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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 15, 2020 11:51:35 GMT -6
Eyler went to his grave swearing he had an accomplice, named Robert David Little. In fact, just like Berkowitz, Eyler claimed that yes, I did kill some of the victims, but not all of them.
Dahmer and Eyler weren't just "gay serial killers." They were into the same leather bodybuilder S&M "gay" stuff as Kenneth Anger and his friends, Pic Dawson and his friends, Berkowitz and his friends...
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 15, 2020 11:46:58 GMT -6
Patience, my beloved flying monkeys. Patience.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 15, 2020 10:38:07 GMT -6
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Post by kmik on Oct 15, 2020 9:16:00 GMT -6
Sometimes it takes a while to see the big picture but I now question how close Glenna and Sue really were. It's all about extracting the tiny bit of truth from the lies that have been told and the Meeks told so much during and after the documentaries that don't seem to be consistent with what was told in 1981.
Dmac recently posted that Richard said they didn't become friends with the Sharps until they moved to Keddie yet there's many statements from people who lived in Clairmont at the same time the Sharps did who tell of seeing Richard, Walter, and Dana at Sue's house. I think that may just actually be the truth. In a snippet from Glenna's 4-21-81 interview she said she was a close friend of Sue (not her best friend). Most of what we've read from the files we have always refer to the Meeks and Sharp children being so close - I don't think I've read of any outsider saying Sue and Glenna were best friends and quite frankly I think that best friends "illusion" blossomed after the documentaries - remember how she stammered around, while speaking at the headstone memorial, of her and Sue being best..... and never finishing and we couldn't understand. Glenna said in her old post, while proclaiming their great friendship, that she met Sue through the kids so she probably knew Sue to be the Sharp kids mom, but didn't become friends until Sheila got pregnant or through FRC. Now the reason Marilyn didn't point this out on the forums was because she had only known Glenna for about 2 months so she wouldn't have had a clue how long they had been friends.
Even if she and Sue were only friends for 5 months they could have still hung out at the Meeks house or even took a couple of camping trips. I know our info says that Johnny stayed with the Meeks when Sue went to Oregon - but no mention of Ricky and Greg staying also. In 81 she told the police that Sue had dated a guy the year before but didn't even know his name - and she probably didn't know it because she wasn't hanging with Sue at the time. She also said in her old post she didn't remember Sue working yet we now know that she worked at the Elks club. It's clear Sue was not outgoing yet Glenna was participating in community plays and was even in a single women's club the year Sue died.
When these people were saying Sue wasn't home with her kids it wasn't because she was hanging out on the front porch with Glenna. The kids were probably hanging out all the time at each others house but not their mothers - hence the opportunity for Sheila to be with Dana or Richard at her own house when no adult was home.
I believe Glenna said she spoke at the 1981 memorial for Sue - but Glenna and Richard liked attention anyway and she did know her and according to what I've seen was actually probably the only friend Sue did have - but that doesn't mean they were bosom buddies, I believe Sue went by her house on Saturday morning to get Johnny but he wasn't there - and Sheila went over to Alice Thompson's possibly because her mom had said don't be back around LaRhonda because of the Joe Baze thing.
And this could all be the reason Glenna wasn't rushing over to 28 that morning instead of 26. Wow after all these years of her proclaiming to be Sue's bestie yet we now find out she didn't even make the list - but I FULLY believe that was because Sheila was relying on the Meeks to help her make that list. Don't you know when LE got that list they were thinking, "Glenna Meeks spoke at the memorial but didn't even make the list". But then again why did she speak? Was it because of Johnny or Sue or even Tina (who she claimed didn't run with the "big pack" - yet she did according to others but nobody was watching any of them enough to know). So sad |
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Post by kmik on Oct 15, 2020 5:22:15 GMT -6
Well done! Thanks much for putting the time into that it is very interesting!!
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Post by hope on Oct 15, 2020 0:31:16 GMT -6
Thank you so much! Me too, I've been reading & admiring you guys for a long time! It's about time I joined in
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Post by hope on Oct 15, 2020 0:27:59 GMT -6
Not sure if any of this means anything, but here we go... I gave up on trying to use the evidence tag as a measuring guide. I found they come in many different sizes and could not find a photo of that specific one. I used information from a research paper called "Stature Estimation By Using Per-cutaneous Tibial Length". From the paper: "Stature estimation is an important part of the identification in human remains. The estimation of stature from femur and tibia are more accurate as these have a direct correlation to the height of an individual ". I basically tried to reverse engineer the formula they use since we already have an idea of Sue's height. With that we are able to get an estimated measurement of her tibia length and use that to estimate her foot size. Please feel free to correct any mistakes I made or add to this in any way. Info from research study: The study included 250 women from the same region and noted there can be variations in tibia length based on factors such as age, race, climate, nutrition, etc. The height of these women ranged 147 - 176.5cm (57.874" - 69.488"), mean of 155.3cm (61.14"). The tibia length ranged 32-44cm (12.6" - 17.32"), mean of 34.06cm (13.41"). According to the research paper the tibia totals 22% of overall body length. Info relating to Sue: I used height of 5'1" for the calculation but can also check using 5'2" and will keep looking to see if her height is listed somewhere (I swear I saw it somewhere!). • Height: 61" (154.94cm) • 61" x 0.22 = 13.42" (34.09cm) • Estimated tibia length (22% of height) = 13.42" (34.09cm) Using the photo of Sue I placed a line the length of her tibia representing the estimated length of 13.42". I placed a line the length of Sue's foot and duplicated it to place next to the tibia line. Her foot took up roughly 2/3 of the tibia length. 13.42÷3 = 4.47". The remaining 2/3 = 8.95. So, the estimated length of her foot comes out to 8.95". I decided to try this out on myself, using actual measurements and the estimated measurement based on my height. The results of each were very close to one another. I am 5'6" & wear size 7 shoes. I measured myself barefoot & got 9.5". • Estimated results using above calculation based on my height: tibia 14.3". 2/3 of tibia length= 9.54" • Actual results using a measuring tape: tibia = 14.17". 2/3 of tibia length = 9.45". I know this is just an estimate and made more difficult since we are going off of a photograph. But based on the above little experiment I would guess Sue wore a size 6 shoe in womens. If kmik wears a size 8 which measured at 10" & I wear a size 7 which measured at 9.5", then there appears to be a 0.5" difference between whole shoe sizes. Unfortunately, there isnt as big of a size difference between shoe sizes as I had expected. And with only 1" difference, that could be because of the moisture (as Snoho pointed out) or seepage from the time it was made to the time it was photographed. More than anything I wish we had a photo of the bottom of her left foot, since it appears to be a left footprint in the photograph. Then we could see if there is blood on the arch of that foot. I have very high arches and know when I leave footprints (after swimming or whatever) the arch is always missing from my prints. Again, not sure if any of that makes a difference. Just figured since I did it I might as well post how it turned out.   |
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Post by hope on Oct 14, 2020 23:48:18 GMT -6
No, he hasn't been commenting...he's apparently made it to 28's list of people involved.
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 14, 2020 16:50:46 GMT -6
Holy cow, Joe mcP is still around? Was he commenting on the site or fb page?
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 14, 2020 16:35:32 GMT -6
I can't speak to this instance, but I learned some tracking aloooong time ago moisture definitely will enlarge and distort a print outside, stepping straight down even without slippage....or a struggle
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Post by snoho17 on Oct 14, 2020 15:51:37 GMT -6
Same hear, and glad you decided to participate! I've been beating the philip dead horse for awhile and finally this! Might not be much, but his sleep over was so off fitting to me that having an explanation that makes sense is very satisfying!
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Post by kmik on Oct 14, 2020 14:15:22 GMT -6
From an Interview conducted on 4-28-81 by Crim with Jan Albin: From an Interview conducted on 4-14-81 by Crim and Bradley with Marty Smart:
Jan's statement 2 weeks after her neighbor Marty's certainly didn't prove that the people in 26 knew something wasn't right in 28 - Marty had already said (as others had said) that it was dark on that street that night. It proves that Marty as well as Les noticed the street light was not on.
My question is if the Seabolt girls saw a green van around 9:30pm and were able to identify it as green then the lights were probably still on? By the time Les, Marty and other go home it's off.
JMO, I have figured out who Dmac has turned into - Glenna Meeks. He wants everyone to shut up and listen to him tell this story the way he wants to tell it - oh my gosh how many time did Glenna do that to Marilyn and others - but especially Marilyn? As for the name calling dear God how can someone who does that consider themselves even remotely human? But he appears to be the kind that's more concerned about the life of an animal than the life of a human anyway. |
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Post by Jon on Oct 14, 2020 12:22:50 GMT -6
Some of the names on that chart in the Mother Jones article are very interesting: particularly Daytop, which at some point merged with another drug treatment facility where a certain prominent Son of Sam suspect worked for many years (and where he initially had been a patient himself). Very interesting indeed. And thanks for providing that clue, by the way; it was enough for me to find the real name of the person you're talking about, which is quite surprisingly close to the name in the book. I think it would be instructive to follow the lineage of these drug "rehab" and youth detention facilities, since it seems like a great number of them are fronts for behavior modification/mind control experiments. My friends John Brisson (whose YouTube channel is We've Read the Documents) and Lee Veltman have been doing some great work on that in the past year. You're welcome--and thanks for the link! I'm going to check out their channel now. |
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Post by james1983 on Oct 14, 2020 12:20:27 GMT -6
I just started reading a book about serial killer Larry Eyler who killed in the Indiana and Illinois area. He hunted for victims the same way Dahmer did,; frequenting gay bars and picking up hitchhikers. If he actually did all the crimes attributed to him, there's no way he acted alone. By the scene of one body found was an old farm garage, they found nails driven into the shed with human flesh attached to them, the victim was nailed to the walls upside down, and dressed like a deer. Needless to say this is the task of at least two people, but probably more. The victims were tortured and raped. Eyler frequented Chicago in the late 70s while in college and afterwards. We know Dahmer and Gacy frequented Chicago as well around the same time. What's also interesting is when Dahmers home was searched they found the book I'm reading now called freed to kill by Gera-Lind Kolarik. I'm doubting these are just coincidences.
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Post by jmo on Oct 14, 2020 9:56:40 GMT -6
I don't think I'll mention the movie The Stangers either haha!
Would any of these groups of people trust any of the other groups of people to hold onto a secret as big as murder?
Marty, Marilyn, Bo
Sheila, Tina, Justin, Richard, all the other guys in this age group
Steve, Steve, Chuck, Blaine, Wade, Monty, all the other guys in this age group
All the girls that lived and partied in Quincy and Keddie
Might as well throw Jim Sharp in here, too.
How can a family get killed and nobody talks??? One of these groups did it unless it was a "random" crime by outsiders--people nobody knew.
Dmac is really calling Sheila names. Holy. Has he given up on MMB?
Oh, and did anyone else notice Sheila's name on the reports was spelled wrong? Incredibly sloppy but not conspiracy level, for sure.
Did I read something about black hair in the "new" information? Any one hear anything about black hair?
Excellent posts lately! Keep up the good work! Stay safe!
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