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Post by hope on Oct 19, 2020 11:50:49 GMT -6
I went back and read the "Excellent Citizen Report" again. I remember wondering who the Compton brothers were. But I hadn't remembered that comment about Vernal. I'm not sure about Carla being questioned either, will have to keep an eye out for that. Very interesting Vernal knowing something has come up more than once.
Do you guys know anything about the Compton brothers or family? Wondering if they were known to be involved with drugs or "connected" in some way?
Wasn't there a post on one of the forums way back when where another person also said it was the Comptons? It may have been on Bonnie's Life of Crime.
jmo, do you still happen to have the Vernal info you mentioned posting previously? I'd love to see what you have, you always have such good, little known info : )
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 19, 2020 13:44:46 GMT -6
The Compton bros came up a few times. I think in the interviews a female says they had a picture of the sharps with their faces blacked out. Older posts from locals back in the day, say they moved and changed schools within the week. There were other things alluded to, that's what was frustrating. There was some good info on some older threads, but alot of things "alluded to" that nobody would expand on. Most of it sounded like people working themselves up with conspiracy theories.
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Post by kmik on Oct 19, 2020 19:14:24 GMT -6
I'm gonna condense this down so it's not a book - and I'm going off memory here so somethings may be a little off - feel free to correct it.
The Compton family lived in Quincy and were sometimes confused with the Crocker family on the old forum (maybe one of the Compton girls married a Crocker?) and I don't remember them moving away after the murders but some did eventually move away and some are still there. The mom worked for the Plumas School District and started the Head Start Program. They were a well known family with maybe 10 children (8 boys 2 girls) and probably well thought of but some of the boys were trouble.
In 1984 the Excellent Citizen Report was reported to the police (some say Donna Williams was the hitch hiker?) bringing up the Comptons name (again?)
In 1985 (probably after the Excellent Report) Brian Compton was interviewed by LE and said that Johnny and Dana had been at a party at his house that night and 2 weird guys from Oroville were there too but the party didn't materialize so they took the sterio back over to Brian's (friend, cousin?) Daniel S who lived next door at the time. Daniel was interviewed also./p]
In 2001 in a FRB article Don Stoy said they had evidence that the boys were at the party of a well known family and 2 weird behaving men possibly from Oroville were there. It also goes on to say that there is rumor that someone from the party committed the murders.
The Compton's were black so if there's any truth to the composites there was no mention of anyone being black. My question is if the party never materialized (I'm assuming to mean nobody really showed up) then why wouldn't he know who the two guys from Oroville (getting closer to Camp 18) were - why would two random guys from Oroville show up at Brian Compton's party when nobody much else from Quincy did? Doesn't make sense and he's the one who admitted to the boys being there.
Steve Durham (who supposedly gave the boys a ride to the park that night) had been at a party on the same road (Lee Street) as the Comptons "party".
Hope, in the Bonnie's Life of Crime post Heather was Shellie B's daughter (she's on Tina's friend list) and she said her dad (she gave his name) was at the Oakland camp party and Johnny and Dana were there. I sometimes wonder if some of these "parties" weren't one party or if some claimed to be at the Oakland Camp party but were really at the party "that nobody admitted to being at". Just a thought.
Also Karl Spang mentioned one of the Comptons in one of his stories also. I could go on and on ……………
If the boys didn’t eat at the foster home and Pat gave them hamburger money then what did they do with the money? Certainly it wasn’t much
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Post by hope on Oct 20, 2020 8:22:40 GMT -6
Thanks for the info guys. You do such a great job of connecting the people on the PON list, misc reports, timing, etc. That is not my strong suit lol. There are so many people on that PON list. I remember Stoy mentioning that in the paper but didn't know what family he was speaking of. I was also confusing the Comptons and the Crockers. I found the old post I was thinking of and that was about the Crockers. It is another thing that says the murders happened because of stolen acid. And according to that post it was the Crockers who moved and changed schools shortly after the murders. Oroville is also mentioned in that post. Are they related to the Crockers that built the railroads? It mentions the family is well known and probably had political connections. I'm sure you guys have seen it before, but I will attach the post below. Brian's statement to police is certainly odd. These strange guys from Oroville show up to his party that never materialized and he doesn't know who they are? Weird, that guys from Oroville are also mentioned in the post from Bonnie's, and as being who the acid was stolen from. All the parties are confusing to me as well. When I was a teenager if we had a party (usually at a spot in the woods) everyone was there, tons of kids. There weren't all these different parties going on everywhere, everyone was at the same one party together. The fact that Johnny & Dana spent the night mostly wandering around instead of being at a party for most of the night is odd to me as well. You would think they would want to be with everyone else.
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Post by karis on Oct 20, 2020 9:03:08 GMT -6
I cannot find anything in the FRB about any Crocker's. Could it be Coker's?
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Post by hope on Oct 20, 2020 9:35:05 GMT -6
I'm not sure, someone else probably knows better than me though. I don't have access to FRB but I did a google search for "Croker Family Quincy, California" and "Croker Family Plumas County". Came up with the Charles Croker who built the WP railroad and there is a Croker Campground in Portola. Couldn't find out much else and all info was from the late 1800s and early 1900s other than the mention of a child/grandchild born in 1947.
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Post by elantric on Oct 20, 2020 12:44:51 GMT -6
I'm not sure, someone else probably knows better than me though. I don't have access to FRB but I did a google search for "Croker Family Quincy, California" and "Croker Family Plumas County". Came up with the Charles Croker who built the WP railroad and there is a Croker Campground in Portola. Couldn't find out much else and all info was from the late 1800s and early 1900s other than the mention of a child/grandchild born in 1947. CROCKER FAMILY is major in California - Charles Crocker founder of the Central Pacific Railroad founded "CROCKER CITIZENS BANK" based in San Francisco en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_spikeThe golden spike (also known as The Last Spike[1]) is the ceremonial 17.6-karat gold final spike driven by Leland Stanford to join the rails of the First Transcontinental Railroad across the United States connecting the Central Pacific Railroad from Sacramento and the Union Pacific Railroad from Omaha on May 10, 1869, at Promontory Summit, Utah Territory. The term last spike has been used to refer to one driven at the usually ceremonial completion of any new railroad construction projects, particularly those in which construction is undertaken from two disparate origins towards a common meeting point. The spike is now displayed in the Cantor Arts Center at Stanford University.[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Crockeren.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocker_National_BankFamily Tree gw.geneanet.org/tdowling?lang=en&n=crocker&oc=0&p=charles
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Post by hope on Oct 20, 2020 14:28:08 GMT -6
Awesome! Thanks so much elantric!!!
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Post by johnreno on Oct 22, 2020 16:26:36 GMT -6
For what it's worth, there are no Crockers in the 1981 Plumas County phone directory. If the family that left and changed schools was "wealthy and influential" you'd think they'd turn up there or in the FRB.
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Post by kmik on Oct 22, 2020 16:52:49 GMT -6
We’re there any Cokers there? People may just be confusing them with the Compton family.
If you have a Plumas phone book from ‘81 could you see if it has an address for the Alvey’s?
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Post by johnreno on Oct 22, 2020 17:16:56 GMT -6
No Cokers, but there is a Cokor family and the FRB shows their kids as honor students before and long after 1981. Directory says Jackie was living on Manzanita Wy in East Quincy at that time.
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Post by kmik on Oct 22, 2020 18:25:44 GMT -6
Thanks JR that would have been a long walk from Keddie
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Post by hope on Oct 22, 2020 19:56:16 GMT -6
Yes, thanks john! I wondered if maybe Crokers and Comptons were being mixed up too. Or wrong last name all together if there's even any truth to it. You would definitely think a "wealthy & influential" family would show up in those searches.
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Post by johnreno on Oct 22, 2020 20:40:50 GMT -6
I would add that if the “Crockers” had any affiliation with the railroad/banking family, (and no disrespect to Quincy schools) I seriously doubt they would be publicly schooling their kids in Plumas County, much less be connected to biker gangs in Oroville. Wish we could confirm the name/pronunciation.
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Post by snoho17 on Nov 2, 2020 21:52:32 GMT -6
COMPTON, RAYNARD
Spang said he & Dana made deal with him to sell LSD, he was at party in MV, denied
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