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Post by Omega on Oct 20, 2020 13:17:58 GMT -6
"Roy Rogers and Dale Evans are my favorite stars. Next to James Camaro who is white but dresses like an Indian." Blah blah blah. Everyone assumes "like an Indian" means "like a Native American." But why would it? Why couldn't it mean like a person from India? Or a Swami or a guru or WTF ever? Rodney doesn't look all that Hispanic. I have to be crazy, right? ![]()  This mug shot was taken when? ![]()   The eyebrows Professor....the eyebrows.....
CONGRATULATIONS also on surpassing the 1,000 posts mark!
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 20, 2020 13:14:25 GMT -6
"Roy Rogers and Dale Evans are my favorite stars. Next to James Camaro who is white but dresses like an Indian." Blah blah blah. Everyone assumes "like an Indian" means "like a Native American." But why would it? Why couldn't it mean like a person from India? Or a Swami or a guru or WTF ever? Rodney doesn't look all that Hispanic. I have to be crazy, right? ![]()  This mug shot was taken when? Notice the embroidery on the "shirt." ![]()  
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Post by Omega on Oct 20, 2020 13:13:47 GMT -6
The one consistency we have seen with the pseudonyms given in "The Ultimate Evil" is when they are eventually found out to the real identity, the name is very close to the pseudonym.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 20, 2020 12:55:28 GMT -6
Oh, that's the EASIEST thing to "fake." You don't have to fake it. All you have to do is file a claim (like, by or on behalf of his daughter) for survivor benefits. That's it. If the claim is denied for lack of death certificate or any other reason, the "deceased" stays listed in the index. Then all you have to do is change your birthdate. Well, that's how easy it was back in the day.
The guy in the mug shot is named Craig Glassman. He moved from upstate New York to Florida right after Craig Glassman died. The birthdates are different. But he's wearing the same glasses. Which is weird.
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Post by elantric on Oct 20, 2020 12:52:02 GMT -6
I thought about Rodney Alcala possibly being James Camaro, but it just seemed so crazy at the time. So I didn't say anything until I came across the Alcala-Manson stuff when I was trying to find evidence that he might be Camaro. I didn't find any. But it turned out he was suddenly a possible suspect--the only one with a comprehensible motive--for Tate. How crazy is THAT? IMHO -Rodney Alcala served wherever he was sent - and bounced between Los Angles, New York, Las Vega, Seattle, New Hampshire, Washington D.C, Texas, Mexico en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Alcala#Timeline
www.ocregister.com/2010/04/10/detectives-identify-some-who-posed-for-alcala/
RODNEY ALCALA TIMELINE


Year(s) Event or victim name Offense; offender status/location
1961–64 U.S. Army
1968 Graduated from UCLA
1968 Tali Shapiro Rape, attempted murder; pleaded guilty to assault, 1971/California
1968–71 Fugitive, student NYU Film School, camp counselor New York, New Hampshire
1971 Cornelia Crilley Murder; indicted, 2011/New York
1971–74 Incarcerated (Tali Shapiro conviction) California
1974 "Julie J." Parole violation, providing marijuana to minor; Convicted, 1974/California
1974–77 Incarcerated ("Julie J." conviction) California
1977 Ellen Hover Murder; indicted, 2011/New York
1977 Worked as Los Angeles Times typesetter California
1977 Antoinette Wittaker Murder; suspect, Washington
1977 Jill Barcomb Murder; convicted, 2010/California
1977 Questioned by FBI regarding Hover California
1977 Georgia Wixted Murder; convicted, 2010/California
1977 Pamela Jean Lambson Murder; accused, 2011/California
1977 Christine Ruth Thornton Murder; charged, 2016/Wyoming
1978 Joyce Gaunt Murder; suspect/Washington
1978 Interviewed by Hillside Strangler task force California
1978 Incarcerated (marijuana possession) California
1978 Contestant, The Dating Game California
1978 Charlotte Lamb Murder; convicted, 2010/California
1979 Jill Parenteau Murder; convicted, 2010/California
1979 Robin Samsoe Murder; convicted, 1980, 1986, 2010/California
1979 Arrested on suspicion of Samsoe murder California
1980 Conviction #1, sentenced to death for Samsoe murder California
1984 Conviction #1 overturned by California Supreme Court California
1986 Conviction #2, sentenced to death for Samsoe murder California
1994 You, the Jury Self-published book asserting innocence in Samsoe case
2001 Conviction #2 overturned by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit California
2003 DNA collected, 4 additional murders discovered California
2003 Motion to join Samsoe case with 4 others proposed; contested by Alcala California
2006 Case join granted by California Supreme Court California
2010 Conviction #3, sentenced to death for murders of Samsoe, Parenteau, Lamb, Wixted, and Barcomb California
2011 Indicted for murders of Hover, Crilley New York
2013 Pleaded guilty and sentenced to 25 years to life for murders of Hover, Crilley New York
ANOTHER TIMELINE (MUST READ LINK murderpedia.org/male.A/a/alcala-rodney.htm
year of event Event, victim name Location Alias/Note
1961-64 US Army
1968 Graduated from UCLA
1968 Tali Shapiro, age 8 Rape, Battery; Pleaded guilty to assault, 1971/California
1968-71 Fugitive (available forTate/Labianca)
1968–71 Enrolled at NYU Film School New York, NY John Berger
1970-71 Camp Counselor New Hampshire John Burger
1971 Cornelia Crilley, age 23 Murder; Suspected/New York
1971 FBI Ten Most Wanted List
1971–74 Incarcerated (Tali Shapiro conviction) California
1974 "Julie J.", age 13 Parole Violation, providing marijuana to minor; Convicted, 1974/California
1974-78 Ted Bundy Colorado/Florida/Idaho/ Oregon/Utah, etc. for time-line comparison
1974-77 Incarcerated ("Julie J." conviction) California
1975-77 Son of Sam aka David Berkowitz New York City for time-line comparison
1977 Ellen Hover Murder; Suspected/New York John Berger
1977 Worked as Los Angeles Times typesetter California
1977-78 Hillside Strangler California for time-line comparison
1977 Jill Barcomb, age 18 Murder; Convicted, 2009/California
1977 Questioned by FBI regarding Hover California Rodney Alcala, John Berger
1977 Georgia Wixted, age 27 Murder; Convicted, 2009/California
1978 interviewed as part of Hillside Strangler investigation California
1978 Incarcerated (Possession-drugs) California
1978 Contestant, The Dating Game California
1978 Charlotte Lamb, age 32 Murder; Convicted, 2009/California
1979 Jill Parenteau, age 21 Murder; Convicted, 2009/California
1979 Robin Samsoe age 12 Murder; Convicted, 1980, 1986, 2009/California
1979 Arrested on suspicion of Samsoe murder California
1980 Conviction #1, sentenced to death for Samsoe murder California
1984 Conviction #1 overturned by California Supreme Court California
1986 Conviction #2, sentenced to death for Samsoe murder California
1994 You, the Jury "True crime" book, asserting his innocence
2001 Conviction #2 overturned by 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals California
2003 DNA collected, 4 additional murders discovered California
2003 Motion to join Samsoe case with 4 others proposed; contested by Alcala California
2006 Case join granted by California Supreme Court California
2009-10 Conviction #3, sentenced to death for murders of Samsoe, Parenteau, Lamb, Wixted, and Barcomb California
The CAMARO / ALCALA connection was made here too:kidkenoma.wordpress.com/2019/01/01/update-mr-real-estate/
OTHER SERIAL KILLER TIMELINES

MUST SEE Interactive timelines www.latimes.com/projects/man-in-the-window-crime-map-golden-state-killer-serial/
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 20, 2020 12:51:17 GMT -6
I think Maugham got the character of Larry Darrell from a suggestion by Crowley that he write a book about Ronald Nixon?
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 20, 2020 12:46:00 GMT -6
I thought about Rodney Alcala possibly being James Camaro, but it just seemed so crazy at the time. So I didn't say anything until I came across the Alcala-Manson stuff when I was trying to find evidence that he might be Camaro. I didn't find any. But it turned out he was suddenly a possible suspect--the only one with a comprehensible motive--for Tate. How crazy is THAT?
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Post by elantric on Oct 20, 2020 12:44:51 GMT -6
I'm not sure, someone else probably knows better than me though. I don't have access to FRB but I did a google search for "Croker Family Quincy, California" and "Croker Family Plumas County". Came up with the Charles Croker who built the WP railroad and there is a Croker Campground in Portola. Couldn't find out much else and all info was from the late 1800s and early 1900s other than the mention of a child/grandchild born in 1947. CROCKER FAMILY is major in California - Charles Crocker founder of the Central Pacific Railroad founded "CROCKER CITIZENS BANK" based in San Francisco en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_spikeThe golden spike (also known as The Last Spike[1]) is the ceremonial 17.6-karat gold final spike driven by Leland Stanford to join the rails of the First Transcontinental Railroad across the United States connecting the Central Pacific Railroad from Sacramento and the Union Pacific Railroad from Omaha on May 10, 1869, at Promontory Summit, Utah Territory. The term last spike has been used to refer to one driven at the usually ceremonial completion of any new railroad construction projects, particularly those in which construction is undertaken from two disparate origins towards a common meeting point. The spike is now displayed in the Cantor Arts Center at Stanford University.[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Crockeren.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocker_National_BankFamily Tree gw.geneanet.org/tdowling?lang=en&n=crocker&oc=0&p=charles
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Post by Omega on Oct 20, 2020 12:31:31 GMT -6
I know the Son of Sam sketch below is a composite, from different eyewitnesses, of combining features of a few different suspects (including possibly a woman - yellow VW driver. Thanks/props to Jon!) at the Moskowitz/Violante Brooklyn shooting, but.... Still can't get over that Alcala was in New York City when Ellen Hover disappears on July 15th, 1977 (two weeks prior to Moskowitz/Violante shootings). He is eventually convicted of Hover's murder. In some other cyberspace circles, the speculation is that Alcala resembles the person given the pseudonym "James Camaro" by Maury Terry in "The Ultimate Evil"
Notice the eyebrows below:
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Post by hope on Oct 20, 2020 9:35:05 GMT -6
I'm not sure, someone else probably knows better than me though. I don't have access to FRB but I did a google search for "Croker Family Quincy, California" and "Croker Family Plumas County". Came up with the Charles Croker who built the WP railroad and there is a Croker Campground in Portola. Couldn't find out much else and all info was from the late 1800s and early 1900s other than the mention of a child/grandchild born in 1947.
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Post by karis on Oct 20, 2020 9:03:08 GMT -6
I cannot find anything in the FRB about any Crocker's. Could it be Coker's?
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 20, 2020 8:35:47 GMT -6
"Go with Tex and do whatever he tells you."
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 20, 2020 8:34:27 GMT -6
Rule Number One: There is no such thing as a "random" murder.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 20, 2020 8:33:07 GMT -6
It's also pretty hot.
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Post by hope on Oct 20, 2020 8:22:40 GMT -6
Thanks for the info guys. You do such a great job of connecting the people on the PON list, misc reports, timing, etc. That is not my strong suit lol. There are so many people on that PON list. I remember Stoy mentioning that in the paper but didn't know what family he was speaking of. I was also confusing the Comptons and the Crockers. I found the old post I was thinking of and that was about the Crockers. It is another thing that says the murders happened because of stolen acid. And according to that post it was the Crockers who moved and changed schools shortly after the murders. Oroville is also mentioned in that post. Are they related to the Crockers that built the railroads? It mentions the family is well known and probably had political connections. I'm sure you guys have seen it before, but I will attach the post below. Brian's statement to police is certainly odd. These strange guys from Oroville show up to his party that never materialized and he doesn't know who they are? Weird, that guys from Oroville are also mentioned in the post from Bonnie's, and as being who the acid was stolen from. All the parties are confusing to me as well. When I was a teenager if we had a party (usually at a spot in the woods) everyone was there, tons of kids. There weren't all these different parties going on everywhere, everyone was at the same one party together. The fact that Johnny & Dana spent the night mostly wandering around instead of being at a party for most of the night is odd to me as well. You would think they would want to be with everyone else.
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