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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 15:36:35 GMT -6
With the Meeks and Marilyn being the source for the Marty info and then this "wow" friend list from Sheila in May it's no wonder Marty thought "they" were out to get him. 4-23-81, two days after Marilyn told LE that Marty could be involved, Tony V said he knew Marty and Marilyn (oh Lord) and that Marty had been acting strange since the murders, paranoid "they" were out to get him - and "they" were. Does anyone really believe that Tony V was on fishing trip with Marty and Marilyn?
  
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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 13:30:04 GMT -6
Yep but with Joe you can never tell if he's really on the outs with dmac or not - this could all be something they created to stir up interest - who knows
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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 13:25:48 GMT -6
In the first pic doesn't this look like a footprint at the right bottom next to the index card? Looks like #16 is pointing out that print - if so it says Blood on rug near Sue - which had a reaction for type O blood. If that's her foot print then I'd say it's her or Johnny's blood on her foot. If it's a footprint and it's not hers then someone else stepped in her or Johnny's blood while barefoot - maybe Justin? Can anyone gauge the size of the print?
  
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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 13:12:03 GMT -6
Yes if the stain on the cabinet door is from dripping blood (and that's what it looks like) there was a lot of it and I'm surprised it didn't make the list. As for Johnny or Dana getting into a fight outside the cabin - could be. My question is where did they get tissue paper (if not from the bathroom of 28) and why go all the way back to the Keddie Store to put it in the garbage - along with what appears to be more items from the murder scene?
The cushion has Dana's blood on it but if you look at the crime scene photos with evidence markers there is #14 which appears to be cut from the top of the cushion - but we don't have it on the list as A, B, O, or inconclusive. Wow so many questions! Thanks Hope for pointing us to this new podcast it has really given me a desire to match all this up - and i'm not even 20 minutes into it.
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Post by hope on Oct 12, 2020 10:23:07 GMT -6
Yes, it's like he is so deadset on being right that with every little thing he comes across his mind automatically goes to attributing it to evidence of guilt & being part of the conspiracy. No matter how more convoluted it makes the theoryor how you have to twist it to make it fit. It is one thing to be invested in a theory but it is something else entirely to attack anyone you come across discussing the case. Insulting people and claiming he solved the case back in 2011. Never come across anyone like it in any other true crime discussion groups or forums. He certainly has never held back on anyone. It seemed like his issues with Joe came after Victoria's news articles, when Joe spoke up in the comment section. Although, it was only a matter of time before he and wade made it to his list of 100 co-conspirators. I think he has met his match with Joe. Regarding the recent "proof" he has of his involvement...I would be nervous and looking for a beer too if that had just happened to an entire family I knew!
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Post by hope on Oct 12, 2020 9:27:42 GMT -6
Wow Kmik! Good work! Thank you for putting all this together. I cannot remember if I've seen that report of Stoy's before. Very interesting.
So according to these results only Dana's blood was found on the hammer? And only type B was found on the couch cushion cover! And we now know he was near the north wall during the attack because that blood splatter belongs to him. Going to have to back and look at some of the photos to compare with what is on this report.
Regarding the bloody tissue found in the garbage bin at the store, there were actually 3 tissues found? The results for the twisted tissue #97 (used for a bloody nose most likely?) had type O. Tissue #93 has reactor to type B. And tissue #94 was inconclusive for A, B, or O. As you guys pointed out before, it definitely sounds as if Johnny & Dana got into a fight with someone while outside of the home at some point.
It would be nice to know whose blood was on that cabinet door. It appears as if it dripped down while someone was leaning over the sink. I wonder how much evidence has been sent off for DNA testing. Really, great work Kmik! Keep it up!
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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 7:21:01 GMT -6
This is where I'll need help and a lot of it.
While Sue was laying on couch the younger boys described her as wearing a robe
Sue's robe was said (by Dmac) to be hanging on the door in (her) girls bedroom
Sue's glasses were on her nightstand
Cigarette butt (Benson & Hedges, Sue's brand) in ashtray on tv stand between beds in girls bedroom
Sue was found on the floor in front of the couch, in a muu muu type lounging dress
Sue was laying on top of what appears to be Dana's blood
Sue had blood on the bottom of her feet
Sue had several defensive wounds
Sue was hit in face with what appears to be the butt of the air rifle
Sue was gagged with undergarment, bandana, tape
A couch cushion was pulled from the couch and Dana's brand of cigarette's were laying where cushion had been
Cords are cut from the girls bedroom - pieces of cord still laying about girls room
Unidentified (to us) blood drop in girls room between foot of small bed and wall (was someone bleeding while standing at foot of bed and reaching over to unplug something from the wall)
Blood smears on door knobs of front and back door and bedroom doors
Smear of blood on small bed where blanket was taken to cover Sue (as if someone brushed the sheet with bloody hands while scooping up the blanket)
To be continued...
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Post by james1983 on Oct 12, 2020 6:57:16 GMT -6
Yep. All these cults believe the exact same thing. Basically Jesus and Lucifer are different sides of the same coin, or basically brothers. The Process taught that Jesus was to judge, and Lucifer was to carry out the judgement. Theosophy, Mormonsism, Gnosticism, Christian Science, Unification church, Charlie Manson etc etc. they're all playing from the same script. It's scary how theosophy is still the religion of the United Nations because it seek to unite all religions.
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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 6:42:47 GMT -6
Don't you just love the way dmac writes about LE and all that MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING he does - like gosh if he'd been there this case would have been solved - such an idiot and I sooo wish somebody would hand him a new triple murder case with one missing and let him go to REAL work. I guess since he's now been given these files and he's accused LE of being corrupt for so long he feels he's got to convince us - yet the only thing I'm convinced of is he spends way too much time trying to convince us!
Also he claims to have sat back "silently" until he got everything he needed from Blaine Gruebert. First of all he's never sat back quietly 'until the attack' on anyone - and he may feel superior to everyone on these forums but when he became acquainted with Joe Mcplumber he FINALLY met his match - no Joe's soars above D cause he doesn't have to prove anything his intelligence and quick wit are apparent in his post. It's also obvious he's publicly attacking these people in the hopes that they will respond on his facebook or call him up and spill the beans before he spills their 40 year old interviews.
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Post by Omega on Oct 12, 2020 6:37:06 GMT -6
We need your participation to at least provide the audio component, otherwise, it is just one big Marcel Marceau chat!
Also, attempts to hum the closing theme at end of the podcast, failed miserably!
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 12, 2020 6:32:05 GMT -6
They also believe the same basic "Adamic man becoming god" mumbo jumbo the Mormons believe. The UC is sort of a Korean knockoff of Mormonism, including its own "new" Bible texts--many of which are revealed ONLY to devoted members. Moon not only claimed to be a "second coming of Christ," he actually preached that he was a BETTER Christ than Jesus, because Jesus failed to marry, etc. (That's his explanation for why Jesus apparently failed to successfully institute a second Adamic age. Etc, etc, etc.)
The ancient proto-gnostic, esoteric, "church" (as exemplified by Holy Order of MANS) we've been talking about with monasteries like the one where Blavatksy and Stalin studied may have (had) one in Korea, at least before the Communist takeover. I'm prrrrrrreeeeeetty sure Moon was influenced by it. Some of the UC's teachings are still secret, so it's hard to tell for sure.
With converts on both sides of the 38th, Moon would naturally be an asset to the CIA (as well as to the KGB) so naturally they'd want to support him. They'd be stupid if they didn't. For years and years, the US government (well, some IN government) have claimed that the government of North Korea is a major producer of heroin. But there is simply no evidence at all for that. All the evidence for any significant heroin trafficking THROUGH the Korean Peninsula points to the same CIA affiliated goons we've been talking about who financed their "anticommunist" activities through narcotics. And that leads us straight to Moon's astounding bank account balances.
BTW, Moon was held for a couple of years in a North Korean "reeducation" camp before UN forces liberated the camp. When he go out...well, you can guess the rest.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 12, 2020 6:12:49 GMT -6
See? You guys don't even need me.
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Post by kmik on Oct 11, 2020 21:15:53 GMT -6
Hope I started listening to the podcast but stopped early on when one of the guys said he could reconstruct the crime scene for instance if he knew whose blood was under the cushion where Dana's head was resting so I immediately stopped and printed the Stoy Report - going down and listing what blood type was found where: everybody better grab a rope cause I'm diving in the rabbit hole head first! Haha - but seriously I need help
Sue and Johnny: type O Blood Dana: type B Blood
Type O Blood found on: #8 Rug near Johnny #31 Red shorts on floor in front of couch
Type B Blood found on: #13 Rug near Dana #25 Hammer on table in living room #53 Cover off couch cushion on living room floor #57 Blood splatter on north wall in living room
Reactor for Type O Blood found: #4 Knife on living room floor next to Johnny #6, 7, 9, 10, 11 Rug near Johnny #15,16 Rug near Sue #70 Edge of door in girls room #71 South wall in girls bedroom near end of door #77 (not sure) Either Sue's glasses or on cut wire end on floor between beds in girls room #97 Bloody twisted tissue found in garbage bin at Keddie Store
Reactor for Type B Blood found: #12 Rug near Dana #17 Rug near Sue (Sue was actually on top of this blood) #93 Tissue paper from garbage bin at Keddie Store
Inconclusive or No Type A, B, or O #3 Inside front door knob #26 Butcher knife on table in living room next to hammer #28 Cassette tape on table in living room #94 Tissue paper form garbage bin at Keddie Store
Missing from those identified are: #100 Cabinet door from bathroom #82 Edge of door in boys room #74 Stain on small bed sheet in girls room #73 Drops on cardboard on large bed in girls room #72 Drop on floor in girls room between foot of small bed and wall #67 Inside door knob on back door in Kitchen
We also do not know whose blood was on the bottom of Sue's feet (important) plus we have the secondary female DNA hit that was found not only on some of the brown electrical cords used to bind Sue, but a blood sample taken from the scene. Could this possibly be from the cords being touched by the girls or Sue prior to the murders since they were from their bedroom? Or would any prior contact with the cords have been wiped away when someone used them to tie up Sue? I'm so confused - secondary - minor (although I do understand that means a small amount) - blood sample taken from scene - was this Tina's??
(If I have any of these blood types on the wrong evidence please let me know and I'll correct it)
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Post by james1983 on Oct 11, 2020 17:16:29 GMT -6
That's not all they found there. They also found a "letter from the White House" in Seitz' home.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 11, 2020 17:12:43 GMT -6
Yeah 62 is a bit young to die of "natural causes".
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