I'm not so sure that I think it could easily be solved today because I believe there is something in all that evidence that continues to stump the police. In my opinion the police should be completely baffled at the thought that Ricky has, for 38 years, continued (to my knowledge) to insist that he slept through these murders and unless he was drugged I cannot for the life of me see that happening.
Most people's answer to the boys claim of sleeping all night is that they didn't but were forced to participate and out of fear and shame have kept their mouths shut. But remember on Sunday morning April 12, 1981 all 3 claimed to have slept through the night and it wasn't until the next day that Justin changed his unbelievable story of sleeping to the very believable story that he did not sleep through it.
The thought that 3 boys were left alive (whether asleep or not) is mind boggling especially since Tina was not left in the cabin dead or alive. People's answer to that is Justin was Marty's step son. Okay. Back up. That makes absolutely no sense - none. Wouldn't it have been much easier (and far, far, less risky) for Marty to have killed the whole family and have Justin say he climbed out the window and hid out of fear until the morning? Thank God Ricky, Greg, and Justin survived but their survival, more than likely, had absolutely nothing to do with them being forced to participate in hopes of them keeping their mouths shut - if so it certainly didn't work for Justin who (if Marty was the killer) should have been the very last one to talk. There is a very big piece to this puzzle missing and that's probably because the police for the last 38 years have had a lot of sympathy for what these kids have gone through. That's very understandable but probably the biggest mistake of this case. The first "for sure" mistake of the case was made April 12, 1981 when Sheila was allowed to go to her Uncle Don's house without giving a statement until later that evening - and like I've said it's very understandable - but should have never happened.
Yes I agree, the police had a lot of sympathy for those kids so they've also kept the truth. And also if it is other people who did it they would've killed the other kids too especially Tina. I really had this feeling that maybe Tina ran away because she was feeling guilty of what had happened or either just trying to escape because she was also one of those who performed the crime. And well you know it really is a shame to report a news in which kids are involved in killing especially it involves their place so the Police kept some of those evidences. But I wonder about the DNA Mike Gamberg talked abt..It was just last yr right? So now maybe almost a year passed by, and yet no word from them. But I woudn't be surprised if again they'll point out another suspect. And also I wonder about the other neighbors, it seems like they've kept their mouth shut maybe because of the police. It's just like everything is already a "set up" now..
And also about Shiela, about her personality it seems like she's a very strong person, I mean she would've been traumatized with what she saw, I mean it's a big possibility too but it seems like she can take everything so easily. And yes she screamed that time she saw their dead bodies but after that maybe after a few days she's already doin very fine.And also maybe she talked to her uncle about what really happened...and the other two Sharp kids, it really is impossible that they've slept all night. And the investigators they always make the case so complicated. And maybe during the investigation they even ruined the positions of the crime scene. And I also believe that maybe its also about the insulin of Dana that everything gone wrong and that all of the other kids who were still alive actually participated because they've mistaken what they saw outside their bedroom. It was like maybe Johnny tried to control Dana because of the effect of him not having the insulin shot. And everything went wrong then Sue went out of bed and maybe Tina followed and misunderstood everything so she might've fought even with her Mom then Justin went out of bed and maybe even Rick and Greg...or it can also be that those kids already planned everything like a rebel to their Mom...but only that there's also a big possibility that it's not premeditated because the weapons came from inside the house so they might have been in a hurry that time. And come to think of it even the underwear of Sue and blue bandana was also used to gagged her mouth and even the telephone wires used to bind their bodies it also indicates that they were very much in a hurry that time like they weren't thinking straight because they're not professional killers or its their first time to kill so whatever materials/weapons they found inside the house, those are the ones they used, like the steak knife...If the killers were Mafia members they would have done it so clean, everything will be planned so well.
The only problem about Sheila “acting normal” or seeming like she was fine after she saw the bodies could be wrong. We truly don’t know how she fully felt after, and she could have been trying to stay strong since after that day she was officially the oldest of the family to her two younger brothers. Also, a friend of mine I use to work with woke up to her ex boyfriend axing her new boyfriend in the head and then shot him self in front of her. She came back to work two weeks later. Not to say she was fine, after witnessing that no one is completely okay, but everyone has different ways of handling things. As far as Tina being involved, I could maybe see it, or maybe she was forced to be involved, unfortunately we may never know what fully happened with Tina. Last time I saw gamberg do an interview, correct me if I’m wrong, had said that there were a few suspects he think he had down that were still alive and he knew where they were and they found DNA of a living suspect on a piece of tape near sues head (dmac claims it’s Justin’s). I’ve heard that 6 people are believed to be involved whether with the crime itself or the after math. The only question I have is if they found DNA from a living person at the scene why haven’t they done anything about it? (Assuming they haven’t)
I'm in no way saying Sheila was involved in the murders but I am saying that there is little doubt, by late afternoon when Shaver took her statement, that her uncle Don had already gone over what was important for her to say and omit (after all it wasn't his fault police allowed her to leave).
I feel like she probably painted her mom in the best light possible to police. Sue was no saint but certainly not any worse than many women living in Quincy and Keddie. However there are many things that indicate problems at home. Sue was with Dareyl Josephson until 2:30am just a week before the murders - who was watching the kids (that would have been a school night) On the documentary Tina's sweet little old teacher made it clear Tina was not getting the help she needed at home and no doubt Sue was overwhelmed with Shelia's baby adoption, Tina's molesting, and Johnny's defiance but kids don't understand what adults go through until they are adults - Sue would have had her hands full even if all 5 of these kids would have been angels - but there were not and 3 of them were teenagers. And there is a reason Tina went home that night and it was either on her own (why would she do that) or her mother made her come home (but why would she do that since stayed at the Seabolts till almost bedtime that night anyway). I think in an investigation you start within and work your way out so no doubt the police had many questions for Shelia and the boys about their family life -
On a side note the DNA match to a living suspect was told on Dmac's forum in 2014 - that doesn't mean the police found out in 2014 it just means that's when it was told. This DNA match has obviously been around for years and not the "new evidence" portrayed in the news articles.
First time posting here, but I've been following the case and the other boards for years. I'm glad there is still a place to discuss the case.
I think it's possible the boys *did* tell police what they saw, and that they were told (by the police) that in order to be safe they needed to tell everyone that they slept through the murders. It was reported in the newspaper accounts of the murders that the boys had slept through everything. That information could have been planted for the purposes of keeping them safe. Fear would be a great motivation to keep quiet, especially after what they'd just been through. And if that's the case, the only reason they have never talked (and that Jason has never written the book he used to say he'd write) is because they believe they are still in danger if they do.
As for Sheila, never underestimate how trauma may impact a person, especially if they had a shaky emotional support system to begin with. That outward appearance of strength and detachment can be the face of post traumatic stress.
Hello and welcome Skeptic! We all have our own thoughts and opinions on the case and we love to hear everyones. I agree everyone deals with things differently and it's possible Sue's family didn't want to traumatize the kids any further by questioning them endlessly and in my opinion Sheila has helped bring light to this case. But I still have to wonder if she was hesitant on telling things to the police that might make her family look not so perfect.
The newspaper originally reported all 3 boys as sleeping but (and I'll have to go back and check the newspapers) soon released info that one may have actually been awake. If Justin saw what he claimed to have seen the killer would have definitely seen him as there was no way to see what he said he saw unless he was standing outside of the bedroom. So if he saw the killer then the killer saw him and he would have already been in danger. If any of the boys saw anything they would have to have been outside of the bedroom (as Don Stoy already confirmed at the time of the murders). I can see the police, for their safety, holding that info at the time of the murders but not for 38 years. I don't believe Justin ever had any intention of writing a book but was just making that claim to keep everyone on the edge of their seats. Sheila said she would sue him if he used her name, so if he had any real intentions she certainly wasn't going to allow him to do that without trouble. I can't imagine her not wanting to hear what story he'd tell (whether it be truth or lie) since she herself claimed to want answers and since she went on to write a book herself.
Yes even me I'm curious about Shiela...it's really hard to conclude...but I just really hope that everyone of those people involved should cooperate as much as they can...well then maybe Shiela learned how to be strong because of her younger brothers..I hope Plumas County release about the latest news or I mean abt the development of the case.I really feel pity for Sue. Whether or not she's a bad mother she doesnt deserved to die like that or to be killed..and also even the other victims..and Tina well yes maybe she was just forced to participate.
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By the way just now, I read abt this article abt the keddie murders..someone posted it on Find a Grave with the name of Glenna Sue Sharp... briankeithohara.blogspot.com/2014/11/lamar-potts-honest-georgia-sheriff-and.html You need to scroll because there are also other murder stories posted..he said something abt May 31, 2019 update..abt Tina being pregnant..but you have to understand..I feel confused abt it..
Oh thanks for that I enjoy reading anything about the Keddie murders. Just be careful reading this because somethings we know (from police reports) are not accurate such as "three reports in the evidence box indicate Marty was the perpetrator" in Tina's molesting. It is well known that Daniel French was the man who Tina and her friend accused of molesting them in 1980 when the Sharp's lived in Quincy. The "report" of Tina being pregnant and Marty being the father was gossip traced back to Kathy Beckley and told after the murders.
The guy that wrote this seemed to think that Johnny, Tina, Sue, and Dana's names have been smeared but the truth is this was a murder investigation so all the good, bad, and ugly was bound to come to light. That happens to anyone who dies in a questionable manner and certainly should not have been any different in a murder investigation. I don't believe there is anyone who would say that any of these people deserved to die because they did not - but at the same time nobody can say they were perfect because they were not - nobody is. Looking at their background was and is necessary to determine if there was a possible motive for the murders. So bringing out the good, bad, and ugly is about looking for a motive not character assassination.
I DO NOT believe that there is anybody that ACTUALLY knew and loved these people before the murders that would be influenced to love these people any less just because things have come to light that they might not have known about them.
Yes kmik You're right and well, in death everyone becomes a saint. But all of us are actually sinners while we live...well yeah I also understand what he was trying to say..and also because he pitied those people too and yes even me. But a crime will always be a crime, I hope everything or the truth will come to light. But the hardest thing I guess is that the other people involved are not cooperating. But we can also rely on the physical evidences but those people also needs to cooperate but too bad they've even kept the other physical evidences. And what happened to the DNA testing?and who are those 6 people Gamberg's trying to point out?it's already a yr right?and oh how I pray those other Sharp kids will tell the truth one day because their family members who died deserves justice no matter how good or bad they were when they were still alive. But the problem with the other sharp kids is that they're always quiet abt it, to think that the other people heard their screams and that they were asleep until morning is really unbelieveable. So they must have been keeping something or they're trying to protect someone or something that has really happened.
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