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Post by snoho17 on Oct 10, 2020 17:54:50 GMT -6
Wow! The fact of the matter is, even with alot of disagreement and disgust, K,K, and tom have always given dmac credit when he's provided actual evidence. I wish you could see his full evolution along with the other aliases. He's been nothing but demeaning and abusive to anyone who has their own independent thought or question. Yet years later some of those thoughts/questions are brought to light as his own. I really have to wonder if jealousy is what caused him to drive into hiding anyone with first hand knowledge or connections.....
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 10, 2020 17:28:11 GMT -6
Omg YES! It ALWAYS bothered me that philip had been allowed to spend the night. But this story fits well. I've asked why sue would allow this till my face turned blue, but it's not like he came home with the kids, just a one off thing. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by Jon on Oct 10, 2020 16:37:54 GMT -6
I'm gonna buy it and read it. I'm not a huge fan of novels but do read them from time to time. My favorite is different seasons by Stephen King. Actually it's a collection of short stories. I do like BOC and Velvet Underground. im reading the final jihad by Martin Keating. His brother was Frank Keating, the governor of Oklahoma during the Oklahoma City bombings. What's interesting is this "novel" was sent to publishers in 1991. It's about a guy named Tom McVey who blows up a government building as an act of terrorism. Being that he penned the name Tom McVey, and set up a very similar scenario in which Tim McVeigh did 5 or so years later is rather interesting. Also they're incidents of planes being blown up that resemble real life incidents. It's written really well. It's a good novel, but even better knowing the background. Cool, I'll check that out--I'm very interested in these anticipatory works of fiction. And then there are books like Cities of the Red Night, which--while it doesn't appear to refer to a real-life murder case--is fascinating because William S. Burroughs did interact with the Process Church and the Magickal Childe crowd to some extent (however briefly), and remained friends with Patti Smith. The globetrotting cult whose escapades are described in Cities was obviously inspired by the Process, and it's possible that Burroughs based the novel's infamous severed head incident on a case that simply was never made public. |
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Post by james1983 on Oct 10, 2020 15:23:03 GMT -6
I'm gonna buy it and read it. I'm not a huge fan of novels but do read them from time to time. My favorite is different seasons by Stephen King. Actually it's a collection of short stories. I do like BOC and Velvet Underground. im reading the final jihad by Martin Keating. His brother was Frank Keating, the governor of Oklahoma during the Oklahoma City bombings. What's interesting is this "novel" was sent to publishers in 1991. It's about a guy named Tom McVey who blows up a government building as an act of terrorism. Being that he penned the name Tom McVey, and set up a very similar scenario in which Tim McVeigh did 5 or so years later is rather interesting. Also they're incidents of planes being blown up that resemble real life incidents. It's written really well. It's a good novel, but even better knowing the background.
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Post by hope on Oct 10, 2020 14:33:38 GMT -6
I could only scan that post as well jmo. His description of Sheila waking up early with Christmas morning delight "hoping her entire family was dead" and daydreaming about her new found freedom for 2 hours....jeeze. That is a lot of speculation. I guess the photo kmik posted of Sheila's bedding crumbled up in that ball on the front porch of 28 wasn't enough to substantiate her "alibi"? Regarding the female DNA, I posted a comment from a YouTube video here : zodiackillerhoax1986.freeforums.net/thread/314/sheila-list-families-friends (I was unable to attach the comment directly to this thread) In it he discusses a 2nd DNA match which he cannot name. I would think if it was Marilyn he wouldn't hold back on saying so. I too have wondered if it did belong to Tina (or one of the other kids). The "minor female DNA" he is currently discussing on fb sounds like it could be different than the 2nd positive match mentioned in the above link? With the way he says "minor ", I'm not sure if he means minor as in underage or as in a small amount of DNA. If he means it is just a small sample then I would think they could still obtain a partial profile which could still possibly rule Marilyn in or out as the contributor. |
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Post by Jon on Oct 10, 2020 14:18:25 GMT -6
What's also interesting the book the Talisman by Stephen King and Peter Straub references the song Tattoo Vampire by Blue Oyster cult. It's on the same album that has Patti Smith on backing vocals to songs like Vera Gemini, which is my favorite song by Blue Oyster Cult. Actually the whole album is great. Yeah, a lot of BOC's stuff is really good--and Patti Smith's, too. Horses is a fantastic album, but I can't help hearing it in a different way now. I just hope that Lou Reed, my musical main man, was never involved in any of this stuff  I neglected to mention that the subject of sheep and cattle mutilation also emerges in Ghost Story, and is attributed to the character modeled on Mary Ann de Grimston. Interesting, because it seems to anticipate certain bizarre features of the Howard Green/Carol Marron murder investigation: in February 1980, police noted that the drifter who was a person of interest in the case "was last seen in Oklahoma near the scene of where several cows were found dead and drained of blood." |
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Post by raemen2 on Oct 10, 2020 13:26:06 GMT -6
The only minor female that we know was in 28 that evening is Tina.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 10, 2020 13:05:33 GMT -6
What's also interesting the book the Talisman by Stephen King and Peter Straub references the song Tattoo Vampire by Blue Oyster cult. It's on the same album that has Patti Smith on backing vocals to songs like Vera Gemini, which is my favorite song by Blue Oyster Cult. Actually the whole album is great.
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Post by Jon on Oct 10, 2020 12:29:37 GMT -6
I had an acquaintance who worked at the Magickal Childe, and he said that Levenda definitely hung out there. He remembers Levenda as a very divisive influence, however. (Unfortunately he didn't elaborate on this point.) Thought some might find the following interesting on the Magickal Childe/Herman Slater/Levenda, etc.
Chelsea area NYC - also the area of the Ron Sisman/Elizabeth Platzman murders on Halloween 1981. Hmmmm......
Very interesting indeed--there was some vile stuff going on back then, and people in high places had connections to it. The individual I've mentioned considered Maury Terry a "hack" for fingering the OTO, but did have this to say when I asked him about the cult that carried out the Son of Sam attacks: "He [Terry]'s right about the group idea, and I think he got the participants right". |
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Post by james1983 on Oct 10, 2020 12:18:42 GMT -6
Dahmer lived in the Oxford Arms apartments 6 miles from Vernon Seitz, and Dahmers grandmother where he also lived was 13 miles from Seitz
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Post by Omega on Oct 10, 2020 12:00:01 GMT -6
Tarrytown to Rye is 14 miles. Is Rye close to the area where the Process held meetings in the abandoned church next to the Connecticut/NY line? That church is pictured on a Blue Oyster Cult album. Pound Ridge NY (BOC/church) - about another 25 miles or so north of Rye |
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Post by james1983 on Oct 10, 2020 11:58:45 GMT -6
"Notably, they have not searched the residence of Vernon Seitz, Sr. It is located 147mi North East of Jr’s homes and exactly 37 miles from the farm of Edward Lanphear. Mr. Lanphear is currently incarcerated facing 400 years in the Big house for forcible rape and kidnapping of 2 young men simultaneously. There was also bondage devices in Lanphear’s basement and garage, as well as other similar items to those found in the Seitz home. His plea deal is pending a psych evaluation, and most experts do not think Lanphear acted alone, or that this was his first offense."
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Post by jmo on Oct 10, 2020 11:51:50 GMT -6
And, going back a bit, this was a dmac post, too.
6 Sept-- Speaking of DNA, multiple reports show DNA found on Sue's bindings are consistent with Sue as well as a minor female contributor. I believe Loon bound the victims, at least Sue.
I've been staring for days at the pink cloth ligature found at C18 and believe it is consistent with Tina being bound at the wrists. So much for my idea she was removed from the scene to avoid the bloodbath which followed.
The only thing we know is she was removed to confuse the scene, the very focus of the investigation. And LE played along as participants in the murders.
None of this is true.
A "minor female contributor"? That makes it Loon. Got it.
What about Tina? Going far left here, but those gags on Sue...
Tina was a young 12. This was really over kill with gags. If someone told Tina to gag her mother, would she do it until she was told to stop? That's a lot of layers.
Did Tina help? Poor Tina. Such a mystery.
Anyways, I don't think this DNA can be labeled MFC.
I can't even tell who dmac is blaming any more there are so many.
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Post by Omega on Oct 10, 2020 11:51:22 GMT -6
Today's (October 10, 2020 S02 E39) episode is going to be a rundown of "tangential" or "random" cases that may not be tangential or random at all. Prof, any clue what's going on with today's podcast?
Live chat is going crazy with inquiries/concerns
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Post by jmo on Oct 10, 2020 11:43:29 GMT -6
DMac's latest post.
8 Oct-- Looking at FR CS Reports (FR= First Responder; CS= Crime Scene), let's set up a series of lies:
Sheila said she woke about 6am and nobody else was awake. She waited until others were awake to return her bedding home, which was at 8am. We know from reports Zonita was in her PJs, so Sheila waited for the dominant present in that household to be awake before strolling over to open the door at 28 to discover more carnage than she'd hoped for. AMAZING nobody picked up on this, she waited two full hours so she could put on her little play. And, again, where in CS photos or complete contemporary interviews from witnesses explaining away the absence of Sheila's bedroll?
Hoping to make this brief! From memory, Sheila said very little about why she went home and what she brought with her. She was going to church. Getting clothes. Curling iron.
Pretty direct answers. What is this bedroll dmac speaks of? lol Did he think she owned a sleepingbag?
Without any of us repeating what we've heard from dmac, what are the answers to these 3 questions:
1. What time did Sheila wake up/go home? (dmac puts it at her waking up at 6 am and going home at 8. My feeling is she woke up about 7:50 and was home about 8:15. Does that sound right?)
On the audio dmac has up, I think Sheila says, "I called my uncle".
2. What did she bring home? Could it have been whatever she slept in rolled up in a ball? That's how I traveled at that age. haha But, making this into a bedroll? Nah.
3. What was she getting? I heard clothes for church and a curling iron.
Dmac's writing gives me a headache so I'm guilty of scanning his stuff. lol
If anyone is looking for a bedroll in those pictures, they're not going to find one.
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