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Post by kmik on Oct 16, 2020 15:55:41 GMT -6
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Post by kmik on Oct 16, 2020 15:54:22 GMT -6
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Post by kmik on Oct 16, 2020 15:49:57 GMT -6
Here is Tina's molestation report. You can tell by reading this they let him touch them for ice cream money - so sad - and it certainly does not make it right but that's clear. It says LE made numerous attempts to get in touch with the victims and parents the next week and finally got up with Sue who told them Tina was back over at the little girls house - LE went to the house and guess what - nobody was home.
 
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Post by elantric on Oct 16, 2020 13:11:25 GMT -6
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Post by hope on Oct 16, 2020 11:58:11 GMT -6
This one really stuck out to me :
"There are now three instances (two from ex-bf Randy) that they'd heard, all secondhand, that Tina was soliciting sex. <If so, why didn't the molestation case go down another way?>"
I feel terrible even saying this....but the first thing I thought of after reading that post was how Josh had said Mrs. Seabolt told them off camera that she had overheard a "sexual encounter " the afternoon of the murders. Correct me if I'm wrong and perhaps I am way off. But based on what we have been told about that days events, Tina was the only one who was home alone that afternoon. Was it her? And if so who could she possibly have been with? Perhaps she made plans to meet up with this person that night and is why she was still dressed. Perhaps that is why she told the Seabolts her mom wanted her to come home and not spend the night. I had always thought she might have chosen to go home herself because maybe she had a crush on Dana or Justin. But maybe it was because of someone else, someone she made plans to meet up with that night. Perhaps Jonny & Dana caught and tried to stop her from leaving or ran into this person and things got out of hand from there? All speculation of course.
It has definitely seemed as if there were things going on that people were trying to keep hidden, some "skeletons in the closet" or family secrets. That would explain Sheila's "memory issues". Also, it was always strange how there were so little reports available to us discussing Tina. It would be helpful to hear what some of her friends had to say, maybe they knew what was going on with her. I'm sure the police have such reports, maybe they also chose to keep things like that quiet (and Josh if he came across such reports). Sadly, that type of behavior sometimes happens in victims of abuse. Poor Tina.
I would also love to read the interviews from the Seabolts & find out more of what she had to say about that "encounter". Mrs. Seabolt certainly seemed to be quite a nosy neighbor. Just my impression of her. Would love to hear what she had to say as well as what her kids had to say. And since I think of her as the nosy neighbor I still find it odd she saw or heard absolutely nothing that night. And Mr. Seabolt was supposedly up throughout the night and up early to go wood cutting, stopping at the general store. Makes you go hmmm.
I also did not understand how the use of the word "suspects" proves anything. It was probably pretty obvious to them it was more than one person. Also, police typically keep information from the public so it isn't strange that they didn't tell the public they suspected it was a set up because of the light or that a daisy rifle was involved. In fact, I would think if they were trying cover something up they would have left things like that out of the reports.
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Post by Omega on Oct 16, 2020 10:45:47 GMT -6
And is Crag Glassman really dead? Or did he fake his own death as a publicity stunt to promote a book? Has anyone ever seen an obituary (easy to fake) or a newspaper article (impossible to fake) about this car accident on the Taconic Parkway on Halloween 1991? Sorry about the low quality, but stumbled upon this recently from The Herald Statesman newspaper (Yonkers - of course!) November 2nd, 1991 (click following):
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 16, 2020 6:55:13 GMT -6
Nice work. Very nice indeed.
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Post by kmik on Oct 16, 2020 6:14:13 GMT -6
More info overload
*Doug Thomas used the word "suspects" so that "proves" he "knew" it was multiple killers. What?? No maybe he thought that because he had 3 dead, 3 living and 1 missing PLUS Greg saying it was 3 men and Justin saying it was 1 no 2
*Multiple people saying that type of white tape was not in 28 but in 26. I am the grocery store/drug store/any store shopper in my house and honestly don't even know if I have white tape in my house - I'd have to look. And God help us if any of that was from the mouth of children.
*Randy S said he heard Tina was solicitating sex. Not hard to believe for anyone who has read the molestation report.
* Doug A told Kathy A that Marty was seeing Sue. WOW I hope Kathy isn't the xxx bartender or that probably renders her story as useless. I'd be interested to know exactly when Doug (Sue's friend) told her this (before or after the murders AND before or after Meeks and Marilyn began to talk)
*Early on Blaine didn't know if Phil was with them that night or not, he fell asleep at the neighbors house and yelled 'punk' at Johnny when he saw them on Lawrence Street that night. Blaine really doesn't interest me but maybe this is wow info and I just don't see it. I thought Blaine told us that he stayed the night (next door to the Meeks at Mary Bell or Jan Stites because he was seeing one of them)not surprised he called Johnny a punk just surprised he told the police but maybe he thought somebody else might tell them so he told.
* Many reports of acid party at Walke's. Now this is interesting since we've had several say that before. So that acid party in Keddie and Chuck's party was probably "the acid party in Keddie" all along. Could explain why he and Henry were in Keddie Resort early that morning possibly dropping somebody off like "acid Steve" or trying to find "acid Steve" or looking for somebody who "stole some acid". Never wonder why timeline A was titled: LIARS, DOPERS, and PSYCHO's
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Post by james1983 on Oct 15, 2020 18:34:57 GMT -6
Eylers stepfather Irving was an administrator at Indiana state hospital psych ward in Richmond Indiana. Richmond was the stomping ground of Jim Jomes around 15 years before Eylers first murder in 1979.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 15, 2020 17:19:27 GMT -6
I just read on p142 that the 3 bodies they found in Lake Village next to the barn with the satanic symbols and nails with human flesh driven in the walls was sitting on a crossroads, I found that very interesting. Also there was a phone call (supposedly from Eyler) from a payphone to professor Little, the payphone was visible from where the bodies were found by the barn.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 15, 2020 16:55:53 GMT -6
I'm not there yet, only on p150. I'll post the name when I run across it. I'm almost convinced Eyler, Gacy, and Dahmer floated around in the same circles. The murders and their circumstances are too similar. The author even speculates on how a 180 pound Eyler got men bigger than him handcuffed; it mentions the Dean Corl/John Gacy technique of using a magic trick as a pretext for them letting him handcuff them. Also it mentions Eyler gave his victims Pacidyl (a hypnotic) in their beer. The fact that satanism is mentioned makes me wonder if the Process was active in Indiana, we know they were in Chicago and Milwaukee, the two places Eyler and Dahmer both killed in. I'd love to read the case files on Eyler and Dahmer to compare places and names, I'd be willing to bet there's a lot more similarities than what's on the surface.
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 15, 2020 15:37:20 GMT -6
I just started reading a book about serial killer Larry Eyler who killed in the Indiana and Illinois area. He hunted for victims the same way Dahmer did,; frequenting gay bars and picking up hitchhikers. If he actually did all the crimes attributed to him, there's no way he acted alone. By the scene of one body found was an old farm garage, they found nails driven into the shed with human flesh attached to them, the victim was nailed to the walls upside down, and dressed like a deer. Needless to say this is the task of at least two people, but probably more. The victims were tortured and raped. Eyler frequented Chicago in the late 70s while in college and afterwards. We know Dahmer and Gacy frequented Chicago as well around the same time. What's also interesting is when Dahmers home was searched they found the book I'm reading now called freed to kill by Gera-Lind Kolarik. I'm doubting these are just coincidences. In your reading of Freed to Kill, have you come across any references to John Norman's pedophile ring in Chicago (that Gacy was connected to)? I was once told by someone that the book mentioned it, but they never provided a specific reference. All I noticed when I skimmed the book a while back was a mention on p.266 of the "Chicken Delight Escort Service", which sounded similar and may have overlapped with Norman's ring but probably wasn't the exact same operation:
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Post by james1983 on Oct 15, 2020 15:31:45 GMT -6
I believe Eyler had more than one accomplice. He probably had a small group of 4 or 5.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 15, 2020 15:29:50 GMT -6
What's funny is there was a murder/dismemberment in Wisconsin they first blamed on Eyler then tried to blame on Dahmer later on. The farm shed that Eyler took victims to had satanic symbols on the walls. Little was a Professor at UI or IU can't remember which. Eyler worked for the state helping low income families and the elderly. His lover John Dobrovolskises had a state government job as well. They also found muscle magazines in Eylers home, he was into body building as well. Another friend given as James Williams worked for the department of public instruction. Eyler spent six months as a Pinkerton guard at the Indianapolis general hospital, which I found weird since they do extensive background checks. Eyler had another lover who was in the military, and he wasn't just a foot soldier either, I'll have to go back and get his name, I'm not sure what names are real or fiction as the book doesn't provide an asterisk for made up names as most "true crime" books do. Anyways Eyler wasn't a "loner" at all like they make him out to be. He lived with Little and Dobrovolskises back and forth. In fact Dobrovolskises was married with children and Eyler lived there with him and his family, the wife knew the town men were lovers and agreed to the threeway relationship. his first supposed run in with the law was when he ties a man up and ran a butcher knife through him. What's weird is the judge actually lowered Eylers bail so he could get out with only 1,000$, then Eylers lawyer met the man who was stabbed as he was leaving the hospital and offered 25,000$ if he dropped charges, and he did. My question is why didn't the county or state pick up the obvious attempted murder case? thus was supposedly a time when Eyler was living hand to mouth. What I also found weird was detectives kept a jar of Eylers blood in a strofoam cooler. theres no doubt there were dirty cops in this case, especially in Indiana where they basically tried to sabotage the case by bringing him in early without much proof, then holding him for 12 hours without reading him his rights etc, then released him without charging him for a crime. They actually put him in a cell instead of a interview room. They knew what they were doing was wrong. The whole case is crazy.
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Post by Omega on Oct 15, 2020 12:20:34 GMT -6
Research into Frank Denaro naturally turned up the shooting of his stepson. I was reading all that stuff at the same time I was rereading TUE. While I sat around waiting to get the actual book from an associate, I re-read TUE as fast as I could, mostly looking for anything related to Arliss Perry. IIRC, it was the "hospital guy" stuff in Maury's book that first rang a bell. "Huh. Wouldn't it be wild if..." And then rechecking those lists of murders, and there were those names again. I knew the name "Denaro" sounded familiar... While we are on the subject of names in this thread, I think the name "Frank Denaro" needs to be clarified.
The claim is that Frank is Carl Denaro's stepfather, but I have stumbled upon research recently that is indicating that "Denaro" is Carl's biological father's last name (father's name is not Frank)
Unless there is some unusual occurrence or coincidence that Carl's mother eventually remarried another man named "Denaro"?
Unlike Neysa and Jerry Moskowitz or Mike Lauria, who were more out front in public and known, most parents of Son of Sam victims remained in the background and out of the public eye. I don't recall hearing much (if anything) on Carl's parents (or step parent)
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