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Post by kmik on Jul 1, 2020 7:14:34 GMT -6
You may be right SnoHo I just don't believe it. The only people I know that he has had contact with was Richard Meeks via a web cam. I think alot people are misled and tend to hold on to every word he says because they think he is in touch with "people". In 2015 Karis and I were forum administrators on his forum and corresponded with him through email and private chat a lot because we were so interested in the case and thought that he had some kind of "inside knowledge" but after a year we realized he didn't know anything and had a bad case of tunnel vision.
As of 2015 Princess (Deb) is the only person we know of who contacted Gamberg, Marilyn, Tony Garadakis, the Meeks, Don Stoy, and the Plumas D.A. and she was able to talk to these people by telling them that she was Bo's niece. Remember I said in my last post that in 2015 he had asked her to call Doug T to see if he ever lived in 28 - to our knowledge she did not. He was not the one contacting people. I do believe he got the ID show together but Mike Gamberg became a member on his forum around 2015 so that's how he was able to begin to engage with Mike. As for Marilyn coming on his forum either Mike set it up or Dmac emailed her (too bad he missed another good opportunity to ask any relevant questions). After Dmac was on the ID show I'm sure that Victoria wanted to use his information in her article - it helped her to produce 3 articles on the murders which is all she was really after.
I guess the real question is why do so many believe this to be HIS case? What has he ever uncovered in this case? In 2015 Karis had to uncover that Phillip was a nephew and cousin to the Meeks - he didn't even know that and they had Phillip's story on the forum! He's definitely done more to hurt this case than to help - sorry it's just the truth. I think anyone should try to contact whomever they wish to contact - I just don't believe Dmac does that and he's paved the way for nobody wanting to talk to anyone now for fear of being bashed on FB and his forum - really who wants that?
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Post by kmik on Jul 7, 2020 15:37:53 GMT -6
I love it!!! It appears (if true) that Dmac has been Westbound and down over the holiday weekend - set out to do exactly what he has until yet to do - talk to someone himself. Yes apparently he had a 6 hour meeting (I'm assuming he had to drive out to make sure she couldn't come up with a good excuse to get off the phone) with Victoria Metcalf (and I hope she was able to hold her eyes open through all of the "mafia connections" talk). Dear Lord if the whole mafia angle is used in the "upcoming article" it may cover the entire Plumas newspaper. Do not let his intricate talk of who possible lived where and maybe with whom - sidetrack from the obvious which is there is nothing that we have seen in the case files from 1981 to connect Marty Smart to these murders. Evidence - not theory are what solve cases.
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Post by kmik on Jul 10, 2020 18:20:28 GMT -6
I want to give a shout out to Kay whom I believe (after her June 26th post about contacting Victoria Metcalf) is responsible for throwing Dmac into a panicked need to head to Quincy. Good job Kay!!
I would like to first say that I do not know ANYONE related to ANYONE in this case. Marty Smartt was not a relative or family friend of mine so I could care less if it is proven he was the murderer - but I do care about PROOF and not just throwing a bandaid over this case.
This is from Keddie28 FB Page: First thing is if Jack had forgotten most of the details of the night of 4-11-81 a week after the murders then I'd be very skeptical about him remembering them now. The only thing I see in the files, besides the PON list, on Jack Brown are that he was contacted May 4- 1981 after the Phillip Story.
From the PON list:
Yes someone from the PCSO did talk to him.
From Marty's interview: Marty never said there was an argument over the music or that he called Jack. Bo Boubede said Marty called the bar - and whose to say he didn't pick the phone up and pretend to call the bar to impress Bo? But Marty never said he called or argued with anyone. Do I think Jack Brown (who I'm sure was ready to go home) was really tuned into anything his customers were saying to him by 1:00am? No, a simple nod of the head would have been sufficient for anyone in a bar after 1:00am
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Post by kay on Jul 10, 2020 18:58:00 GMT -6
lol wait why would that panic him to go to Quincy? If it did then shit, I feel powerful lol.
I have more questions but want to see what else he posts before I ask all of them, but the one I have is why didn’t he visit Dana’s grave? Why isn’t he attempting to interview his family? Why is he contacting all these people to talk to about the case when VICTORIA is the one writing the article? Does he think he is writing it for her? Can she not do this herself?
I mean he has every right I guess go figure this all out for himself but it seems as though he’s talking to these people to push his narrative and his only into VM which I hope she does the right thing and die she’d own research on other suspects, not just Marty.
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Post by kmik on Jul 10, 2020 20:30:33 GMT -6
No mention of him headed to Quincy before your talk of contacting Victoria. Heaven forbid anyone contact Victoria before he gets his 20 hours of Marty theory into her head. His sudden urge to do what he has never done stems from his desire to have the Marty theory pushed again, and his desire to write a book or do a podcast.
I'm not calling Jack Brown a liar either, but after 40 years anyone's memory would be a bit fuzzy. All I can go by is what was told years ago to the police. I recently listened to a unsolved podcast and the journalist was interviewing the alibi of a suspect YEARS after the crime and he began to tell his story but when he finished she started to tell him what he had told in his interview years before -right after the murder- and he stopped her and said, "if that is what I said at the time then that would be the most accurate." That's just the truth when it comes to changing or adding to a statement years after the fact - gotta go with what was told before public influence/theory.
Victoria doesn't need his info because she has it right here on the internet. If he wants to talk to someone who might possibly have the most valuable information then he needs to talk to Justin, Ricky, or Greg. Victoria writing about other suspects? I wouldn't hold my breath because she would need the entire Plumas News to even begin to dive into the possibilities - and I don't think she's up to the task. Why doesn't SHE interview Justin, Ricky, or Greg and actually research the case enough to ask some real questions? Yep that ain't gonna happen - this will just be another Keddie Murders news article. By the way has she ever written about anymore cold cases in the area since that 3-pc Keddie story was suppose to be the first story in a new column featuring previous cases involving Plumas County and its people??
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Post by kmik on Jul 17, 2020 14:21:01 GMT -6
If Josh Hancock had any case files that he stole from the PCSO or if PCSO have any missing files rest assured that the files DO NOT contain any statements related to MARTY SMARTT GOING WITH SUE SHARP. Josh Hancock (along with several others - but certainly not DMAC) are the ones who constructed the Marty Theory. If there was anything in the files he saw or took that even insinuated that Marty and Sue were seeing each other he would have used this "smoking gun" in his theory - he did not. If he omitted it because he was mindful of Sheila's feelings he could have bounced around the subject by saying Marty was interested in Sue - but again he did not.
The Sharps and Smartts were not the movers and shakers of Quincy, Keddie, or Plumas County - and probably only even really known of after the murders (even then Justin Eason would have been better known than Marty). So for someone to come forward years after the murders, after this case hit the public forums in the early 2000's, after Josh Hancocks 2 documentaries became so popular, after all the news articles, after the People Magazine article and ID Show and last but not least after YEARS of Quincy folks posting on these forums who have never once insinuated knowing anything even remotely close to Marty and Sue being an item - I'd have to say not true. Sue dating the guys from the RR would not be hard for me to believe because Josephson was one of them. Sue seeing Marty would not be hard to believe except we have never seen that in any case files nor has anyone even insinuated that Marty was a ladies man.....until the xxxx bartender stepped forward.
Now we can discuss all the RR workers but that begs the question of, "Who were all the RR workers in Keddie at that time?" And that my friends just takes us farther and farther away from Marty Smartt.
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Post by kmik on Jul 25, 2020 14:42:53 GMT -6
Just some friendly reminders:
*In 2018, on this forum, we decided that the "tool box" was probably a "shoe box" that was made at school. (Karis and I had one at our house)
*We always felt that Tina was discoved by Pedrini exactly when the FRB said she was on Aprill 22, 1981. (the coroner listed it as 4-11-84 but he also listed her as missing on 4-11-81 yet we don't know if it was 11th/ 12th) No conspiracy
*It should not come as a suprise that Richard Meeks was in Keddie on Sunday since Sheila had already told Crim and Bradley he was.
* I don't guess any of us ever thought this was Dana's first trip to 28 since Frank Davis said he had seen Dana in Keddie and a report stated he had been seeing Alyssa for a week but could only see her at the Sharps.
* I don't think it would come as a surprise to think/know that Dana was seeing Sheila as he was known to see lots of girls and it's also known that he already had a child at the time of his murder.
* If LaRhonda and Susan were together on 4-12-81 then they were not in Keddie they were in Quincy as the PON listed Susan as being in Quincy on 4-11-81.
* It shouldn't come as a suprise that people were looking into 28 before the police got there (and probably still gawking after as indicated in Marty's interview) That was exactly what Crim was asking Marty about in his interview:
We have been saying this for years that his statement was a direct response to Crim's question of if Marty saw Justin in a position on Sunday morning, 4-12-81, to see inside of 28 as the police were going in and out. Marty was really saying he didn't think Justin saw anything on Sunday morning because of the tight security but that he had wondered if Justin could have seen something during the night because he was a light sleeper - and that he (Justin) could have seen something on Sunday morning without him (Marty) detecting him looking into 28.
None of us know what happened in 28 that night but we can follow these reports and decipher the lies told on old forums. I am sick and tired of hearing how nothing we discuss is even remotely accurate but yet it is. I don't EVER want to hear how Josh Hancock stole anything from the PCSO!!! Mike Gamberg copying files and taking them home is his business. But Mike stepped over an ethical line IF he allowed a forum administrator with obvious mental issues access to case files that he took from the PCSO. This is UNBELIEVABLE and a slap in the face to these victims families. Oh my God did Mike Gamberg really do that??
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Post by kmik on Jul 31, 2020 13:49:47 GMT -6
If Sheila and the Meeks were involved in these murders I'd find it hard to believe that Marty would be their killer of choice. If there was anything that Marty and Sue had in common it was the Meeks growing resentment of them. Sue was the one who put the baby up for adoption, Marty was the one who was becoming unbearable for Marilyn to live with hence her great escape with her confidant, Wade.
Sue and the boys were murdered without the killer coming prepared to kill (weapons were from the house). So who would have come to 28 to help finish something that had gotten very out of hand? And who would the kids cover for?
Who would benefit the most from pinning these murders on Marty? Marilyn and the Meeks (which they did). Regardless if they are involved in these murders in any way - they had personal reasons to pin them on Marty.
Who was Jim the ex and why isn't he mentioned anywhere? Not in our files and not on the PON list so who was Jim the Ex? Did he ever exist?
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Post by kmik on Aug 7, 2020 11:19:53 GMT -6
Would love to get a list of all those “reputable” people telling demac who was “corrupt” in Quincy and Keddie.
As far as I know, and I could be wrong, I’ve never seen a go fund me account set up for Don Stoy to raise money for a laptop to backup stolen police files and to beg for the death of so many people.
What does the current PCSO say about what Mike Gamberg has done? Can’t wait to get home to work on this!!!
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Post by snoho17 on Aug 10, 2020 1:17:36 GMT -6
Has anyone ever tried to hire outside help on this? I still feel like a newbie, and I don't discuss my interest in this case with others but I've had the thought. I'm guessing I'm not the first to think," what if I talked to my p.i., lawyer, investigator, doctor friend about this?" I also believe dmac has done so much damage....any new outsider would be completely dismissed
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Post by kmik on Aug 10, 2020 18:01:53 GMT -6
Snoho I can't tell you how many people I've discussed this case with and you're not crazy to wonder "who could possibly be of help" because we have had the same thoughts. This case is so tangled that it's hard to explain to someone who has never heard of it. You've been on here for awhile so I wouldn't consider you a newbie at all.
There's no doubt that Dmac, like all of us, has a desire to see this case solved. His biggest downfall is he "assumes" that so many were involved (Meeks, Marty, Marilyn, Dee, Tony, Blaine, the DOJ, Ronald Pedrini, and the entire PCSO since 1981 - present - cause Mike didn't solve it either) when the answer has to be much simpler than that because nobody went to 28 prepared to murder anyone (weapons came from inside the house). I don't know what happened in 28 but neither does he. I just don't think he'll ever let go of the Marty theory long enough to entertain what probably really happened in that house. So sad that anyone would release files to someone with tunnel vision - I'm guessing VIDOCQ was of no help.
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Post by kmik on Aug 17, 2020 20:30:37 GMT -6
Did that brilliant man really post this?? Here he is proclaiming how obsessed Doug was with this case yet on the other hand there's innocent ole Mike photocopying case files and putting them into the hands of the public. Pretty sure I've never seen it documented that Doug Thomas was giving out any info to the public. I don't think it would be uncommon for someone who was involved in the case from the beginning to be interested in it after they left the PCSO. I wasn't involved and don't even know anyone that was involved but I've been fascinated and posting about it for years. Wow he really is off his rocker!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 15:04:27 GMT -6
I discovered Josh's website around the time the Strangers movie was released, and unfortunately, believed the murders were viral/hoax at first because the only reference I could find on the homicides were on Josh's website, and Jesse/dmac's forum. Does California have open records? It is bizarre to me that anyone would have copies or possession of files and photos of an unsolved murder case, not to forget to mention an officer providing crucial information on the case with the general public. Checked out dmac's recent keddie28 Facebook posts/photos of Thomas' "notes," and read "latent on cigarette pack #54 identified as D.L. Albin..."
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Post by jmo on Aug 18, 2020 19:44:24 GMT -6
First off. If I don't "like" your post, it isn't because I don't "like" your post. It's just that I could spend roughly 4 hours a day liking posts on this site. So let's just assume I like alllll of your posts. You people are amazing. (You know who you are-- you-- #LongTimers/In itfortheLongHaul :-) ) So much good stuff. :-) So many good questions. Such good back and forth. Such allotta good work. (Seriously, if we ever meet, I owe you breakfast and a huge Bloody Mary.) I kinda wish (okay 100% wish) all the people on dmac's (who even gives a rat's a$$ about dmac's website? --zero shits--not that one) facebook page would come pay a visit here. His fb page is fired up! Look at me. Waiting for all that Sh*t to sift down. Should I be ashamed? Newbies get their arses ripped. I'm not a newby. I'm not someone who doesn't care. I"m not someone who hasn't been around the block. I'm guessing I'm about 6 degrees from Kevin Bacon and about two from Quincy. Okay, maybe three. I distance myself from Q. But, also look at me. Taking Dmac's stuff and deciding for myself. Let's sift a little down for ourselves, okay? But, step in that puddle? Imma pass. I'm really McLiken the McNarie posts so far. Anyone wonder if he'll ever Mcnarrow it down to who the actual killers are?? Ermagerd. He hates everybody. Anyone feel the need to post this site to dmac's facebook page but me? Imma pass. Let this baby play out.
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Post by jmo on Aug 18, 2020 19:45:37 GMT -6
Let's talk Albin.
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