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Post by snoho17 on Mar 13, 2021 17:24:29 GMT -6
I've thought the same, but having had the minutia of their lives dissected and dragged through the mud publicly for years...I don't blame anyone for going dark. As stated before, the chance of this case being solved on a forum is pretty unlikely anyway. Still, I'll keep watching and hoping.
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Post by kmik on Mar 13, 2021 20:56:19 GMT -6
Snoho, I agree that the chances of this being "solved" on a forum are - zero - plus if it was we'd never know and I think the chances of it being solved by the police are very very low.
But.... I think that we should all remember the reason Tom even gave the Keddie Murders a place on his Zodiac forum was to break down the Marty theory since there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he was even involved. I know it seems we break away from that when we discuss possible theories and other PON's but that's just part of it - we're not trying to solve it - just trying do break it all down to what might actually make sense.
Sure we'd all love to hear from anyone who has been thrown into this - gosh I'd like to hear ANTHING straight from the horses mouth instead of the donkey we've had to listen to.
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Post by snoho17 on Mar 13, 2021 23:42:14 GMT -6
I agree 100% and I not giving up all hope. I've said it before but the s***t talk and straight up threats made by donkeys would be enough for me to stear my family clear. in all this, I've come up almost as interested in the great detectives psychi as anything else. From the outside looking in its almost as if he were purposely railroading the investigation. I know thats not true but, hes got to be one of th biggest self saboteurs in sleuthing history.
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Post by hope on May 9, 2021 17:04:53 GMT -6
You nailed it. And I agree 100%. Everything known about this case did a complete 180 based on an untrained persons deductions. Every single person affiliated with LE or with a LE background, that has looked into this case (inside or outside PCSO) determined the murders were an unplanned event. Dmac decides it was premed, MMB with their "kill kit" of medical tape and here we are. All discussion is shut down, wherever anyone tries to discuss it here he comes shoving his theory & "solve" to the forefront. People become discouraged & don't want to discuss the case because they don't want to argue with a know it all. That is what it boils down to. And it's a shame. Things get twisted and the twisted truth become the facts of the case. There are too many questions for that "solve" to he what happened. Twisting the truth to fit someone's pet theory & prove they are right brings justice to nobody.
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Post by kmik on May 9, 2021 21:07:56 GMT -6
Gosh I don't think you have to worry about being kicked off over here - not seen Tom do that to anyone on this Keddie forum yet (unless it was dmac?? I don't know).
Here's the bottom line - we do not buy his theory that Marty Smartt was the killer - and if Mike and Greg do then they should have already solved this case. But since it's not solved we continue to research and discuss other possible suspects.
Marty was the prime suspect only in the mind of the Meeks and Marilyn. I'm sure, and more sure than ever now that we've seen this new info, that LE investigated Marty but also did their homework on the people accusing him and what their motives were.
If we could tell you for certain where the gun or tape came from and went then we might also be able to tell you where to find the toolbox.
The love letter was a love letter. Johnny, Sue, Tina nor Dana were "the most precious things in his life" nor "his flesh and blood". As Hope said we have no clue as to who his children lived with after he left their mother - so since it's more than obvious that he was talking about giving up his kids to be with Marilyn, even telling her that he "gave up 4 of the most precious things in his life for her", I'm gonna go with the number that he himself gave - 4.
Lets get real Golly, Tony Garadakis was not on the PON list or in any information we have but his name is all over 28 so why not xxxx? She's on the PON list so why the special treatment for her? If her story is true and she was in no way involved (and I'm sure Gam and Hag have vetted her real well) then place the puzzle piece where it belongs. Or does it not fit?
Sheila and the bulb. Do you think that LE ever asked Sheila about that - after all they called Oregon asking the kids about Frank Davis story. Sheila's prints on a bulb in the house she lived in could be easily explained away - remember D's buddy Mike said the killer(s) wore gloves - I'm guessing Sheila did not.
I'm so thankful for all of our members over here - and yes, Hear, Hear Hope!!
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Post by kmik on May 9, 2021 21:27:31 GMT -6
In 2015 we read an old post of his that said PCSO knew who took the boys home so we asked him if he knew and he said if he did it would be all over his forum - but as you see it is not.
Should we now consider him a liar or just consider that he doesn’t know either?
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Post by karis on May 9, 2021 21:29:35 GMT -6
So Sick of the Marty Theory!!!!! Donna Williams, Tami Stead, and Debi Ellison. Can you tell me who Debi Ellison was? Whose sister was she?
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Post by hope on May 9, 2021 21:46:26 GMT -6
Hi Dmac. The MMB theory was first mentioned by Josh in his documentary & his forums. The info he used came from the Meeks & Marilyn. Josh & his crew did the leg work and got access to the case files from PCSO. He made them available to the public. He put them out there for people discuss without pushing his theory on people. He didn't cut & paste reports or write up his own summary of what reports said. When you realized you got all you could from him you locked him out of his own forum and took it over. Because you we are doing the right thing and returning the files, we know. You did push the premed stuff, dont you usually like to take credit for that? I do love this forum ♡ Never said that. I don't know what they are doing behind the scenes so I can't speculate. There are things I hope they are checking into but I dont know. I do know what you say & that I have lots of questions about things. You have all the cases files now but haven't produced anything confirming MMB committed these murders. Hard to believe there is zero evidence that can tested for DNA. I think a lot of people are confused about the corruption aspect. Can you explain? Show proof? People hear it a lot but where is the proof? Because people's statements don't line up? Is that it? Some would say that is because people were telling contradictory statements. Not because LE was falsifying reports. In case you haven't noticed, no one is exactly forthcoming in this case. Seems to me LE was following up on all leads. And they were getting leads from every direction. If MMB were so worthy of his huge coverup, lasting decades, PCSO didn't do a very good job of it. Has a Pathologist determined this? Not that I've heard, correct me if I'm wrong....with proof. LE never said the tape came from outside the house. And sheila wasnt sure if it came from inside the house. The hammer was found at the scene. Whoever said 2 hammers were used? Did LE come out and say the weapons at the scene weren't the murder weapons? Pretty sure they said they were the murder weapons. So. Good question about the gun. How about the toolbox? Where'd that go? Why would Marty hide evidence & murder weapons all over Keddie, while leaving some weapons at the scene? But the gun and tool box still haven't been found, guess his plan worked. Ok? Thanks Gollum. But that is an actual love letter and he was talking about his kids. Marty wasn't a literary genius. He wasn't disguising a confession into a love letter. Ok so what if he did have 5 kids, do you know what his relationship with them were in 81? According to aunt joan most of his kids were in foster care. Regardless, the letter is speculation and not proof. Leave your list. In the meantime, here is a recent post I made. zodiackillerhoax1986.freeforums.net/thread/458/I'm sure you've seen it. Feel free to clear anything up I may be wrong on, preferably with documentation to back it up. Just because you say so isnt good enough for me. But her name was published previously. So...And what she told to LE in 81 was completely different than her story now. I already told I don't believe the reports, PON list, etc are falsified . I believe she said what they wrote down which again is different then her story now. And KB...haha..anything tied to her is questionable. She also told a completely different story in 81. Why? LE already knew about her affair with Dana, so what was she hiding??? I saw the report you posted. It wasnt proof of anything., once again. It looked like a list of things Wright wanted to check into more. The line about xx bartender reads like word through the grapevine was that x bartender was claiming to he the 'last to see the boys alive '. Then he writes how CS said her friend Joey rode them home. He was wondering who was lying. I thought pcso believed the killers wore gloves? Fingerprints do not burn off. Sheila could have touched that light bulb at any time leaving her print. The light bulb is just speculation. It could have been left previously, it could be unrelated , the killers could have unscrewed it while wearing gloves, and what does Sheila's print have to do with MMB? It doesnt tie anything together, except through speculation. That's exactly how I feel. I dont care if you are right or not. This case isnt about you. Its about finding out who killed Dana, Sue, Johnny & Tina and getting proper justice for them and their family.
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Post by kmik on May 10, 2021 6:08:12 GMT -6
Good question sis who was Debbie E?
I bet by the time LE sifted through this lie fest they felt they had truly entered the twilight zone.
Guess they just had to draw their own conclusions on who the most credible liars were (wow isn’t that an oxymoron?).
Karis and Hope let’s go back to Donna and Steve D. S. or perhaps Joey or maybe even Cruzita cause I’m not settling on the moldy memories of ole Vance. What rock was he hiding under for 30 years
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Post by snoho17 on May 11, 2021 15:22:49 GMT -6
Only "corrupt cops" said there was no premeditated? Please quote one of the legit cops stating this was premeditated?
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Post by snoho17 on May 11, 2021 15:31:21 GMT -6
Dmac is the only person to reference himself so ridiculously and often. You have always been terrible at disguising your voice, I should know.
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Post by getem on May 11, 2021 18:17:07 GMT -6
It was Peachiepoo that gave it away for me. This dude uses "poo" more than a third grader.
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Post by hope on May 11, 2021 18:23:12 GMT -6
Yeah, I wish he would have kept Peachiepoo. It suited him
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Post by snoho17 on May 11, 2021 19:28:51 GMT -6
He's thrown out a few "gosh gollys" in the past:)
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Post by kmik on May 11, 2021 20:50:13 GMT -6
I'm with you Snoho name me one legit cop who says this was premed
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