Post by Admin Horan on Jun 27, 2014 10:41:25 GMT -6
This book is a scholarly examination of the cultural and literary roots of the Zodiac hoax, and the impact in turn that Graysmith's book had on that culture and literature. The Zodiac myth was deliberately constructed to fill an already existing need in the tabloid and pop culture media.
On this thread, we'll discuss this book. Simple? We'll see!
Yes, I enjoyed it. I think the preamble re: culture, films, newspaper attitudes and insanity verdicts, etc. helps a lot. Want to know what I don't agree with?
"Because of the nature of the  cipher itself, its multianalagous substitutions (more than one symbol per letter ) allow for the equally "valid" reading, "I like kiSSing people…" Uh, nope, it's homophonic. Varying the substitutions for the "L" arbitrarily would be to allow (because of "kissing") the interesting phrase "animas of ass". It's silly, that bit. Still, ya didn't listen to me about it last time either!
I like the bit about the Zodiac alphabet = identity, though.
And my favourite [english spelling] bit? The fact that you highlight "The Zodiac's" seeming need to dismiss the fingerprint evidence from the car door at BRS, with which Mike (it seems) hurriedly concurs. Amazingly (doh!) I'd never really thought through the implications, there. I am now.
Post by Admin Horan on Jun 27, 2014 16:43:41 GMT -6
Um, nope, several different symbols are used to represent "real" letters of the alphabet, 'specially the hi-frequency ones. And several people in LE I've talked to have brought up the legal point that that means the cryptograms are legally worthless as "confessions." And as we shall see, said Author knew a LOT about the legality of writing—and publishing—those letters and cryptograms. An awful lot. Anyhoo, the point is not, Did the Author of the ciphers really mean to say kiSSing? The point is, the "solution" is based on an a priori assumption—once the reader ASSUMES it says, "killing," then it does. But only if you assume it. You know, it's a metaphor for the whole Zodiac hisself—it's all assumptions based on sensational conclusion-jumping, not on any of the actual facts. It wasn't even an original idea.
Well, you get the gold medal for keeping up with the old blog better than anyone else. I understand that I am just now beginning to make my findings clear to the public, and that this is a lot of info to absorb. That's why I broke it down into 3 books. Believe me, by the time you're done with all three books, there is zero doubt that the letters, and Graysmith's book, were blatant frauds.
I am scheduled to appear(?) again on The Generation Why Podcast in late July to discuss in more detail the total lack of evidence for the existence of the Zodiac, and then Morf and I are scheduled to discuss the "authenticity" of the letters in detail in September. That will help a lot, I think.
And thanks for buying the book! Can you do me a favor and review it? I'll send you an autographed copy of Voigt's credit report.
Yes, several different symbols are used to represent "real" letter of the alphabet Mr H., and yes, 'specially the high frequency ones. That's done to supress frequencies to conceal the underlying letters - and that's what a homophonic cipher is all about. The characters used to represent the underlying real letters, though, do not vary in the way they're used. If it's an "L" in "Killing" then it's an "L" elsewhere too, yes? So if it's an "S" in kissing? See? Well, I know you're probably aware of how this works, you just like saying "a priori". Fair enough - it's your book. Is the cipher any use as evidence? No, of course not. Agreed. Oh! But solving ciphers is done by making assumptions. So no, it's not such a good metaphor, although I see what you're saying.
Thanks for the gold medal, I shall put it with my others! It was a matter of coincidence that I came and checked just as you'd released it. (You may need to fix your author name, at least on the UK Amazon site, I think. You're down as Thomas Henry Henry, which doesn't seem right.) I'll review it for you, sure! I suspect I know what's in that credit report already though....
Y'know, believers will continue to believe, you should be in no doubt. I'm not. In the face of overwhelming and obvious evidence to the contrary people who I am quite sure have a brain keep trying to average out the descriptions of the "one" guy, decide on what the "average" car used (!) might look like, and hold to the idea that the shirt was stored in a space inviolate and the slight(!) variations in MO make perfect sense. Target fixation - or something like it. There's a psyche paper in it somewhere I think. Just "solve" the crime, capture the bad guy, restore order, yadda yadda, you'll feel better. Maybe more of the psychology of the whole deal's explored in book 2 or 3? We'll see.
The fingerprints on the door handle of Darlene's Corvair.... Were they a nuisance or a great big plus? Was the writer denying their validity as a positive or a negative? Given that the prints didn't seem to contribute much to the investigation - for some reason - in which way do we choose to view that denial, hmmm? How interesting.
Post by tomwescott on Jul 29, 2014 19:29:51 GMT -6
Hi Thomas, I've just joined the board here and look forward to exploring it and commenting as time permits. Just prior to joining up here I left a review on Amazon. The e-book is exceptional. It suffers a bit from typos which distract from the read, but that's minor quibble. I was a little confused at it being called 'book 1' when it's your second e-book? Is that because the 'Great Hoax' e-book was more or less a preamble to the series that 'Myth' is setting off? Regardless, I'm a huge fan of your work. I'm listening to your second podcast on Generation Why as I type this. I would say your podcasts are the best of all he GW shows, mine included.
Post by Admin Horan on Jul 30, 2014 9:05:08 GMT -6
Thanks for joining! If there are typos, I can fix those, since its self published. It will also probably need to be updated at some point.
The "first" book was kind of a placeholder. But a few hundred people have bought it already, so when the final, revised edition of that book (much, much longer) comes out, they will get a chance to buy the revised edition at a discount. That's technically the third book.
The "second" book is the one thoroughly debunking Graysmith's book, to be titled "The Great Zodiac Killer Hoax of 1986." It's VERY long.
This website will eventually be the "footnotes" to those books. In the mean time, there will be more videos, and a few people have already contacted me about possibly doing a documentary or documentary series. We'll see how that goes.
I am fascinated by your own work as well, and will catch up on it as soon as possible.
Thanks again for joining and commenting!
"When a man lies, he murders some part of the world." —Paul Gerhardt
Post by tomwescott on Sept 15, 2014 23:22:07 GMT -6
Hello Tom, I've seen your very flattering review at Amazon and greatly appreciate you taking the time to do that. As always, I'm extremely intrigued by your research and look forward to whatever you should be putting out next. I just hope it's soon! In the meantime, I'm dealing with this latest Ripper nonsense about a shawl.
Post by regisphillies on Apr 28, 2023 22:35:11 GMT -6
I recently purchased a print copy of your book and am thoroughly fascinated by the background you provide to these cases. Could you point me in the direction of information regarding the Vallejo PD/ SCSO corruption fallout? I have tried searching newspaper articles from the area and I'm not finding anything.