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Post by Admin Horan on Jun 5, 2017 11:39:42 GMT -6
This is a transcript of the report on the examination of Tina's remains.
The following documents cover the discovery of Tina Sharp, including what was found at the scene and more. Also see threads at the bottom of this forum for additional reports on Tina's discovery.
Document # 1: from the Butte County Coroner's Office / Coroner Report / dated 6-18-84
"On April 11, 1981, deceased was reported as missing from her home in Keddie, California. Found at the same time were the bodies of her mother, brother, and a neighbor boy.
On April 11, 1984, a skull was found approximately 200 yards N/E of Camp 18 above Feather Falls, California.
Several searches of the area produced bones and a lower jaw scattered around the area. These items were submitted to DOJ for possible identification.
On June 18, 1984, DOJ personnel Paul Pane advised me a positive match was made and the bones and skull were the remains of Tina Sharp of Keddie.
Remains are to be examined by Sacramento County Coroner's Office when released from DOJ."
Document # 2: Property Report / Recovered Property / Evidence / dated 6-7-84
quantity: 2 quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 1
item: vertebrae item: rib item: rib item: bone
quantity: 1 quantity: 2 quantity: 1 quantity: 1
item: bone item: ribs item: vertebra item: vertebra
quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 1
item: bone item: rib item: bone item: lower jaw
quantity: 1 quantity: 3 quantity: 1 quantity: 1
item: bone item: ribs item: bone item: tooth
quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 2 quantity: 1
item: vertebra item: rib item: ribs item: rib
quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 3 quantity: 1
item: vertebra item: bone item: bones item: possibly tooth
quantity: 1
item: red material (color: red)
quantity: 1
item: piece of cloth (color: pink / belt-like material knotted in loop)
quantity: 1
item: part of boot (color: brown)
quantity: 1
item: piece of cord (color: white)
Document # 3: Property Report / Recovered Property / Evidence / dated 6-5-84 / place of seizure: Butte County Sheriff's Office
quantity: 1
item: tape reel (communication tape)
quantity: 1
item: micro-cassette tape (recording from item above)
[note: the above two items are in reference to the recorded telephone of someone telling the BCSO that the remains would belong to Tina Sharp. The caller was male. Clearly, the call was recorded. In an email, the BCSO stated they no longer have the tape in their possession; the PCSO also does not have the tape]
Document # 4: Diagnostic Pathology / Forensic Division / Examination Record / dated 7-17-84
"The skeletal remains are received in two large paper boxes. One of the boxes has an accompanying letter from Norman D. Sperber, DDS, and a note from P.A. Crim, Jr., Special Agent, Department of Justice. The second box holds 22 small paper bags. 21 of these bags have attached yellow identification tags. The remaining bag has no attached identification tag."
[note: for excerpts from our interview with Dr. Sperber, see the deleted scenes from Part I of the documentary; to see some of the ID tags mentioned above, see Part II of the documentary]
Skull
"The skull is received separately in a large paper box. The mandible is not attached. The right zygoma and the tips of of both mastoid bones are missing. The skull is that of a child consistent with the age of 12 years. The maxilla includes premolars, the first molars, the partly erupted second molars. Other teeth are missing. External examination of the skull reveals no evidence of traumatic injury other than a missing right zygoma and tips of both mastoid bones."
Other Bones
Bag # 22: Number 22 is a single rib. It measures approximately 5 1/2 inches in length. It appears to be from the left side. Both ends of this rib fragment show fracture.
Bag # 24: Specimen number 24 is a long bone. It is very dense and heavy. The ends of this bone are fractured.
Bag # 25: Number 25 is a right rib. It measures approximately 7 inches in length. The distal end of the rib is fractured and quite irregular.
Bag # 26: Number 26 is a portion of a long bone. It measures 7 1/8 inches in length. The ends of the bone are fractured.
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Post by kmik on Jun 6, 2017 19:22:40 GMT -6
This report is why many people think that Tina's remains were discovered on the anniversary of the murders. According to this report her remains were discovered on April 11, 1984. According to the FRB (and the discovery report) her remains were discovered by a bottle collector on April 22, 1984. This report also states that she was reported missing, and the other 3 victims discovered, on April 11, 1981 - but we all know it was April 12, 1981. So apparently the dates are incorrect on the report (no conspiracy just a mistake).
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Post by jmo on Mar 2, 2018 21:47:59 GMT -6
Could Tina have fled and simply drowned?
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 3, 2018 11:01:14 GMT -6
Well, someone would have to fish her out of the water and carry her to camp 18. She COULD have collapsed from hunger and exhaustion and died of hypothermia. That's really easy to do. Or, theoretically, it could have even been suicide. Kids who kill family members often kill themselves afterward. We just don't know, and I think it's a big mistake to assume anything.
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Post by kmik on Mar 3, 2018 11:25:36 GMT -6
We may never know how Tina got to Camp 18, but if Marty was at 26 that morning when Justin came home, and if he never went to Reno until Monday - I'd say it is unlikely he was in a hurry or worrying about getting rid of Tina or disposing of her body.
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Post by jmo on Mar 3, 2018 11:41:35 GMT -6
I thought I saw a video of that (river) in April and it seems to me it was ROARING. Back in highschool I had a friend who hit a bridge and flew out of the car into a river and he went wayyy down river. Took weeks to find him. Just a thought. Morbid. Sorry. If she (jumped/fell) into the river, I wonder how far it could carry her downstream? Which way does the water flow?
Didn't someone say Marty was hitchhiking with a backpack and bedroll? I agree. Not much in a hurry. I don't think he even realized he was a suspect. That came much, much later, didn't it?
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 28, 2018 10:17:57 GMT -6
I'll post satellite views of the spot where Tina was found, but it was nowhere near the river. It was definitely a spot that was easy to get to--if you had a vehicle that could make it down Lumpkin ridge Road. It's been paved now, but it's still pretty rough. And in the rainy season...That's one reason I don't think she was taken there that week at all.
BTW, that road is about a mile or so OUTSIDE of Plumas County. Soooo, it was NOT patrolled by PCSO. It was patrolled by Butte County. If ever.
On the Satellite photos, you can see the clearcut area, and the the trees that were planted by the crew (Federal) that Chuck worked on.
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Post by jmo on May 21, 2018 21:39:50 GMT -6
A phone call came in from an anonymous person. This is what was said:
CALLER: Hello I was watching the news and they were talking about the skull they found at the Feather Falls and they asked for any help. DISPATCHER: Uh-huh. CALLER: And I was just wondering if they thought of the murder up in Keddie up in Plumas County a couple years ago where a 12-year-old girl was never found?
And, that phone call suddenly becomes:
840530-1845c An anonymous male caller telephones the Butte County Sheriff's Department and says the skull found is from the missing 12 year old girl from the Keddie murders which occurred 2 years ago.
Now, what was said and what 28 reported (and Gamberg allows), are very, very different. It went from, "Jeez, has anyone thought?" to "HE SAID THE SKULL WAS TINA'S!" So, well, OF COURSE the caller knew. It's just GOT to be from one of the MURDERERS. Right?? I'm not buying that quite yet, and nobody else should either. Later perhaps. Just not yet.
So, then that little D-fact jumps (thank you David and all your proofity proof proof proof) to the ID channel, People magazine, and all the other repeaters believing it and passing it along...to IT'S A FACT, JACK! Hunnerpercent. Dmac started twisting this years ago and now what he says, ID says, and well, if ID says it People can print it because well, Plumas News says...round and round we go. Why hasn't Gamberg stopped this train?? As a side note--I really liked the ID program when they showed just the legs of the caller at the Keddie pay phone, but ooooooooo it got better when he just left the phone swingin' in the breeze. Didn't even bother to hang it up. Awesome television, boys. A+ for drama. F- for TRUTH. And, never mind that more drama is added by reporting the "phone call came in on the 3rd anniversary" of the murders. No, no it didn't. That just makes for better headlines is all.
The ID channel: In 1984, Tina’s remains were found in Feather Falls, around 29 miles from Keddie. An anonymous caller told police a skull was found. The caller said that the skull was part of Tina’s remains, well before she was positively identified. Dental records later indicated that it was indeed Tina.
Plumas News: Shortly after taking over the case, Gamberg learned that an anonymous person had called the sheriff’s office and claimed that the murder weapon, a claw hammer, was found in a nearby pond. The recovered hammer matched the murder weapon exactly. It’s currently being tested for DNA evidence. “You can see that it’s a good quality hammer,”Gamberg said. “Nobody throws away that kind of hammer.”
So, here's the thing with Mr. Gamberg. He must like a little drama-drama himself. “Nobody throws away that kind of hammer. Maybe it has initials carved into it." Ooooooooo
Well, let's slow our roll and think. Here's a pond that is full of water. Well, not full. He says he scraped it back with his cane. (What a hoot!) The pond is wet. Then the pond is dry. Then the pond is wet. You get the idea.
My dad's words ring in my ear."Hey. You kids can use this hammer and this saw. That pile of wood is okay. Stay out of THAT pile of wood." So, off we went into the woods, carrying borrowed hammers, saws, and a few rusty nails and we'd build the greatest tree fort on the planet. The following year after the snow melted, we'd go back to our fort and inevitably would find a hammer, a saw, and some rustier old nails. Usually, this was followed by one of us needing a tetanus shot. Pretty sure my dad bought new tools every year. Never could find anything when he went to look for it. Did we throw away good quality hammers? No, but we sure sh*t lost a few. Is it Marty's hammer? Maybe, maybe not. My dad's tools grew legs and walked away. There's simply no other explanation.
SACRAMENTO BEE June 21, 1984 BONES FOUND ARE THOSE OF GIRL LINKED TO TRIPLE SLAYING IN PLUMAN COUNTY Author: Steve Gibson
The bones of Tina Sharp were discovered April 22 by a bottle hunter near Feather Falls northeast of Oroville, about 50 miles from Keddie. The bones were sent to a laboratory for analysis, where a match of dental records was made. For the first few weeks after the murders, the Plumas County Sheriff's Department had eight investigators working on the case. By the time a year had elapsed, we would react and investigate leads as they came in, Plumas County Sheriff's Sgt. Steve Wright recalled Wednesday. I'd estimate conservatively that we put in more than 4,000 man hours of investigation, Wright said. A team of eight investigators from Plumas County and the Department of Justice planned to visit the Feather Falls area today to see if w! e can develop any leads and see if anyone can remember seeing ! her aliv e, Wright said. In addition to Feather Falls, we're going to talk to people in Forbestown, Challenge and the Strawberry Valley area, he said. According to investigators, the slayings are thought to have occurred about 2 a.m. April 12, 1981. At 8 o'clock that morning, the murder scene was discovered by Glenna Sharp's 14-year-old daughter, Sheila, who was returning home after spending the night with friends. Sharp's sons, Ricky, now 12, and Greg, 8, and a neighbor friend slept in a bedroom next to the living room where the bodies were found. The boys told officers they had heard nothing, and neighbors, including residents whose bedroom was only 10 feet from the murder scene, also heard no disturbance. Sheila Sharp told investigators three years ago that Tina had wanted to accompany her to the friends' home for the night, but their mother had ordered her to come home late that night. The next morning, Tina could not be found.
Now, this article dated 1984, states that there were EIGHT investigators on the case. Some might say, "Well, they only spent two weeks on the case!" But, that's EIGHT guys working 24-7 on one case. There were a lot of people questioned in a lot of different areas. For a small town murder investigation, 4000 man hours--that's quite something. And, when leads dry up, they move onto other cases. That's just the way it is, Folks. I'd love to know EXACTLY what Mike Gamberg thinks should have been done. He's so good at saying, "It's not what was done, but what wasn't done." So, tell us. Tell us all. What should have been done. And, "Uhh, well, uhh, more. Umm, yeah. More." is unacceptable.
**According to investigators, the slayings are thought to have occurred about 2 a.m. **The boys told officers they had heard nothing. **Forbestown, Challenge??? **Sheila Sharp told investigators three years ago that Tina had wanted to accompany her to the friends' home for the night, but their mother had ordered her to come home.
It's interesting that the tape was "checked out" by someone and then found by Mike. Well, snaps for him. He has got to be the one that spoon fed Josh and dmac information. Who else could it be?? After all these years and all those investigators, and all this taking stuff out of the Keddie room....is it too far fetched to think that Mike had that tape in a box in his own garage and just put it in a sealed envelope and shoved it back in a box, only to "discover it" later like an Ace in the Hole? Maybe the DNA should be tested on that there envelope, hmmm??
Why else would he be feeding into statements like : "Jeez, has anyone thought?" and allowed them to turn into "he said the skull is Tina's!" That's just poor investigating, police work, and moral compassing.
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Post by kmik on May 21, 2018 22:56:53 GMT -6
Thank you JMO! This is from a thread on Meanie's old forum from last year. "Spooked" is Dmac (he started posting as Spooked but his real identity came to the surface real soon).
Please pay attention to how Dmac goes all around the world talking in rants to keep from giving a straight forward answer on ANYTHING!
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Site Admin Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:02 am #1
Of course I know everyone has read this. I watched the program and bought the magazine as well. What did you guys think of it?
crimefeed.com/2016/11/horror-in- ... rp-family/
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Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:17 pm #2
Glad you asked. I could not believe some of the things I was hearing on the show - and despite how Dmac may feel about us we know he knows this case well enough to know some of this stuff was not right (and you too Meanie)
Mike G knew the family real well?
Sue (the loner) attended a bar-b-que that Mike was at?
Sheila saw the butcher knife and hammer while standing at the door?
Three years to the day of the brutal murders Tina's skull was discovered?
Sheila talked as if she personally knew that Marty despised Johnny. That's the first we've heard of her "knowing" that. Hearing that years later from Glenna or Marilyn is not the same as knowing it at the time.
Quote from the show:
The sheriff, instead of using his very competent investigator to interview Marty and Bo, took in 2 investigators from the DOJ that were experts in organized crime. (Very misleading as Marty and Bo were not the only ones interviewed by the DOJ.)
Gamberg:
I wondered why organized crime investigtors were investigating a small police department homicide. Didn't make sense to me. (I'm not a cop but maybe they were called in because Tina was missing, the PCSO knew they were in over their heads, and drugs were supposedly all over Plumas? Did it take him 35 years to discover the DOJ investigators were with the organized crime unit because he failed to mention that in the Keddie documentary.)
He may have forgotten what he said in the Keddie documentary but we haven't.
Gamberg:
Politics played a big role in the whole thing. We had a sheriff that was trying to make probably more of a name for himself rather than relying on the expertise of the DOJ. When it first started out he tried to do things himself and I think hurt the case quite a bit. (I'm completely confused by now as he is clearly contradicting on the show what he said in the documentary.)
Greg and Mike lead viewers to believe that Mike was working with the PCSO when the murders happened. He was not. If he was warned off the case, as he keeps insisting, it was years after the murders and might have been because he knew the family so well?
The lady (?) talking on the show said Marty had PTSD. We know that he was trying to get diagnosed but didn't know he succeeded.
I know Mike and Greg (and the people filming the show) have read the entire "love letter". Why continue to mislead people by what the letter is clearly talking about? Why take bits and pieces out of context? I don't care if he had 10 kids he had already referred to his "4" kids in the letter. He is not referring to Sue, Johnny, Dana, or Tina as "the most precious things in his life" nor his "flesh and blood."
Not sure Hagwood is as sold on "the theory".
The only real interesting info was that it was stated by other witnesses that Joel L. was at the Keddie Bar that night. Wonder what else they have in those files that Josh never saw?
Maybe a new investigator with a fresh set of eyes, who did not know the family, and is in no way biased by the past investigation or administration, should be the one to investigate this case. I think that is BEYOND obvious.
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Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:00 am #3
Gam met the Sharps before Johnny joined Gam's self-defense class. WOW Big Surprise! Same place: Community BBQ when Sue and fam were in Quincy, NOT KEDDIE, you fuck-knob.
Sue knew how to walk and re-learned how to talk after you think she was deaf and dumb.
THREE YEARS TO THE DAY makes me cringe! You'd have to read my own review of the docu to mock me- but, ohhh, you've been banned as the worthless troll you twos be. Can't read what you can't understand!
My own feelings on the PEOPLE piece is they did an alarmingly good job. They pushed it back for weeks because they were asking for more info, and PCSO and I were facilitating.
We chose one media outlet where we felt competency and a reasonable shot at low-level nationwide attention would be a very respectable result. We turned down many from turd-bag shows. such as the wholesale liars at CRIMEWATCHDAILY. Assholes!
The key was we ALL had to come together (Yes, even Sheila) and get it done ONCE. I think we turned down the right projects and went for what, today, is the definitive media representation of the Keddie Murders.
Josh fucked with heads, but People fucks with commercial breaks. Josh is the WHORE of the two.
WOW someone other than the CORE 4 realizes Sheila is a liar? Mo, about 75 bailed based on her lies. You're a beginner, asshole.
You know shows like 48 Hours where 72 hours are wasted reminding people of what they just saw before the Grampers commercials? No assholes in the K28 piece.
You will never know the b axis. Kmix Twinz, you lose. G'Bye!
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Mike G knew the family real well? Sue (the loner) attended a bar-b-que that Mike was at? I think he knew them well enough. Everyone knows everyone a little bit in a place the size of Quincy, particularly if you have kids of the same approximate age. What makes me curious is whether Johnny wanted to learn self defense out of general interest, or something else. Whatever the case, not really surprising.
Also about Mike: Maybe Mike was warned off the case. Having Dana Wingate at his home the day before his death could have something to do with that, coupled with the reason he was reprimanded previously; I don't think they trusted him after that. In any event, he seems to have changed his mind about some things between Josh's disaster and the present. Since he's really the only one other than Hagwood to push things forward, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Dmac, please stop calling people fuck-knobs. Don't be mean.
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Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:00 am #5
Being stupid is mean, and fuck-knobs are fuck-knobs. That won't stop. Trump is God, so don't piss your pants over the nazi storm that will obscure my open anger at assholiness.
Mike was FIRED before the murders for calling DOUG THOMAS a FUCKING LIAR on local radio, stating Doug was LYING about no DRUG PROBLEMS in PLUMAS. Think for a second about why Mike was rehired: he sued and WON because he was falsely fired. THINK why Mike was told to STAY AWAY FROM THE KEDDIE CASE. The coverup is about DRUGS, and Mike did not toe the PCSO line about the Plumas drug trade. He knew drugs were all over, but had no clue how high it went up his own chain of command. DUMBASS MORONIC CUNTS cannot grasp the obvious.
Look at Mike and Greg. They utterly despised my site and the conclusions we'd been drawing- until they vetted the info and realized they'd been blind to what was going on around them. Gam originally thought Crimely were a GOOD THING (see the the Josh Shituments) until he realized, through our research, they are crooked DOJ fucks.
Meanie, don't ever tell me how to speak. Delete my account but NEVER touch the sting of my words. They are usually quite damned intentional. Particularly when directed at moronic cunts such as the KMIX TWINZ.
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Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:44 am #6
Maybe you didn't read my post well enough Spooked. We were surprised that Sue (the loner) attended a barbque that Mike G. attended. We said nothing about Keddie (maybe you just didn't comprehend what you were reading). Mike's the one that said he knew the family well not me. For kids taking judo classes they showed no signs of trying to defend themselves at all.
As Meanie said people know everyone a little bit in a town the size of Quincy. Why doesn't this apply to how Marty and Doug may have known each other?
We don't need to read anything you wrote on the discovery of Tina's remains. We need to see proof of the day the remains were discovered. The Butte County Coroners Report isn't gonna be useful because it also says she was reported missing 4-11-81. But unless you think Marty, Marilyn, Tony, Bo, or Dee reported Tina missing on 4-11-81 before going over to commit murder in Cabin 28 then we all can agree that she was reported missing on 4-12-81. Maybe the show could have done a little investigating for themselves? Maybe interviewing the guy who found the skull and ask him when he discovered it?
You can write up a 100 page post on Mike G's firing, but it will not change the fact that Mike G. was NOT working with the PCSO when the murders happened. It also will not change the fact that Greg H said on the show that he was.
The core 4? We have know idea who you are referring to and could care less (and probably even less that that) about who is a beginner or not. That has nothing to do with the case. Maybe getting away from some of the original speculation from the old forums would help this case a lot.
The show was not bad and especially for someone who doesn't know anything about the murders. And Spooked, we can honestly say that of all the misleading and hazy recollection of most of those interviewed, you are about the only one that was actually consistent. If Mike changed his mind about the DOJ he should have explained that for those of us who have watched the Keddie documentaries.
We're glad you were able to open the eyes of Mike and Greg to the "corruption" that was going on around them. But you must understand that is not very encouraging to the people who have put their faith in them to solve this case. Them needing you to show them what was happening right up under their own noses is very puzzling. We are talking about hometown guys here, years apart in age, so it's just very hard to believe that they didn't know of any "corruption" going on. The only information told that we had never read was that witnesses had stated Joel L was in the Keddie Bar that night. NO doubt that there is information in those PCSO files that we (and you) have never and will never see. So all you have and will ever have is a one sided story. If Sheila and the rest of the family are content with that - oh well. But before coming to that conclusion wouldn't you want to know everything?
PCSO can keep misleading people with BITS and PIECES of the "Love Letter" but we know what they are doing - misleading. Show the entire letter and let people decide for themselves. Why aren't you exposing these lies and liars on your forum? That's what you said you were going to do. Why aren't you doing it? The only valuable thing the love letter could contain is DNA. Does the DNA from that letter not match anything found in that cabin? And no possible way we will believe there are no prints or dna from all of that evidence. NO POSSIBLE WAY! Somebody's prints and dna were in that cabin and taken into evidence. Either Marty's match or they don't. We just hope it doesn't take another 35 years to find out.
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Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:13 am #7
Wow. You can't understand the scene, so Gam was a crap teacher. Brilliant. COMPLETE FUCKING MORON.
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Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:57 pm #8
I wouldn't know if Mike was or was not a good judo instructor. The scene leaves a lot of questions that only someone as brilliant as you could understand
Hope you could follow all of that!
Isn't it funny how the only thing he answered was how Mike was fired for calling Doug a liar on the radio? Funny that's not what was reported in the FRB. The hammer being found and reported to Dmac instead of the police is crazy. I'd love to know how many hammers are buried around our place courtesy of our kids (cause over a 5 year period we lost about 5)! If the Butte County tape was at the bottom of a box, but found within 2 weeks of the ID show contacting them, then I'd like to know what Mike was looking for the previous 3 years he was "working on the case". Yes it was possibly at his house the whole time (won't be the first time he's been accused of taking things home). And I wonder why all those guys investigating the case never made it into the corruption scandal (instead of just a lucky few).
If the Butte tape really revealed what they say it did then why didn't they play that part? After all they didn't mind showing the "Love Letter's" most "damning taken out of context" sentence. I'll believe the caller confirmed the remains were Tina's when I hear it -
I would like to add this. Our (KMIK's) desire was NEVER to try to prove Dmac wrong but to find out the truth. If he wanted a forum only for his opinion and speculation then he should never have invited members to join. During our year on his forum we finally realized that although his logo was, "Exposing the truth one liar at a time", there he was dangling in the web himself.
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Post by jmo on May 22, 2018 0:13:30 GMT -6
Excellent! And, yes I could! You brought up some really, really good points. And, no, David answered nothing. Has he ever?? What kind of a love affair does he have going with Gamberg? I still can't figure that out! Doug thought Mike was an idiot. It's a shame that these two can run their mouths about everyone (including their few chosen LE) and nothing is done about it. He throws in all this irrelevant stuff and won't even try to work with facts. It's like everytime someone asks him a legitimate question he hollers, "Yo Mama!" and thinks he has you over a barrel. Anger + Lonely. He'd deny both but it's true. I don't know how you keep such a cool head.
If that envelope had been reported as opened, we would never even know if people did or did not listen to it. Wouldn't even be an issue. (We'd just assume it was.) So, why wasn't it "found" until Gamberg? Why say it was still sealed? Something stinks. Right now I just picture Gamberg lying in bed asking himself over and over, "Why didn't I just rip it open? Why didn't I just rip it open?" Haha Everybody makes mistakes...
Maybe it was Pedrini that called. lol Picture this. You find a skull. You ask around. You hear nothing. You wait. You hear nothing. Just crickets. You expect to hear something. Anything. But, no. So, you call. They treat you like "well...uh huh and WHICH skull are you referring to again?" TBT I'd be curious if I found a skull. Might even try to be helpful (just call me Marty the Helpful lol) but I probably couldn't wait to get off the phone either! I'd hang up the phone and say aloud, "Wellllll, that was probably a mistake." haha
And, Lordy, Lordy. Don't even get me started on the "Love Letter". haha!!
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Post by Admin Horan on May 22, 2018 13:09:12 GMT -6
1. Calling the state police for help in a MULTIPLE homicide and kidnapping case is what a small-town PD is SUPPOSED to do. There was NO ONE in PCSO remotely qualified to handle this case. Obviously.
2. The EXACT SAME PEOPLE who bitch and bitch about how "political" PCSO is are the EXACT SAME PEOPLE who have a MOTIVE for FRAMING Doug Thomas and others for being "corrupt." What I'm saying is, Gamberg, Hagwood, and others ADMIT they have PERSONAL GRUDGES for getting REVENGE against Thomas, Stoy, etc.
3. I'll say it again--it was DOUG THOMAS and Crim and Bradley who treated Bo and Marty like suspects. The second AFTER Doug Thomas announced he was quitting, PCSO DROPPED Bo and Marty and started looking at Chuck and Henry. If ANYBODY at PCSO "covered" for Marty and Bo, it was whoever REPLACED Thomas in this investigation.
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Post by kmik on May 22, 2018 18:20:04 GMT -6
If Crim and Bradley interviewed Marty after speaking with the therapist (and I believe they did) then they must have been as satisfied with his statement as the officer was who interviewed Henry. They had no proof or evidence to go on with any of the suspects.
I think it all boils down to the obvious fact that the police have no DNA that matches anyone other than the people already in cabin 28. Then figure in Tina being gone from 28 but the 3 boys being left alive (with 2 saying they slept through it and 1 who couldn't seem to get his dreams straight) and it seems to equal the boys protecting somebody that was worth all 3 of them protecting for 37 years. If they have not told the truth then why should we expect anyone else to? Who knows maybe they've been completely honest - but I can only see it as being very puzzling to the police.
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Post by jmo on May 24, 2018 18:13:13 GMT -6
red material (color: red) part of boot (color: brown) piece of cloth (color: pink / belt-like material knotted in loop)
Tina's jacket was blue and she was wearing tennis shoes. Nothing matches with what Tina had but we are supposed to believe this slinky pink outfit that was found (how far away??) at the pond by a Seabolt girl is connected to her in some way, shape, or fashion??
From my undertanding, the knots must not match or we'd have heard about that connection. For all we know that pink thingy blew out of the back of somebody's pickup truck. Or somebody used it to tie up their bumper. Or someone was using it as a hairtie.
Or it was just
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Post by getem on Aug 20, 2020 13:36:41 GMT -6
This is a reply to JMO's post about the items found with Tina's remains. I have been wondering about this for years. Forever I have seen it posted about the tape reel being what was left from binding the victims, but now I read it's the tape of the phone tip? If that pink material isn't connected to that pink pantsuit or whatever, are we even sure that was Tina? The guy in the documentary even said they thought it was a native person from long ago until they got the bug in their ear about it being Tina. It sure how reliable dental matches are, and I'm not sure it would change a whole lot except there are a lot of speculations and theories based on where she was found. This is my first post. Hope I didn't F it up!
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Post by kmik on Aug 20, 2020 22:12:28 GMT -6
Great post! Here is what was documented:
On June 18, 1984, DOJ personnel Paul Pane advised me a positive match was made and the bones and skull were the remains of Tina Sharp of Keddie.
Remains are to be examined by Sacramento County Coroner's Office when released from DOJ."
Document # 2: Property Report / Recovered Property / Evidence / dated 6-7-84
quantity: 2 quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 1 item: vertebrae item: rib item: rib item: bone
quantity: 1 quantity: 2 quantity: 1 quantity: 1 item: bone item: ribs item: vertebra item: vertebra
quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 1 item: bone item: rib item: bone item: lower jaw
quantity: 1 quantity: 3 quantity: 1 quantity: 1 item: bone item: ribs item: bone item: tooth
quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 2 quantity: 1 item: vertebra item: rib item: ribs item: rib
quantity: 1 quantity: 1 quantity: 3 quantity: 1 item: vertebra item: bone item: bones item: possibly tooth
quantity: 1 item: red material (color: red)
quantity: 1 item: piece of cloth (color: pink / belt-like material knotted in loop)
quantity: 1 item: part of boot (color: brown)
quantity: 1 item: piece of cord (color: white)
Document # 3: Property Report / Recovered Property / Evidence / dated 6-5-84 / place of seizure: Butte County Sheriff's Office
quantity: 1 item: tape reel (communication tape)
quantity: 1 item: micro-cassette tape (recording from item above)
Her body was discovered on April 22, 1984. On 6-21-84 the area was searched for any evidence that COULD be connected to the case. So the truth is we have no idea if the tape dispenser was even connected to this case but just taken into evidence to see if it was. I think it's been said this was a place that people were using as a dump so we have no idea if it was ever even connected to the case. Good question. How how was she identified ? Correct me if I'm wrong but I only see one tooth and a partial tooth listed so I'm guessing in 1981 that's how she was identified?
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