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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 15, 2018 12:49:19 GMT -6
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Post by justice17 on Jul 23, 2018 14:09:53 GMT -6
Note The hanging plant. considering where it is hanging, you would think it would have been knocked out of its hanger if there was indeed a scuffle.
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Post by snoho17 on Jul 27, 2018 21:02:41 GMT -6
There's something about the arc pattern of the blood that gets me, as if Dana was pivoted
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Post by cancersucks on Jul 30, 2018 12:41:35 GMT -6
I haven't posted in a long time but I read the posts daily. As I was lying in bed last night something occurred to me. Maybe Johnny and Dana were sitting on the couch watching TV and the killers entered quietly from the back stairs and porch. If the TV was loud, it's possible the boys didn't hear them til it was too late.
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Post by raemen2 on Jul 30, 2018 15:13:40 GMT -6
Would not Johnny's and/ or Dana's blood be found on the couch frame if the initial attack had taken place there? I suppose they could have been incapacitated some other way at first. Seems that the cabin was so small that anyone walking through the front or back door would take you by surprise- especially if it was unexpected.
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Post by karis on Jul 30, 2018 15:31:16 GMT -6
Glad to see you back cancersucks! It has always seemed to me and kmik that maybe the boys were laying in the floor watching tv or had gone to sleep in the floor. There is a cassette player pictured so maybe they were listening to music. It was a cold night. Johnny probably only had a twin bed or cot in the basement bedroom. Dana is not mentioned as having a sleeping bag with him. I just don't see those two boys trying to sleep together in a small bed in a cold room with maybe only a space heater. But that is only my opinion. Those boys did not have any defensive wounds so they were either asleep or unaware of the initial attack. We do know that Dana broke free from his binding so he must have come to at some point and probably called out for Sue.
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Post by cancersucks on Jul 30, 2018 16:14:58 GMT -6
From the other basement pics I've seen over the years, they didn't seem to be finished. I seem to remember dirt and cement blocks. I'm guessing 28 would have been the same. I can't imagine anything bigger than a twin bed would have fit. As for the boys listening to music or sleeping on the LR floor, I think so. But if someone came through the front door, they'd probably see them. Since they didn't have defensive wounds, I'm imagining they were caught off guard (sleeping, watching TV, listening to music and not hearing someone, etc.).
If they came in through the back, was it someone from the party out back? Someone Tina knew? Did Tina tell the killers ahead of time where J and D were in the house? I still feel strongly that she left that cabin, pre-planned, with an adult male or 2 or 3.
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Post by karis on Jul 30, 2018 17:05:05 GMT -6
If they came in through the back, was it someone from the party out back? Someone Tina knew? Did Tina tell the killers ahead of time where J and D were in the house? I still feel strongly that she left that cabin, pre-planned, with an adult male or 2 or 3.
It is very possible if the boys were awake they knew who came in and did not feel the person(s) were a threat. I totally agree that Tina left that cabin, pre-planned.
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Post by sherlockrules on Apr 28, 2019 10:09:48 GMT -6
So I'm new to this case I've done a little research but i do know that Marty was a main suspect and the his son was one of the surviving three boys so I thought that mabye he entered the front door and the boys saw him but thought nothing of it since his sone was sleeping over then he murdered them and the rest of the residents but left the three boys alone in fear that the noise would wake his son to the sight of his father murdering his friends
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Post by karis on Apr 28, 2019 18:21:39 GMT -6
Hello sherlockrules. Where did you read that Marty was the main suspect in 1981? As of the late 80's, the three main suspects were Karl K. Steve L., and John S. If Marty was their main suspect it is not documented. But we do not have all the information or files to the case. If you are talking about recently and the articles with Mike G., why wouldn't he state for a fact Marty and Bo killed the Sharps and Dana Wingate instead of begging someone to come forward and give more information against Marty and Bo. He has the files, we don't. Why can't he wrap this up? Could it be that he has a theory and not evidence to back up this theory? Why would Justin and Ricky cover for Marty? Marty and Justin's mother split up after this, and Marty moved. Ricky moved to Oregon within a week or two of this. Why didn't at least one of those boys tell the police or at least a family member? Why didn't at least one of those boys come forward in 2016 when the recent articles came out?
Justin was Marty's stepson not son. He had lived with his father until August 1980 when he came to live with Marilyn and Marty.
Marty is a suspect along with others. He could very well be the killer, but there is just no evidence. Justin and Ricky are now grown men and as far as I know neither has come forward to help the police close this case.
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Post by kmik on May 26, 2019 18:05:56 GMT -6
Here is the cabinet door with what looks blood dripping down. I'm assuming all of the dark stuff is fingerprint powder.
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Post by dishy7300 on Jan 31, 2020 5:27:20 GMT -6
Glad to see you back cancersucks! It has always seemed to me and kmik that maybe the boys were laying in the floor watching tv or had gone to sleep in the floor. There is a cassette player pictured so maybe they were listening to music. It was a cold night. Johnny probably only had a twin bed or cot in the basement bedroom. Dana is not mentioned as having a sleeping bag with him. I just don't see those two boys trying to sleep together in a small bed in a cold room with maybe only a space heater. But that is only my opinion. Those boys did not have any defensive wounds so they were either asleep or unaware of the initial attack. We do know that Dana broke free from his binding so he must have come to at some point and probably called out for Sue. If Johnny and dana were sleeping in the loungeroom on the floor, i wonder if the two blankets found on sue were the blankets they were using that night? I know its been said they came off tinas bed but when, was there another blanket on her bed still after the murders?
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Post by kmik on Feb 1, 2020 11:45:35 GMT -6
Good thought Dishy but I think the cover was missing off one beds in the girls room. This is a cassette recording of the crime scene photos from a deleted documentary scene.
These two photos are the evidence report and a picture showing the blood smear that he was describing in the above recording.
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Post by kmik on Sept 20, 2020 14:30:20 GMT -6
In this first pic there is what looks like a water bowl for a pet in the floor. The second picture is what 28 posted showing the cat at end of the Sharps walkway. We do believe the Sharps had a cat but I don't think anyone has ever mentioned them having a cat until 28 posted this pic and said the Sharps cat was seen all day in the front of 28. Kinda weird it shows up in a police photo.
We don't know what happened in Cabin 28 but there's been so much speculation and so many theories over the years - wouldn't it be ironic if the answer was starring us in the face all along (cat, water bowl, hamster cage)?
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