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Post by jmo on Jun 5, 2018 16:13:55 GMT -6
More like Trailer Park Boys.
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Post by amada on Nov 8, 2018 11:39:39 GMT -6
Unfortunately I think too many people connected to this case were bad drug addicts and their memory is probably s**t at this point. I bet their memory back then was pretty bad. Even drinking a lot causes memory loss and a lot of these people did not just drink. I also think that the drinking and drugging that apparently went on constantly in Keddie plays a huge part in these murders. You can look at Chuck and see everything he has ever done all over him.
Henry's story is pretty damning to me as well. Not only could he and Chuck not get their stories straight we have the informant with his story of what he heard and the behavior of Henry through that. How would the informant know things like being tied up and it all started as a game if someone who was there did not tell him? He passed the polygraph, but there are lots of guilty people in the world that have passed them too. Does anyone know if hypnosis can really help you pass a polygraph? This was 81 so I am wondering if anyone has an opinion of this in 2018? Also, the supposed acid party behind cabin 28, does anyone know who all was supposed to be there that night? I mean acid, drinking and any other drug that was going around being mixed together could easily help someone snap and do some terrible things.
I am very interested in the Philip story too. I think there might be some truth to what he said regarding the night of the murders. Obviously he was pretty impaired and probably did not process everything correctly even then, but the little that I have read about his statements seem to have a small ring of truth to them. He could have mixed up some of the people and gotten some of the story straight. Makes me wish these people were more lucid in 81 and we might have a better idea of what really went on.
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Post by jmo on Mar 24, 2019 22:56:23 GMT -6
Just two added thoughts. Not sure where to put them but they have to do with Charles Meeks and Phillip.
1. When "Charles" reported that someone had threatened his family, I don't think that was Charles Meeks. I think it may have been Chuck Walke. Dmac assumed it was Charles Meeks, but that doesn't make it the right "Charles". It's looking more like Henry dropped Chuck off and Chuck met up with someone else and was either there, or talking about it A LOT. Enough for someone to tell him to shut the hell up? Yes.
2. Phillip. He ran to a blue car to ask for help. Dmac assumed it was Jack from the bar, but that doesn't make it a fact. Couldn't it be possible (and idk very sad?) if Phillip ran to the blue car that is listed in the "vehicles" thread and they were the "bad guys"? Does anyone here believe Phillip actually said the word "Mercedes"? Not seeing it. And, he said something like a fight ensued and he fled to the airport. Jack doesn't even remember anyone approaching him that night. Maybe no one did...
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Post by karis on Feb 6, 2020 6:32:45 GMT -6
Maggie said that last Saturday night (4-25-81), Susan K. had been in the dorm lounge and had gone out for a few minutes and when she returned at approx. 2130 hrs, Chuck and another guy was with her.
Maggie had also mentioned that when Chuck came in with Susie, Susie's sister Margaret, and another girl she thinks was named Tracy was also with them, besides Chuck's friend. Chuck and his friend are tree planters for the USF/S, according to Maggie.
I read this many times but could not get the krois girls sorted out. Well there were 5 girls, Linda, Mary, Vickie, Maggie or Margaret (1962), and Susan Marie. In looking them up I found that Susan was born May 4, 1968 (she passed away in 2016). She was the same age as Tina (July 1968).
April 11 12:00 Eugene S. says he met Dana around noon walking toward town. They bought a six-pack and drank it while walking around town. Dana wanted to see Susan K. and the last time he saw Dana he was hitchhiking to Keddie (doesn’t match other statements).
Maybe Eugene meant Maggie. But I think Maggie was going with Chuck Walke. Chuck went by to visit old girlfriend while in Livermore.
GODDU, KATHY
Thompson & Walke in Livermore night before 187
<CRIM>
The Green/White blazer
ALBIN, JANICE
In bar 4/11/81, info on Pete Pontess, saw Blazer at Sharp's
<THOMAS>/<CRIM>
CHP (QUINCY)
BOLO [be on lookout] for wht/grn Blazer
<STOY>
*DAVIS, FRANK
Doper, moved from Keddie 4/1/81, previous arrest for 187 but not prosecuted, related argument of Sue & man in wht/grn Blazer @ March 1
<BRUBAKER>/<SHANKS>/ <STOY>
HOGABOAM, BARBARA
No ID of composites, had seen wht/grn Blazer at Sharp's
<CRIM>
KROIS, MARGARET
Lived Keddie, Richard Meeks said she knew "Steve" who walked by Sharp house that night, "Steve" friend of Chuck Walke who she was dating at time, denied knowledge of guy and doesn't know wht/grn Blazer supposedly at her house & Sharp's prior to 187's
<STOY>
Why did Margaret deny knowledge of "Steve" and the blazer?
KROIS, MARY
Lived Keddie, knew John & Dana, they didn't stop by Gold Pan Motel 4/11/81, wht/grn Blazer owned by Vickie's (her sister) boyfriend
<STOY>
KROIS, SUSAN
Lived Keddie, in Quincy 4/11/81
<BRADLEY>
KROIS, VICKIE
Lived Keddie, home 4/11/81 heard nothing, has boyfriend in Idaho with wht/grn Blazer
<CRIM>/<STOY>
KROIS, VICTOR
Lived Keddie, at home 4/11/81 til 0300 4/12/81 and went Exxon to get paper
<CRIM>
I asked him (Chuck) also if there was anyone in Keddie or elsewhere that could confirm his actions while in Keddie that morning except Henry and he said that maybe Mike M. saw him. I sent Detective Forcino over to ask Mike if he had observed Henry or Chuck in Keddie that morning and Mike told Forcino that he hadn't, he didn't think.
MALONE, MICHAEL
Jan Albin said Malone is Devil Worshipper, he didn't know John & Dana, walking 4/12/81 @ 1230 - 0100, denied witchcraft, said Jawad talked about spending night with Cathy Boscoe 4/11/81
How long was Chuck and Henry in Keddie? Mike was walking around 12:30-1:00. Chuck must have seen Mike or he would not have known he was out that night.
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Henry's mother further stated that she was home Sunday morning when her son arrived home and it was around 0330 or 0400.
Chuck tells in the documentary that they "got to Keddie around 4:30-5:00 early Sunday Morning. He said he had a girl friend that lived in Keddie and they thought they would stop by, it was around 5:30 or a quarter till six, have some coffee, have some breakfast. She wasn't up so they drove out."
Where was Margaret living?
17 Vickie Krois Single 1 Has lived here with folks for approx. 17 yr
23 Kathy & Victor Married 1 at home Approx 17 years Krois
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Post by kmik on Feb 6, 2020 19:37:09 GMT -6
WILLIAMS, DONNA
4/11/81 @ 1300 - 1330 gave John & Dana ride from Big O Tire to Exxon, @ 2100 John & Dana hitchhiking towards Keddie by Gold Pan, interviewed @ discrepancies, no new info, said Walke had party Sat night, John & Dana were there, rumor only, doesn't know who said , recontacted again & said she gave them ride from Exxon to Keddie turn off, conflicting story again
<CRIM>/<SHANKS>/<STOY>
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Post by Admin Horan on Feb 7, 2020 9:35:21 GMT -6
And the Filipino girl who had recently moved from Livermore to Keddie may have also been the "girlfriend" he visited in Keddie.
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Post by jmo on Feb 15, 2020 1:55:32 GMT -6
Why call Donna. Or, am I wrong? Didn't Sheila call Donna? Of ALL people? Why call Donna?
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Post by kmik on Feb 15, 2020 17:41:24 GMT -6
From Pat Dorris Report:
Pat Dorris said Sheila called Donna and I believe Pat was one of the few we can say was truthful - I believe what Pat told. Why did Sheila call Donna? Did Sheila think or know the boys were with Donna at some point Saturday night? WHY?
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