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Post by elantric on Oct 13, 2020 16:15:42 GMT -6
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Post by hope on Oct 13, 2020 13:44:41 GMT -6
Awesome! With Sue being petite she may have had a small shoe size. I would guess she did but a womans shoe size can be deceiving sometimes, compared to their height & stature.
Looking at the picture of her feet (that picture is so sad to look at) you can see how petite she really was. Her feet look thin to me and she appears to have a high arch based on the location of the blood on her foot. Unfortunately, the footprint on the carpet appears to be of the left foot and the photo from the morgue only shows the bottom of the right foot. So we are unable to see if the left foot is completely saturated with blood or missing from the arch as it is with the bottom of the right foot.
You have inspired & given me an idea for a little "test" to try as well, I'm just not sure if I will be able to make it work. I am thinking if we use the evidence tag & average tibia length of woman Sue's height we can get an estimate of the length of Sue's foot. It will just be a rough estimate, if it works at all, but at least if the guesstimate of Sue's foot is way off from the guesstimate of the carpet print, then it's possible that print did not belong to Sue. Does that make sense? Feel free to correct me on any of this. Do you happen to know Sue's height? About 5'1"?
I watched that Memphis 3 series as well. I did not hear the podcast but watched it on tv. That podcaster did such an amazing job!!! I remember thinking about Keddie as I watched it and thinking the Keddie case needs someone like him. You would think there would have to be some type of evidence of good enough quality which can lead to results. DNA testing has come so far, cold cases older than this are solved all the time and I doubt that evidence was all perfectly collected and stored. But who knows!!!
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Post by kmik on Oct 13, 2020 12:57:28 GMT -6
His new "wowee" moment is finding an interview with Greg where he admits he was awakened, saw John, Sue, and Dana get murdered "by three men and that Justin was there but he never saw Tina ….. that's all? That's all he said??? Nothing else?? yeah right
I wonder what day this interview was taken (maybe the week following the murders before going to Oregon) and why he didn't mention Ricky. See there's no way these boys slept through this as originally told (but we knew better). Now if Marty was so close to Sue, Johnny, and Tina wouldn't Greg have recognized him if for nothing else than for being Justin's step dad?
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Post by kmik on Oct 13, 2020 12:02:55 GMT -6
I preformed a little "test" this morning using paint and a piece of clean fabric. I smeared the paint around and stepped in it then stepped on the fabric. My foot (size 8) was almost 10 inches. From the best I can measure with the card in the pic (my laptop is touch screen so I had to be careful touching the screen) the print appears to be a little over 10 inches. A ladies size 8 is men's size 6. Not sure if Sue's foot would have been that large with her being so petite and not sure about Justin's size either. Plus factor in that this was soft carpet and I tested mine on a piece of fabric on a wooden floor.
I did google (for what it's worth) the average shoe size for a 12 year old child and it said size 6 shoe with a foot length of approximately 9 3/4 inches.
A while back I listened to the guy who made the series, "The Forgotten West Memphis Three" being interviewed on a True Crime Garage podcast and here's what he said about that 27 (?) year old case : " what we've determined through the course of filming the series and our active investigation last year was this case is only gonna be solved one way and that's through science, we're not gonna solve this case by interviewing more people, by finding more witnesses, too much time has passed there's been too much motivation with money and media, and memories have shifted, there's too much drug use and too much alcoholism and too many people with agendas and stories are changing but we have breaks in science and new technology that can actually solve this case.
No doubt that's what it's gonna take for this 40 year old case. I'd be interested in knowing if there's some piece of evidence that Plumas hasn't tested due to lack of funds cause I'm pretty sure we could all find a way to raise whatever's needed to have some testing done. I don't know maybe the sample are too degraded? |
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Post by hope on Oct 12, 2020 21:08:56 GMT -6
Lol thanks. To me, I think it is definitely a footprint. What do you think the rectangle paper is? A 3×5 index card? If we can figure that out we could probably use it to compare & estimate the size of the foot?
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Post by james1983 on Oct 12, 2020 20:31:26 GMT -6
Check out the credentials of Paul Jennings Hill who murdered an abortion doctor and his bodyguard. His bodyguard happened to be a Air Force lieutenant colonel James Barret.
"Hill graduated from Reformed Theological Seminary, where he studied under Greg Bahnsen, a founder of the right-wing Christian Reconstructionist movement.[4] He attended St. Paul Presbyterian Church, which espoused theonomy, a movement related to Reconstructionism.[5] Following his ordination in 1984, Hill became a minister affiliated with both the Presbyterian Church in America and the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. He was excommunicated in 1993 following a number of nationally televised appearances in which he claimed to be the new national spokesperson for "defensive action" against abortion providers and claimed a connection to the Army of God.[6][7]"
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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 20:02:58 GMT -6
Wow Hope how professional looking! Yes do you think that print is too large to be a foot?
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Post by hope on Oct 12, 2020 18:42:54 GMT -6
And yep! Took me a minute to see it but it does look like it has been removed. Is this what you are seeing too?  |
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Post by hope on Oct 12, 2020 18:37:49 GMT -6
Yes! Most definitely a bare footprint. I noticed it yesterday for the 1st time. Good job lining it up with #16 in the other crime scene photo!
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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 18:34:18 GMT -6
Is this is just my imagination?? disregard the blue dot by the sock this was difficult! haha! That area has been removed in the second pic.
 
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Post by hope on Oct 12, 2020 18:32:08 GMT -6
Oh yes, the other items found in the garbage bin...got carried away before, lol, sorry about that! Thank you for reminding me. I need to go back and refresh myself with the police reports again. I also wondered where the actual tissues came from as I was typing my previous comment. And in the past thought it belonged to the one of the suspects. It does not make sense for the killer to take a twisted bloody tissue used by Johnny or Dana, I think you guys are right, one of the killers had a bloody nose and disposed of it as they went by the store. We know Chucke & Henry admitted to being there as well as Mr. Seabolt. They definitely need to send those tissues off for DNA testing, as well as the cabinet door
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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 17:12:58 GMT -6
Yep and just because it's B or O doesn't mean it's from the victims - IF the evidence from the bin is related to the murders. I fully agree there has to be somebody's blood besides the victims on something - or at least DNA. I wanna know what's on the bathroom cabinet door.
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Post by getem on Oct 12, 2020 16:20:41 GMT -6
I always thought that the tissues in the garbage were from the killers cleaning up after leaving and hoped the nose one was from Sue getting a lick in. There was a lot of violence for the killer/s to not have blood on them or even a scratch.
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Post by getem on Oct 12, 2020 16:12:40 GMT -6
Yes, it's like he is so deadset on being right that with every little thing he comes across his mind automatically goes to attributing it to evidence of guilt & being part of the conspiracy. No matter how more convoluted it makes the theoryor how you have to twist it to make it fit. It is one thing to be invested in a theory but it is something else entirely to attack anyone you come across discussing the case. Insulting people and claiming he solved the case back in 2011. If you look up "Dunning-Kruger effect" it has a picture of him next to it. |
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Post by kmik on Oct 12, 2020 15:44:22 GMT -6
This was such a good thought Tom had of Cheeseman possibly being Marilyn's therapist. Cheeseman and the Reno counselor were neighbors and apparently talked with each other and no doubt had discussed these murders especially if Marilyn was his patient - just a couple weeks after these murders someone from the Vet Center was at the FRC talking about PTSD. There is just little doubt in my mind that when Marty made this undocumented "confession" that the Reno counselor did that "dance" he talked of doing with patients in his outtake - and approached the subject with Marty.
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