday night, and it was about 10:00p.m. Davis heard loud yelling, and he looked out his window. He saw Sue and the man standing outside the Sharp's front door. They were yelling loud obscenities. Davis heard the man say, "you dirty ---t". Sue yelled, "you bastard". The argument last for about a 1/2 hour. Davis said he didn't know how long the argument lasted inside the house. Davis described the man and his vehicle as follows: WMA/35, about 4" taller than Sue, stocky build, and dark curly hair like an afro. Davis didn't think the man had a mustache or glasses. He described the vehicle as a 1978 or 1979 chev. blazer, white top-dark green sides and a white bottom. The vehicle was stock looking, clean, and no dents. Davis had seen the vehicle at the Sharp residence about a half a dozen times. Davis did not know what the argument was about.
Davis was shown the pictures of the composites. He had not seen them in the paper. He said the man that had the argument with Sue looked a lot like the dark haired composite, except the man not have a mustache, his hair was curlier, and he was wearing glasses. He said the shape of the face was similar. He didn't think the blond composite looked like anyone he knew.
Davis couldn't give any information about parties on the night of 4-11-81. He said that on the night of 4-11-81 he was probably at home or Bob Saari's house. Davis asked if we had talked to the people who used to live in cabin #16. Davis said Dana used to visit the people who lived in that cabin He said someone else lives in that cabin now. We checked the Keddie residents. The list said Plyer has lived in Cabin #16 since January 1981. I asked Davis if Dana visited cabin #16 before the Sharps moved to Keddie. He said he thought so.
Davis drives a 1963 Plymouth station wagon, white over tan.
Davis said the man that had the argument with Sue looked like his legs were too short for his body.
Later this same morning SGT. Brubaker and Agent Crim contacted Davis at his residence, to confirm the color of the vehicle. Davis said it is white and dark green. Daivs said he had seen a blazer on the way home, and is now certain that the man who argued with Sue was driving a blazer.
It's obvious that the police talked to James Seabolt around the time they were over at 26 looking at the patch of dirt which turned out to be from septic tank work. This was almost 3 weeks before they talked to Frank Davis. Who was the mysterious friend? The report does not say but certainly the police asked. There is no way Frank could have seen a man over at Sue's - around 10:00p.m.- good enough to describe him as well as he did. He also said he didn't think the man was wearing glasses only to say he was. He must have had great vision to see that the blazer had no dents in it. If there is any truth to this crazy story I'd have to say it was him seeing a blazer at Sue's several times. Vickie Krois boyfriend from Idaho owned a white/green blazer and she practically lived in Sue's backyard. From the PON list:
KROIS, MARY
Lived Keddie, knew John & Dana, they didn't stop by Gold Pan Motel 4/11/81, wht/grn Blazer owned by Vickie's (her sister) boyfriend.
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Post by kmik on Dec 20, 2019 17:03:37 GMT -6
Here are my problems with Frank Davis story of "Sue fighting with a man". Frank said he thought it was around three weeks before he moved from Keddie (February) and it happened around10:00pm on what he thought was a Friday night on the front porch of 28 for around 30 minutes yet I have seen no other report of anyone hearing this fight (and if they were on the front porch I'd find it hard to believe Frank was the only one to hear it especially when it supposedly lasted for around 30 minutes at night when people were probably coming and going from the restaurant and bar.
Next he said he didn't know if the man had on glasses only to say after looking at the composites that the man was wearing glasses. It's hard to believe he could see that well from his window on at night so I'm assuming Sue's porch light was on but let's face it he'd have to have some great vision which I guess he did because he went on to say the man was driving a 1978 or 1979 chev. blazer, white top-dark green sides and a white bottom. The vehicle was stock looking, clean, and no dents. Does anyone believe he could really see a vehicle that well around 10:00pm AND he was contacted later on that morning, after he had been interviewed at the PCSO, at his residence by Brubaker and Crim to confirm the color of the vehicle and Frank was able to confirm it because he had passed one on his way home (obviously from the police station) and he was now sure it was a white/green blazer. Wow
I have a hard time believing that Frank saw anyone arguing at Sue's if he did maybe it was Vickie Krois (who practically lived in Sue's backyard) boyfriend (which I still doubt):
KROIS, MARY Lived Keddie, knew John & Dana, they didn't stop by Gold Pan Motel 4/11/81, wht/grn Blazer owned by Vickie's (her sister) boyfriend.
It has been said Frank was thrown out of Keddie for drugs so I'll bet Frank was a bit nervous when he was interviewed at the PCSO and even more so when he was contacted later on that same morning at his home.
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Post by camfaults on Dec 21, 2019 2:46:37 GMT -6
Here are my problems with Frank Davis story of "Sue fighting with a man". Frank said he thought it was around three weeks before he moved from Keddie (February) and it happened around10:00pm on what he thought was a Friday night on the front porch of 28 for around 30 minutes yet I have seen no other report of anyone hearing this fight (and if they were on the front porch I'd find it hard to believe Frank was the only one to hear it especially when it supposedly lasted for around 30 minutes at night when people were probably coming and going from the restaurant and bar.
Next he said he didn't know if the man had on glasses only to say after looking at the composites that the man was wearing glasses. It's hard to believe he could see that well from his window on at night so I'm assuming Sue's porch light was on but let's face it he'd have to have some great vision which I guess he did because he went on to say the man was driving a 1978 or 1979 chev. blazer, white top-dark green sides and a white bottom. The vehicle was stock looking, clean, and no dents. Does anyone believe he could really see a vehicle that well around 10:00pm AND he was contacted later on that morning, after he had been interviewed at the PCSO, at his residence by Brubaker and Crim to confirm the color of the vehicle and Frank was able to confirm it because he had passed one on his way home (obviously from the police station) and he was now sure it was a white/green blazer. Wow
I have a hard time believing that Frank saw anyone arguing at Sue's if he did maybe it was Vickie Krois (who practically lived in Sue's backyard) boyfriend (which I still doubt):
KROIS, MARY Lived Keddie, knew John & Dana, they didn't stop by Gold Pan Motel 4/11/81, wht/grn Blazer owned by Vickie's (her sister) boyfriend.
It has been said Frank was thrown out of Keddie for drugs so I'll bet Frank was a bit nervous when he was interviewed at the PCSO and even more so when he was contacted later on that same morning at his home. I agree. Frank's recollection (as played in Josh's doc) is suspicious, especially the part where he says the guy had a mad on due to coke. Why does he assume a yelling match is coke related? Though they are no longer married by the time of Josh's filming, Frank and Martel give similar scenarios of the murders being a result of Sue angering some guy. Martel's statement in Part II is telling. Martel says that her uncle was bar-tending at the bar, left about 2:25 a.m. and heard thudding sounds but could not place where it was coming from. The she goes on to say that it was her understanding that Sue was not involved in drugs "but she was into something that made this man awfully mad, I mean seriously, to the point where you know I'm shaking in my boots and I'm not even involved, I'm just peeking though the window and hoping "Oh my God" they don't see me." Did she slip up right here? If she's in Cabin #13 with Frank Davis, could she have seen out of a window at any of the entry points of the Sharp cabin? Also, do we know how it came about that Frank and Martel were kicked out of Keddie for using drugs? Could Sue, Johnny or Dana have told the Albins that they were using or dealing? That would be a scenario that would make sense. I saw a post about Frank Davis' possible involvement in a murder. Was this before or after the Keddie murders? I would like to look into this.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 21, 2019 5:22:40 GMT -6
Well, if Frank made up the story, then I say that's all the more reason to say that he was describing Gamberg--revenge. And, IIRC, Frank was CONVICTED of at least one murder, right?
Let's ask the question another way--IF Gamberg was as chummy with the Sharps as he claims, then why WOULDN'T he and Sue get into at least one argument?
As my last conversation with Gamberg started circling the drain, after I had caught him in a lot of lies, and even more "I don't knows," I tried to nail him down on his relationship to the victims. "If you and your boys were such great friends of the victims, why didn't you and your boys give statements to investigators about what you know of that week's activities?" "They didn't ask." "But you could have volunteered any information you claim you had about them and their friends and activities. I mean, it's not like you didn't know where the Sheriff's office was." "Nobody asked." "But, if they were such great friends of your family, why didn't you take your boys down to the Sheriff's office and give statements anyway?" He kept insisting on what great friends they were, and I asked him point blank, "If you were such good friends of the Sharps and Dana, then why didn't you do something to help catch their killers?" He said, "I wasn't employed by the Sheriff's department at that time." I said, "Well, did you and your boys at least volunteer to beat the bushes helping look for Tina's body?" "Uh, no." "Is that because it was partly your fault they were dead?" He said, "What do you mean?" I said, "Because you were obviously using Dana as an informant to try and get your job back and that blew up in everybody's face. Except of course yours." "Dana wasn't an informant." "Then how did he get probation?" "I don't know." "You and your boys were such great friends of Dana, he spent the night at your house, AND you were working Juvenile Detail for the Sheriff's office, but you don't know anything about his probation? Which part of ANY of that story am I supposed to believe?" Then he tried to act tough. Over the phone. "I'm getting upset, buddy." "I don't blame you." "Did you hear me? I said I'm getting upset." "Go ahead and get upset. It's a free country." "I told you, they were friends of mine." "Well, with friends like you, who needs killers? Right?" Etc, etc, etc. Then he hung up.
All I can say is, over the course of all of our conversations, he never once acted like a cop. And he had a temper.
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Post by kmik on Dec 21, 2019 8:12:48 GMT -6
There are 2 pictures posted under "Police Documents" - "Front yard of 28" and cabin 13 is the brown cabin in the upper left corner. It's not impossible that they could have heard this fight from that tiny window in the back or while standing on that wrap around porch - but the chances of them seeing anything real well is questionable - and Martel is on the documentary talking as if she too witnessed this but she is never mentioned in the report only Frank.
The Albins and the Hoganboams probably had pretty good knowledge of what their tenants were doing as many of the residents worked at the restaurant and drank at the bar and word gets around quickly so it's no suprise that Frank, Martel, and their good friends and next door neighbors (Karl and Michelle) were thrown out at the same time. This is a statement by Marty from Timeline A:
March 1981 (2-3weeks before 187) "Mike" moves out of Cabin 13. He is possibly an ex-con who did time for murder. He is 32-33, 5-10 to 6'0, short blonde hair and mustache. (Martin Smartt/Crimm)
I don't think Frank served any time for the murder because he was a juvenile at the time and he wasn't the one who did the killing but that's from memory so I could be wrong.
Tom, I'm as leery of Gamberg's information on anything as I am Frank's "Sue" story. I just can't wrap my mind around why an investigator would give out information (true or false) over the phone to people he doesn't even know or even worse engage in an phone argument over this case with someone he doesn't know - it just reinforces the obvious fact that he isn't very professional. Yep all those FRB articles are coming to mind - just a big whiner and it says very little for Greg Hagwood because he should have known that when he hired him.
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 22, 2019 5:02:12 GMT -6
That's the problem with Gamberg and everyone else in that county--we just don't know which of their "statements" to believe. And you're right--he's NOT supposed to give out information.
Now, let's say Frank made up or exaggerated the story about Sue having a big argument with some guy. He still describes Gamberg to a T. And I think that's interesting, because Gamberg kept insisting what close friends he was of Sue and Johnny.
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Post by kmik on Jul 31, 2021 19:09:24 GMT -6
I've been meaning to post my thoughts on this "mystery" friend of Marty and Frank (according to Mr. Seabolt)
Mr. Seabolt said:
I don't believe this "friend" was Tony G because it has been said several times that Tony lived in Twain which is about 15 minutes from Keddie - and not near the swinging bridge. Who actually lived across the river near the bridge? I thought that was where the hobo's were living.
Mr. Seabolt said:
Mr. Seabolt had seen this man enough to know what he drove, what he did for a living, and where he lived so I find it hard to believe he didn't know his name - after all wasn't it Jan who said Mr. Seabolt knew Keddie like the back of his hand?
Hope, wasn't it also said in an old post (?) that there were 3 hobos who were questioned and left town right after the murders (I may be wrong)? And Marilyn posted years ago of Lori hanging out with the "tent people" so they had to be close by - but where exactly were the hobo's living - I've pictured it as across the swinging bridge/river.
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Post by druthers on Jul 31, 2021 19:56:14 GMT -6
Yes, you're wrong. There were no hoboes across the foot bridge. That was the high-rent area, real houses, not Keddie Shanties. The hobo camp, which wasn't present in 1981, was some three miles down the canyon on the railroad side of the river.
I find it hard to believe you'd expect anyone to know some random loser's name just because they saw him around a handful of times. Just like nobody could bark up Marty and Marilyn's name at the bar, although they knew them well. And usually disliked them immensely.
Where's the logic?
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Post by kmik on Jul 31, 2021 20:36:44 GMT -6
Hope do you remember where the post about the hobo's came from? This is what Meanie and PinkP said on Meanies old forum:
Meanie replied:
PinkP replied:
I think we should ask Dave Keller about the tent people, hobo's and transients.
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Post by hope on Jul 31, 2021 20:58:42 GMT -6
I do not think the man Seabolt was speaking of was Tony either. Tony is said to have had a beard & mustache back then. I would think Mr. Seabolt would have included that in his description if it was Tony. And as you mentioned, Tony lived in Twain. That was someone else Mr. Seabolt was talking about. Someone who apparently stopped coming around after the murders.
It was most definitely said that there were people across the swinging bridge that lived in tents. Marilyn mentioned them on the old forum, yes she said Lori would hang out with them sometimes & smoke weed with them. There was also talk of these tent people from local posters on the original forum. Unfortunately, those posts are long gone.
The railroad hobo camp is different than whoever was staying in tents across the swinging bridge.
I would like to talk to Dave Keller myself. I know people tried to discredit him but he said some things back then that no one knew about and they proved to be true years later. Being a local he would certainly know about these things.
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Post by kmik on Jul 31, 2021 21:01:10 GMT -6
And perhaps transients instead of hobo’s lived there or close by
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Post by druthers on Jul 31, 2021 21:07:24 GMT -6
Who are Meanie and Pink P? NOBODY. So you sell hearsay as fact.
Welcome to blood money, kmik.
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 31, 2021 21:07:48 GMT -6
Kmik, your correct. Tony didn't live in Keddie. I remember reading the "tent people" had been growers, but couldn't say for sure. And I see the mysterious gun slinger is back
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Post by druthers on Jul 31, 2021 21:08:50 GMT -6
and perhaps canaries fly out Trump's ass. Everything but a well-placed bullet does, so you are IN!
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Post by druthers on Jul 31, 2021 21:10:19 GMT -6
Tony lived in Hot Springs, so pat yourselves on the back for getting it all wrong.
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