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Post by kmik on Aug 11, 2017 21:37:46 GMT -6
We will probably never know if Ricky was or wasn't awake. I can understand what you and Tom are saying about the noise, but the Sharp's house has never been portrayed as the neighborhood hangout. Sheila had been gone to Oregon when the family moved to Keddie (and had only returned about a month before the murders), Tina was spending her time at the Seabolt's, and Johnny was spending his at the Meek's house. Johnny's room was in the basement and Sue, Tina, and Sheila all shared a room. So any real teenage noise would have probably been in the basement not the house.
On the other hand Justin was living in a cramped cabin with Marilyn, Marty, Casey and Lori (who was around 15 at the time). Lori had only been gone from Keddie about a month before the murders. If Marty was into drugs (as it appears many in Keddie were) and had people such as the Meeks coming and going from their house then Justin should have been as immune to noise as it appears the Sharp boys were. From the layout it looks like The Smartt's cabin was even smaller than the Sharps. So yes it's hard for me to believe that Ricky and Greg slept through the noise because they were use to it but Justin wasn't. According to what Marilyn said when she joined 28 last year this wasn't the first time Justin had spent the night with the Sharp's.
But for all we know Ricky and Greg did talk. We've never seen their interviews. In the Shaver report on the morning of the murders it said that 5 year old Greg Sharp was not contacted at that time (but neither was Sheila). So we know he was interviewed later, just like Sheila, and he must have told something that caused Doug T. to want to hypnotize him. But either they did or didn't and even though that's what the papers and police have led us to believe - maybe that was just told to protect the boys.
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Post by cancersucks on Aug 12, 2017 15:45:36 GMT -6
You're right. I did think about Johnny and friends being in the basement room at Keddie and Sheila not being in Keddie til closer to the murders. I was thinking earlier in the kids' lives they were around a lot of noise, especially when their parents were fighting. I hadn't thought about traffic in and out of the Smartt cabin.
I will probably always wonder what info we have only parts of and complete misinformation.
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Post by Admin Horan on Aug 23, 2017 9:54:21 GMT -6
As I understand it, Johnny's "room" in the lower level was just a cot in the very small utility room. So, on a Saturday night, why wouldn't everyone be in the living room? I think they brought "company" home, and things somehow got out of hand. Why else would Sue go into the bedroom for a while? Sheila reminds Ricky on that one tape that Sue usually slept on the couch.
I think two of the biggest false assumptions (that is, most potentially misleading) is that the "intruders" jumped into lethal violence the minute they stepped into the cabin, and that they "must" have been acquaintances of the Sharps. Those two angles were pretty thoroughly investigated. If, on the other hand, they were acquaintances of DANA's, AND the evening started off relatively peacefully, that would explain why theory number one leads nowhere. In fact, I think the files pertaining to the REAL prime suspect(s) were NOT kept in the box that Josh took--they were kept in a more secure filing cabinet, and all we've seen are the dead ends.
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Post by kmik on Aug 23, 2017 19:54:03 GMT -6
I agree that more than likely Josh never got any real files pertaining to suspects they seriously looked at. Yes it is very possible they brought company home. I may be wrong but I think Johnny still had his Jacket on although I think Dana's was on the floor? I could be wrong it just doesn't seem they had time to get comfortable before things got out of hand.
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Post by rosedawson on Feb 9, 2018 15:41:40 GMT -6
I hope that I will be safe here discussing these murders. I came here because it seems to be a place where people are decent. I'm sorry to start with a negative post, but Dmac ousted me today from 28 because I told him that I though it was wrong of him to speak so badly about Shelia Sharp. This is what he wrote to me:
Oh, just fuck your stupid, sanctimonious self, Cheer. Pull the dildo out of your ass, along with that 2x4, and fuck the fuck off of this site. You are a stupid, presumptuous, thick-headed twat.
You don't understand this case any more than you understand 1981 or 2018. You sure as fuck don't understand anything about the victims or the killers.
Go back to Fox Newz, you vile, worthless cow.
Your shallow, worthless cunt antics got you banned, you chunk-snot-swilling pigfuck.
Bye, now. Have a GREAT day!
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Post by rosedawson on Feb 9, 2018 15:48:41 GMT -6
I was very upset about it at first, but not anymore. I hope it was okay to share.
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Post by kmik on Feb 9, 2018 18:01:58 GMT -6
Rose, sorry to hear you were banned from 28 for your opinion (we've all been there and done that) but glad you decided to join us. I don't think any of us think Sue was "Mother of the Year" but neither was I. And regardless of what anybody thinks about her, she nor any of the others, deserved to be murdered. Same is true for Sheila. No matter if she knows more than what she's told this was her family. I can't understand why people on 28 have such a hard time discussing the case without using such filthy language - but I guess they are just following their leader. There are very few people still posting on there and they endure his abuse for his information (which is available elsewhere). Many confuse 28 as being the head of this investigation because of his "friendship" with Mike Gamberg. Why in the world would Mike Gamberg align himself with a man who not only speaks this way but also has publically, through his forum and FB, declared he wanted certain people dead? It doesn't say a lot for Mike Gamberg - or does it?
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Post by Admin Horan on Feb 9, 2018 18:05:31 GMT -6
Welcome, Rose! No personal attacks are allowed here, and I even delete/edit posts sticking up for dmac. Otherwise, discuss away!
Tom, Owner of this website.
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Post by jmo on Feb 10, 2018 13:21:03 GMT -6
Rose: I saw you were a newby and I was just waiting for him to rip into you. (Sorry, girl!) It's just what he does. I had my turn as well. There is NO discussion on 28. Thus the 350 people on and 6 posting. I call them his Minions. For what it's worth, I was impressed at how you stood up for yourself but it's best to walk away. He did you a favor. lol Nobody here seems to mind when you ask questions....they're actually answered! Imagine that! lol I do wish I was able to upload pictures though. Maybe you can make that simpler, Tom? idk I do have the Keddie book Josh wrote and there is one picture of Johnny's room that I don't think I've seen anywhere before?...I could be mistaken. ***Thank you for teaching our children, Rose! :-) What a thankless, underpaid job.
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Post by rosedawson on Feb 10, 2018 21:25:56 GMT -6
I've been reading this forum ALL DAY! I am MUCH better informed! Sounds like Sue moved her kids right out of the frying pan into the fire; twice even, when she moved from Quincy to Keddie. Tina's father raped her and Shelia, then Tina is raped again in Quincy (by some old pervert in a trailer park), then taken and maybe raped again before she died. Even her teacher was a pedophile? This kid had a terrible, albeit short, life. She must have been very damaged by the time she was twelve-years-old. That's how old she was when the murders occurred, correct? I've read that Tina and Shelia hated their mother (and maybe each other, by then). Sue must have been close only with her two youngest sons, but Johnny didn't seem to hate her. He was certainly heading down the wrong path; for sure. Maybe he didn't hate Sue, just wasn't interested in his family anymore (like a lot of kids his age). I got a little confused by Phillip's story about him and FIVE other men/boys riding to Keddie in an old Chevy truck. And, of course, Marty Smart had to be one of them. I can definitely say that the old Chevy truck has ALWAYS stuck out to me for some odd reason (just a feeling that the murderers were in that truck). I read what Tom wrote about this instead being the Green & White Blazer because the old truck could not have held FIVE boys/men in the cab, but could the boys and Phillip have ridden in the back of the truck? Was it too cold for that? Approximately 9:00: Steve D. picks up Johnny (and Dana) at the Exxon Station and drives to the park near the airport looking for a party. Dana appeared to be drunk and told Steve he had been drinking something other than beer. Johnny, Dana and Steve drove through the park, but did not see any parties. Steve then dropped Johnny and Dana off back at the Exxon Station around 9:30 (or at least this is what he tells Richard M. at the arcade when Steve arrives at the arcade at 10). While at Exxon, Phillip met up with Johnny and Dana. They were getting a ride from three people in a pick-up. The pick-up was described as between a 1954 and 1957 Chev., dark green with something similar to a roll bar in the back. He said one of the men was named Martin Smartt, and lived at the end of the road in Keddie. Approximate time: Around 10? Smartt observes two subjects, described as white males, bearded, "hippie types," leaving the Backdoor Bar and getting into an old pickup truck. Approximate time: 10:50 - 11:00 pm. Unidentified male states to Allen C. that he didn't notice anything unusual at the Sharp residence, except that a truck was parked there. Approximate time: 11:30 - midnight. Is it possible that the two people in the old truck were Carey and Henry? Could Marty have really been with them? Do you think Marty really saw the hippies leaving the Backdoor in the old pick-up? Anyone else see the truck parked at the Sharp residence at around midnight? If so, was it old and green? I haven't forgotten about the railroad guy, high on acid from the acid party right next to Cabin 28, that played a game with the boys that got out of control at Cabin 28 that night. I just can't wrap my head around this new information (at least to me) yet. Sue's children lived in a jungle of pedophiles, with acid parties taking place next door, with an inattentive mother in a little mountain village where nobody even bothered to lock their doors. Seriously? Her little boys are just damn lucky they got out alive, imo.
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Post by kmik on Feb 10, 2018 22:51:05 GMT -6
Anything is possible. Phillips story is interesting but, being a cousin to the Meeks kids, it's hard to tell how much of his info came from them.
Nancy Davis (Sue's sister in law) described seeing a man leave the bar around 10:00pm wearing a floppy denim hat, jean jacket and blue jeans.
A green van was seen parked around cabin 28, about 9:00p.m., by two of the Seabolt girls.
It's so sad and these kids were obviously exposed to a lot and they were just kids. If you read the report on Tina's molesting it appears she allowed the man to do what he did for ice cream money - even asking her friends mother if they could take the man's change back to him where he tried to do the same thing again. Steve Lucas from the Keddie dorm said that 2-3 months before the murders Tina had told him some man was bothering her sister. If she did tell him that story then how would she know? Sheila was in Oregon having a baby. Why in the world was she telling Steve Lucas something like that? I don't think Tina had a problem talking to anyone.
Sheila said in her interview that James Jones saw a pick up truck park at the bar and walk up to the cabin - but on the PON list Jones said the truck parked near his house (which was across from the bar) and walked to the bar. So a lot of information was second hand and not very accurate.
There is just so much to take in and it's easy to see that the police had a lot more than Marty Smartt to focus on. The main question immediately was probably did Tina leave willingly or was she forced. The next question would have been how in the world the boys lived through this.
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Post by rosedawson on Feb 11, 2018 7:32:23 GMT -6
So, Phillip may have been just trying to dissuade people from believing that the Meeks were involved, with his story about Marty in the pick-up truck. I mean, Dale Meeks did drop off Phillip at the church when he was highly intoxicated, and Steve D. was probably lying about picking up Johnny and Dana. Wonder where Phillip got his information about the scissors, especially? It is compelling that he knew so much about the murders so soon after they took place. Maybe he got this info from a Meek too?
A LOT of people mention pick up trucks, weird hippies and mustached men in sun glasses in the area of the Keddie Bar and Cabin 28 that night, but there must have been plenty of hippies and pick up trucks, especially with an acid party going on nearby (where surely the acid must have been supplied by the men in the mirrored sunglasses). I remember reading in the timeline that someone said there was an acid party around Keddie that night. Honestly, I'm surprised that it was said by many of the residents that it was so quiet in their hood that night. And, by the way, dogs bark at any outside noises whether they are made by someone they know or not. At least mine do. Someone would have a tough time getting by my dogs and would have to kill them to get to me, and I'd be ready with one of my shotguns by the time they did. Unless, of course, my kid let them in.
It does not surprise me that both Shelia and Tina were promiscuous at all (many victims of childhood assault turn out that way). They are also easily taken advantage of because they think of themselves as victims for the rest of their lives. A good friend of mine was raped by her father (he went to jail for it, and she and her siblings went from foster home to foster home before being adopted). She ended up being a single mom, and did okay until she had to become a stripper to pay the bills and got addicted to pain pills in order to keep being a stripper. She is now a heroine-addicted prostitute, and her son is in prison.
I don't think the case will ever be solved because, as stated by so many, there was just too much going on that night, and too many suspects. However, Tina would NOT be the first young girl to be involved in killing her family so that she could get away from them or because she hated her mother. Maybe she was sitting on the kitchen floor, smoking a cig, waiting to let the murderers in the back door that night and did go willingly after the deed was done, only to become a victim once again.
You are so right, ANYTHING is possible. And Tom is right, this case will probably never be solved.
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Post by Admin Horan on Feb 11, 2018 7:56:22 GMT -6
jmo: Pictures? Why didn't you say so? You are now a Keddie boards moderator. You can create threads, and there will be a button that says "Add Attachment." You can only attach three pics per thread.
Do NOT edit or delete other people's posts; if you think that's necessary, just flag the post and I'll moderate it.
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Post by Michele on May 17, 2018 16:18:19 GMT -6
Mr. “Dmac” has shut down his site:
Re: THIS SITE WILL BE OFFLINE
Postby dmac » Tue May 15, 2018 7:40 pm Fuck, it feels good to say 'goodbye bitch' and again mean it, as I did with my sociopathic cunt ex-wife. I get the same vibe here, and I'm fucking tired of putting my work on the line for idiots to rehearse. I will not pursue reviving this site, due to lack of need and public interaction. It's a fucking waste of my life. I primarily solved this stupid fucker by 2011. Fuck this asshole wankfest, I wanna go back to reading Calvin and Hobbes compilations!
Fuck this.
I just saw a murder in real life and am fucking tired of solving the simplist shit a moron picked up on in 81
Instead of putting this site on another server, I'm going home to read a book I just checked out:
The Sellout Paul Beatty
Could be about you or me.
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Post by Michele on May 17, 2018 16:34:42 GMT -6
The home page still comes up but you can not login anymore. I guess he has decided to shut it all down...It’s strange, after all of these years.
Return to index page General Error SQL ERROR [ mysql4 ]
Table './faces_c28bb2/phpbb_sessions' is marked as crashed and should be repaired [145]
An sql error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact an administrator if this problem persists. Please notify the board administrator or webmaster: keddie28@gmail.com
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