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Post by raemen2 on Apr 29, 2018 14:26:07 GMT -6
Perhaps, she thought her brother could provide a substitute father figure to her children, especially the boys.
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Post by kmik on Apr 29, 2018 15:26:35 GMT -6
CS, so glad to see you posting again! That's two good possibilities as to why Sue moved to Plumas in the first place.
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Post by raemen2 on Apr 29, 2018 16:27:52 GMT -6
I read it. Just shaking my head. Marty/Marilyn/Sue love triangle.....please! Really wish they would print the 'letter' in its entirety - as it reads a bit differently. Where is the physical evidence that Marty committed any of these murders? If there was one shred of evidence of Marty Smartt being in the cabin - along with the circumstantial evidence against him (police interview, Justin, confession to therapist) he would have been arrested while he was alive. There is something there that points away from Marty or why not just announce case solved.
Does any one have an opinion on the whole Marty theory being used as a ruse? Maybe someone's ego or guilt might just get the better of them and they will just have to set the record straight.... even the most minor tidbit of information could set LE in the right direction.
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Post by cancersucks on Apr 29, 2018 17:02:07 GMT -6
kmik - thanks. I think I'm back on track now. Had a little bump in the road...
raemen2 - I've always thought Marty was a scapegoat for someone. Who? Or why? I have no idea. The complete love letter speaks volumes. Unfortunately, so many people have never even seen the whole thing. They only see that old worn out blurb...
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Post by kmik on Apr 29, 2018 20:15:56 GMT -6
Here is what bothers me with the article (much like the ID show):
The Love Letter: Print the ENTIRE Letter
Marty and Sue were dating: Please remind readers that the only person we know of who supposedly told this in 1981 is the same person who gave Johnny and Dana a ride home and withheld this from the police for 36 years
The phone call from Marty to Joan Andrews: Please remind readers that Joan had cosigned on a car loan and had already contacted Marilyn a month before the murders to tell Marilyn the bank was calling her because they had not paid on the loan
Marty was a "player": Apparently there were a lot of "players around Quincy and Keddie" but name one woman from Plumas County who ever came forward in 1981 claiming to have had a relationship with Marty other than Marilyn
Dmac claims that next weeks column will include his discovery of a FRB article that proves supposedly proves Marty and Bo knew each other before the VA Hospital. He claims he posted about it in 2010 or 11 (guess he never mentioned it again) - funny thing is we (KMIK) found the article in 2016 (and certainly were not looking for it) while looking for baseball signups. We posted it on Meanie's forum back then and we've also posted it on here. The only thing it seems to confirm (if it was Bo and friends making the calls) is that Bo was in Plumas County doing what we've already been told he was doing. Pretty sure they were not gonna tell the police Bo was living with Marty while they pulled some scams.
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Post by raemen2 on Apr 30, 2018 6:16:02 GMT -6
And, let's see.... Bo is a mafia hit man or enforcer, so he's well versed in calculated violence. Marty gets into an argument with his father, he dose not bludgeon or stab him....he goes and buys materials to make a bomb....hmm, both these guys understand the phrase, revenge is a meal best served cold. So we are to believe that these two hapless yet street smart killers premeditated a murder on a night when Sue had possible 6 children, including one of the killers' children more or less sleeping on top of each other.
And....Keddie is rife with drugs, people selling, people running, people manufacturing drugs.....yet, this murder, if committed by intruders, has no possible drug connection at all.
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Post by kmik on Apr 30, 2018 6:32:48 GMT -6
I didn't even list the "mafia" connection because it's almost comical. Bo's only possible "mafia" connections died in the "50's when his uncle dropped dead of a heart attack in court. If he was doing anything but scamming he wouldn't have been without transportation and sleeping on the couch in Cabin 26.
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Post by jmo on May 4, 2018 19:48:08 GMT -6
Holy. Plumas must be all a buzz. Crazy. Is that the last of the articles or are there going to be more? I get the feeling she figured she would just write an article of all the old stuff? idk I do think she (along with dmac) could write an article on the mafia. But, then again who cares about Bo? I wouldn't read it, but maybe others would? I think Bo was just a bum. lol As far as new information on Keddie, I didn't really see any. Did I miss anything? I scrolled through quite a bit. haha Would any of you read an article on the Bo/mafia? How about the LE supposed corrumption? I don't think either would be that interesting, but I could be wrong. Just not my thing.  |
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Post by kmik on May 4, 2018 20:42:40 GMT -6
Oh I'd love to read an article on any LE corruption that was DIRECTLY linked to the Keddie Murders. I think if they are gonna use the corruption word they should explain exactly what the corruption was and how it was connected to the murders. The problem is they can't do that.
I just read a post last week (think it was on the Plumas page) someone had posted about how corrupt the (current) PCSO is. Isn't that funny? I guess Mike, Greg, and 28 missed that one. I'm gonna look for it again so I can share it with yall.
And no JMO, we still, (3 articles later), know nothing more than the theory laid out by 28 (which began with Josh Hancock, the Meeks).
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Post by kmik on May 4, 2018 23:43:10 GMT -6
As usual I'd like to point out some problems and questions with the news article.
Recent news article:
From FRB:
Doug married in May 1980, Marty and Marilyn moved to Keddie in July 1980. Are we to believe that Doug allowed Marty to stay with him and his new bride? What month was this supposed to have happened?
Recent news article:
From Keddie Documentary:
Very clear from the documentary and the recent article that the counselor was trying to recall 7 to 8 weeks of sessions more than 28 years later without ANY notes to help him remember. Also we have No access to the notes taken by the DOJ.
Recent news article:
From documentary:
Sweet Lord is Marilyn the individual Mike is referring to? But wait, the article said "he". Oh gosh not the famous Jim the ex. I thought Glenna said he saw shoes burning outside not in the woodstove. Oh my so confusing.
Recent news article:
From documentary (Dan Dorris):
I don't know if there is any evidence in Mike's files or not but surely Dana had to be properly identified before his body was taken to Sacramento. If not Mr. Dorris never mentioned them having to drive all the way to Sacramento to identify him.
From recent news article:
From 4-18-81 Interview with Wade Meeks:
I don't think it really matters who took Bo to the bus stop but according to the recent news article it was Dee Lake and he took him to Reno? More confused than ever. Maybe just another misquote?
Recent news article:
Justin Smartt Eason??
Recent news article:
I would love to know how or if Mike was able to prove that these photos were taken on the day of the murders.
From Part 2 news article:
Okay, this very well may have happened but it's hard to believe. A lady lost a ring while at a "Keddie" wedding. Was the wedding in the pond? If not how did the man end up in the "dried up pond" looking for the ring? He had to have been familiar with the case and forum to have contacted Dmac instead of the PCSO. Does Mike really believe the hammer would still contain DNA if it really has been in a "pond" for 37 years?
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Post by jmo on May 5, 2018 13:07:30 GMT -6
Excellent job, kmik! How did all of this fly under the radar??? I see where dmac would ignore it---tough job fitting those square pegs into those round holes. But, Vctoria? Of course, I can understand if she only spent a few weeks on this case being all buddy buddy with DMike. These articles would be impossible to write unless she was only looking at the EASY stuff to collect a pay check. (Hey, we all got some bills to pay :-) ) Hanging a dead man is EASY. I wonder if she has looked at other sites? Let's say...THIS ONE?? Now, I am going to have to go back and read the articles again...maybe with less scrolling? lol! I feel like you just touched the tip of the iceberg with this....And, if that's the case, I totally get it, Sista. Sometimes it just gets to be too much. Too many lies. Too many people. Too much typing. Too much explaining. Too many questions. Too much, too much, too much. Enjoy May. WORD.
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Post by justcurious on May 5, 2018 14:36:08 GMT -6
Hello All, Newbe here so please forgive if this is the wrong place to post this. I am looking for LE list of items listed in the cabin. Not meankitties "just the facts" list as the item I am looking for isn,t on it. Justcurious
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Post by kmik on May 5, 2018 17:30:36 GMT -6
JC, not sure what all was in the cabin but we do have a list of evidence taken from the cabin. Is that what you are looking for? It should be on this forum if not let us know.
April 12th-April 18th, 1981
General:
-Telephone book seized by Sheriff Thomas
-Outside door knob of front door, blood covered
-Pair of Barnstormer Levis with butterfly decal in hallway, between the boy's bedroom & living room table/doorway
-Sweatshirt from back of toilet in bathroom.
From the Garbage Bin @ Keddie Gen Store:
-Bloody toilet tissue twisted at one end
-Cardboard box with blood on it
-Red handled Swiss army knife
-Two pieces of bloody tissue paper from bin
From the West Bedroom (Girls):
-Cut wire between beds behind box under table
-Blood on edge of door
-Blood on south wall near end of door
-Blood drop on floor near end of door
-Blood drops on cardboard on large bed
-Blood stain on sheet in small bed
-Ash tray on TV tray between beds with Benson & Hedges cigarette butt.
-Pair of glasses on TV tray between beds
-Cut wire end on floor between beds. Plug on end.
-Cut wire end on floor between beds in west BR. Lamp on end of wire.
-Tina's wallet on box on west side of big bed.
-White shirt with green stripes on large bed. Chatterbox size 12.
-Blood on outside door knob
From the East Bedroom (Boys):
-Possible blood on south wall near door
-Blood on door edge
From Kitchen/Back Porch:
-Blood on inside door knob on rear door in kitchen.
-Fingerprint lifted from saw on back porch floor
From Living Room:
-Blood spatter on north wall (x3)
-Bloody blue shirt on table
-Brown wallet from behind couch (Johnny's)
-Blood & knife marks on east end of north wall (panel taken)
-Blood & knife marks on west end of north wall (panel taken)
-Blood on wall behind couch
-Blood on south wall by the window.
-Blood on green curtain from south window.
-Bloody fingerprints from east wall by front door (panel taken)
-Couch cushion on floor. (Cover taken)
-Two cut pieces of wire on floor by Dana's feet
-Pellet on floor between John & Dana's heads
-Stool by Sue's feet, blood spattered.
-Short, cut hair on floor in front of couch.
-Ash tray on arm of couch
-Coffee cup & fingernail polish remover on TV tray at end of couch
-Cassette tape, lighter & cigarettes on TV tray
-DUCO brand glue in tube on TV tray
-Note book page with blood on TV tray
-Paper on floor in a pile with Current Energy & Ecology magazines
-Bloody jacket, blue with white stripes on floor
-Song book on floor
-Song note book & music sheets on floor
-Rear sight adjuster ramp from pellet gun on floor near Sue
-Bracket that holds rear adjuster sight ramp on floor near Sue
-Bloody hammer on table
-Bloody butcher knife on table
-Recorder tape on table
-Tape on floor next to Sue
-Camel cigarettes on couch
-Brown purse at end of couch, on floor
-Sanyo cassette on floor by purse
-Three pairs of tennis shoes on floor under Sue's body
-Pair of socks on floor under Sue's body
-Red gym shorts on floor under Sue's body.
-Blue Tshirt on floor
-Paperback John Travolta on floor by shirt.
-Grossman's sale flyer on floor |
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Post by Admin Horan on May 6, 2018 9:32:45 GMT -6
Welcome, curious! One thing you might notice that's interesting about the available crime scene inventories and other reports, is, there is no mention anywhere of anyone ever searching the basement, including Johnny's bedroom.
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Post by raemen2 on May 6, 2018 12:20:55 GMT -6
Jeez, it's impossible to believe that LE did not go down to Johnny's bedroom....wouldn't that be the first place they might go look for Tina? So....has the evidence been lost or are they holding it closely because something of value was down there?
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