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This is a video shot in 1994. It presents a widely vilified & disparaged viewpoint within the LGBT community. This group was officially banned from marching in the official 1994 Pride Parade in NYC. Tom Reeves died in either 2013 or 2012.

31 "Steven Palazzo" is actually "Karate Dave". 52 is, indeed, Bill Vance. But no one knows for sure what his real name really is. 58 I dooooooon't think is Zero. I could be wrong.

When "Phil Phillips" (Bill Vance) described Charlie in prison as "just someone to make fun of and use" I think he's telling the truth. He sure used Charlie when he got out. Not one story about Charlie manipulating one single solitary inmate into killing another (that happens in prison the same way it happens outside, except it's some prison "bitch" starting trouble between cons. Charlie was definitely bisexual. But not one single solitary story about him causing any trouble in the jug. Not one. Except the accusation that he once raped another boy at knife point. But even it it's true, he may have been forced into doing it by other prisoners.) It's funny that Vance's parole wasn't revoked, either. Funny, because he participates here in Bugliosi's propaganda film about Charlie.

That's a "Gurkha" knife Squeaky is playing with in that scene right before the scene with and about the Tibetan Book of the Dead. All of their "Death" talk is Americanized readings from that book. Nominally, the Gurkha are "Tibetan Buddhists" but that's like saying "Satanic Christian." Naropa University and Shambalha in Boulder Co is, of course, "Tibetan Buddhist."  

And clearly, there is nothing wrong with Clem's intelligence. 

Here's another thing--in a movie that's supposed to explain their motive for "murdering" people, I don't hear any talk about murdering people. And those one or two lines about "we'll kill anyone who gets in our way..." Who the fuck got in their way? Nobody. The whole point of moving out to Death Valley is there was literally no one else out there to get in their way. The sheriff of Inyo County only got in their way because--supposedly--the Family stole some cars and set fire to a government bulldozer. But let's all remember one thing--the only other people anywhere near Barker Ranch were the prospectors who WANTED THE FAMILY GONE. "Charlie was just somebody the rest of us made fun of and used..." 

That opening line by Sandy Good about "there is no wrong. If someone needs to be killed..." was not Manson's philosophy. It was the philosophy of the "Green Berets." In Apocalypse Now, Colonel Kurtz's comments along those lines are NOT his own crazy mumblings. They were official SOG policy. Coincidentally, it's also the core belief of Scientology. Supposedly, Sandy was "Charlie's most devoted follower..." Maybe. Or, maybe, she was just on her own trip to a great extent. A lot of celebrities have stalkers. No one blamed Jodie Foster when Hinckley shot Reagan. 

The Waffen SS counterinsurgency manual was translated into English and adopted first by the US Special Forces (in German, "Einsatzkommando") in the Far East (beginning in the Philippines) and is now used by the entire US military in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other places where we are fighting "Muslim insurgents."

Like the SS, The Special Forces actively sought out and recruited what we would call sociopaths for their officer corps. Colonel Kurtz's "problem" is that he is NOT a sociopath. I think the subtext of his problems volunteering for the Special Forces came down to that. Not his age. But he had such a stellar record they could no longer turn him down. But when he realizes that he is not as ruthless as he is expected to be (he literally breaks down and sobs over the children having their arms cut off) he has an identity crisis. His "ruthlessness" from then on is neurotic, not genuinely sociopathic. He remains tortured by the paradox (that means nothing to the rest of Special Forces) as we hear when he asks, "What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin?" We call it "hypocrisy." But he can't consciously accept that he has dedicated his whole life (and literally busted his ass) for the sake of a massive hypocrisy. That's why he wants Willard to kill him. He can no longer stand himself at all.

The best scene in the whole movie is the scene where Willard is being briefed for his mission by the General. It sounds like the General is "praising" Kurtz's humanity, his wit, his humor. But he isn't. He's listing Kurtz's defects (from the point of view of SF.) His worst crime, of course, is believing in the Cause for which he thinks he's supposed to be fighting. Even worse, he thinks he's supposed to be WINNING the war. And the worst part is, he IS winning the war. And he must be stopped.

John Milius put a lot of the same stuff in another one of his screenplays, the script for Patton (Coppola worked on that script, too.) Milius's Patton is trapped in the same dilemma as Kurtz. The Good Soldier, Patton naively thinks he's supposed to win the war. He simply doesn't understand that "some things are more important than victory."

Jebus! Great work, as usual!

Nother words, Susan Atkins could easily have read or heard about this theory BEFORE she started blabbing to her cellmates. Funny, that.

It's also funny that this issue of this "news" paper had a feature story about some [Neo?] Nazis. And an article warning about the "Rise of the militant Jew." 16 will get 20 that Butler knew the Nazis, too.

Interesting snoho... what did Justin/Marilyn say about 3 men? Or do you happen to have a link? I've been down the old stuff rabbit hole too lol. Lots of little tid bits hidden throughout those old forums. Too bad a lot of the stuff from way back was lost.

And I hear ya guys! I go back and forth all the time. Each person had reasons they could have been the target. I may lean slightly towards one more than the others but I'm not sold on anything. And the suspects, no one is truthful and everyone seems shady & suspect to me.

I wish more people would talk/post as well. Poor Kathy. It is sad, these people deserve justice.

Been going over Marilyn's old posts. It really is to bad she got chased away, she really came across as very open, if sometimes admittedly confused. She even helped and corrected dmac on things. Anyway, she talks about the incident with the BB gun at the meeks place. I certainly got the impression the bb gun belonged one of the meeks boys. I'm assuming there was a police report involved. I wonder if the police asked about a scope after the murders. I, my siblings, neighbor kids all had bb guns back in the day, and I don't remember ever seeing one with a scope. I know I would have been pretty impressed if anyone had.

Well I've been reading up on old stuff once again, it seems justin at least told his mother there were 3 men. It seemed to be excepted back in the day that there were 3.