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Post by elantric on Oct 26, 2020 19:21:42 GMT -6
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Post by elantric on Oct 26, 2020 19:10:56 GMT -6
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Post by anyhoo on Oct 26, 2020 10:32:15 GMT -6
The Whites keep their family business hush-hush. Like relatives of serial killers and other HIGH profile "witnesses," Russell Fleet White II has had his public records erased. I wonder if the Krebs "family" knew Cameron. If they knew Gillies and her mother's family the Meyers, and if they lived in the area, they would have a pretty good idea who was living there. The population density of that whole region is close to zero. When White II and his family moved to Boulder, he had no job, just income. He said he was looking for "business opportunities" in Boulder. Immediately, he and his family rrreeeaaalllly latched onto the Ramseys. Almost like leeches. Fleet III has a very, very impressive resume of his own. And he's only 31. He's like a Chelsea Clinton, but in Defense Contracting (K Street,) instead of Wall Street. I don't see how he did that without some pull from John Ramsey. Which explains his leeching onto John Ramsey the day his feet hit the ground in Boulder. (Or at least, Ramsey's other "friends.") Especially when the Whites are supposed to be enemies (now) of the Ramseys. And of course, the Meyers and other ranch owners were always interested in prospectors of all sorts, including oil and gas. I need to double-check, but I think Cathy Gillies was a local teenaged girl befriended by Cameron when Cameron stayed at the Barker Ranch. I have a hunch that's how Cathy became acquainted with Manson--through Cameron. There are too many coincidences between Cameron and Charlie for Cathy to lead Charlie to Barker Ranch by coincidence. You said that when Fleet White Jr and his family moved to Boulder he had no job but how do we know that? Can any of the information about Fleet White Jr in Colorado be trusted not to be disinformation? Remember that John Ramsey claimed that he first met the Whites in 1994 and they were living in a small rental house but that story is too incredible to be believed knowing the wealth of the family that Fleet White Jr. comes from. Personally I do not trust any of the publicly released information about Fleet White Jr. in Colorado to be the truth. I contend that a high level cover up is in place to conceal the truth about Fleet White Jr.'s presence in Colorado and his involvement in Fleet Oil Company. The story that they want us to believe about Fleet White Jr., which you basically repeated as if it was fact, is highly suspect not to be the truth. Certainly nothing that John Ramsey or Fleet White Jr. say (both known liars) can be trusted unless independently verified. I know next to nothing about Fleet White III but knowing the family he comes from I would suspect he is the heir of the family fortune and that he is a Satanist just like his father and his grandfather. You say that Fleet White III is in defense contracting. What is your source for that information? |
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Post by Jon on Oct 26, 2020 6:20:26 GMT -6
And here's something else that's interesting: Peter DeFeo came up through the mob-controlled N.Y.C. District Council of Carpenters. Their members include carpenters, dock builders--and carpet/tile/floorcovering installers. Maybe there's a Yonkers link here? Richard Goldmintz, who was at least peripherally connected to the Westchester cult via his wife Esperanza, the sister of Peter Perez, owned Crown Carpet ("We install, we deliver") on Central Park Avenue in Yonkers. |
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Post by karis on Oct 26, 2020 3:39:24 GMT -6
Justin was born April 8, 1969 so he had just celebrated his 12th birthday 3 days earlier.
I agree, most kids would have run. He was "asleep" in the bedroom that was probably 9 ft. from the house next door. The room had a window. Why didn't he run? But according to the current theory he was "forced" to participate. Not only he but the victims other 10 year old son. But we know according to what Justin himself told:
1. He heard a noise and got out of bed and watched Tina get taken out by 2 men.
He just witnessed Tina being abducted but he didn't run for help.
2. described 1, no 2, men
If he saw the men leave with Tina why didn't he run?
3. he helped Sue by running into the room and placing a rag over her cut on her chest to try to stop the bleeding.
Once again he didn't freeze up or run but instead tried to help Sue. He didn't mention when he cleaned up after helping Sue. He would have had blood on his hands and feet.
4. he described the bottom of Dana Wingate's shoes.
Look at the crime scene photo's and notice where he would have to have been in that room to seen this. The shoes were not Dana's but borrowed from a friend earlier
5. after witnessing what he described he then went and got in the bed and went to sleep
Bored? No in all that Justin told he never said anything about being bored. He says they rode bikes till dark, they went inside and watched tv, at some point they play cars "all over the house", then went to bed and went to sleep. He never mentions playing with the any tape.
Who knows. Justin has told so many things. He has told he went in and out of that house that night. If so, why didn't he go to the Seabolts for help? If he really tried to help Sue he would have had blood on his hands and more than likely his feet(unless he had on his shoes). Where and when did he clean up? Looking at the crime scene photos he had to have walked around that room to have seen the bottom of Dana's shoes. He didn't see that in the dark. Nor did he see the cut on Sue chest in the dark. He had to have turned on the light. If he did that then the killer(s) were not there at that point. Once again he didn't run. He went back to bed in that murder house after witnessing Sue, Dana and Johnny's bodies and slept. All this was according to him.
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Post by poweranni on Oct 25, 2020 22:37:27 GMT -6
given what we know about Justin’s statements why wouldn’t his DNA be there? It has been said Justin's DNA was on the tape. If that is true, why was his DNA on the tape? Why was his DNA on anything? Did he bleed? Was the DNA from blood? And from the photo of Sue, her hands are resting on her dress. If he tried to "help" Sue, (we know according to what he said he had to have seen her wound on her chest) he would have done that after the killers were gone. Her hands were already tied in front. She was "hog" tied which meant she would have been in an almost fetal position. In order see anything he would have had to take the blanket and sheet off her body. Why not try and take her gag off. But according to him he check the wound of her chest. Not only did he have to take the blanket and sheet off her he had to move her bloody hands. If that be the case he could have left a bloody finger print(s). After checking Sue and surely getting blood on his hands he then had to put the sheet and blanket back over her. Or, did he then go and wash his hands in the bathroom? (I hope I am making sense.) How did Justin even know her chest was cut with the blanket and sheet covering her and with her body almost in a fetal position, and the low lighting?Did he try to "help" Johnny and Dana? Why Sue and not the boys? He had to have seen them first. After seeing the boys why wasn't he afraid to lift that blanket?? I don't think he could have done or seen any of this without the light in that room being on. After spending time checking Sue Justin knew the killers are not in the house or waiting outside, after all they have Tina (according to him). Why didn't he run out of that house to get help? The boys go back to bed in that house with 3 dead bodies. Justin was not the only one awake in that house that night. According to the reports Greg talked about that night and talked about waking up. If Greg was awake then so was Ricky. Much has been made of Justin's alleged involvement. Wasn't Justin a 12 year old boy at the time? Most kids that age would run in terror. Or freeze up, totally intimidated. Imagine walking into a room where your friend's mom, his older brother and this much older teenager are lying in a pool of blood with bashed-in skulls .... think back to your mindset, at 12 years of age. Then imagine THAT scene! If his DNA is on the medical tape, it is probably because it was in the house and the kids were goofing around with it. Bored kids do that kind of stuff. Did the suspect bring in the medical tape, or was it already in the house? |
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 25, 2020 19:21:35 GMT -6
I forgot Miguel was a Green Beret. I knew he was hard core.
And that Richard's shrink claimed he was a "manufactured" sociopath. That's funny, because our old friend "Doctor" Ewen Cameron specifically conducted experiments intended to create a...well, never mind. I'm crazy.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 25, 2020 19:17:02 GMT -6
Yeah. Those parallels to PAT are interesting, all right. It's like Manson. If he wasn't part of CHAOS, then why did Bugliosi accuse him of doing shit identical to CHAOS? How would Lucas know HOW to lie about any of that shit?
Remember, Donna Lauria's father worked for a bus company that reeked of garlic. The first SOS murder was the first SOS murder where half the neighborhood blurted out "Mafia!" and the NYPD shouted, "Nuh-uh! No mafia! NO MAFIA!"
And again, if the Mafia are farming out some of these hits, then maybe they hired a Satanic Hit Club. I cannot believe that SOME Mafiosi aren't closet Satanists...
...or, Freemasons. The BIG Denaros in in Sicily (Google Matteo Denaro,) along with their Patrons, the D'Ali (from Turkey. In the 9th Century. You think the Rothschilds are...) family are HIGH-ranking Propaganda Due Lodge. You may be surprised at how many prominent politicians and Catholic hierarchy have belonged to that Lodge. Then again, maybe you wouldn't be surprised.
Did I mention that a man named Frank J Denaro (by a stunning coincidence, "no" relation to SOS victim Carl Denaro--except, Carl's STEP father worked DIRECTLY under Frank J) ran money laundering at Citibank NY, who laundered BILLIONS for the D'Ali family's PRIVATE bank, Banco Sicilia Trapani? And Frank J Denaro owned a NICE house in Bay Shore, home of the Mother of America's Wiccan covens? Google "Propaganda Due."
And PAT's MO is awfully similar to Marina Habe, Reet Jurvetson, Sharon Tate...he does it for FUN.
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Post by karis on Oct 25, 2020 18:12:01 GMT -6
Shawn and Rodger Stratton were stepbrothers with Chuck(Charles) Walke.
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Post by kmik on Oct 25, 2020 17:25:24 GMT -6
Not that I can remember but would be nice to see. A few years ago someone pointed out how remote Camp 18 was and reminded us that when Tina's remains were found, LE had assigned someone to obtain a list of deer kills in the area from '74-'81 for the purpose of finding people familiar with that area. Would love to know what they came up with since it's obvious someone HAD to be familiar with that area and I think that would really rule out some transient in Keddie committing the murders and dragging Tina's body to Camp 18.
PCSO Actions Upon Tina's Discovery:
The report is dated 6-19-84.
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Post by james1983 on Oct 25, 2020 17:02:11 GMT -6
Professor. I've heard you mention the Reynolds family recently. Is Harmon G. Reynolds part of this family? I'm asking because I ran across the name in reference to him issuing life insurance to civil war soldiers who were Freemasons. These freemasonic insurance companies later evolved into the insurance companies we have today.
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Post by johnreno on Oct 25, 2020 16:35:05 GMT -6
Now, as for Judge McKnight...he was definitely connected to the Reno/SF mob. He was definitely connected to the Stratton family, who had owned most of the timber land west of Quincy. In fact, their holdings once bordered camp 18. I'm 99 percent sure he was the one who worked with Henry Mollath (a mob-connected real estate lawyer in Reno) over the whole "let's screw the English family over the Keddie property" scam. I'm new, but have there been any descriptions or maps posted that lay out the Stratton's timber holdings? Camp 18 is so disturbingly close to Strawberry Valley where Kathy Howard was found. They are separated by an hour of bad "road" but only 5 miles as the crow flies. ![]()    |
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Post by marionumber1 on Oct 25, 2020 12:35:48 GMT -6
Professor, that's the same impression I've gotten about most of these cult crimes. And I do believe these cults were real, but their main reason for existence is all about the money. Cults like the Process have formed an ideal front for drug trafficking, pedophile networks, and murder-for-hire. Not only does it help these operations stay far on the fringes of society cloaked by public incredulity, but it also provides an effective social glue to attract and bind together "lone nut" footsoldiers, who are largely downtrodden people in society looking to gain a sense of power and purpose. It is no surprise to find that many of these cults appear to have close links to intelligence agencies either, because those organized crime activities are exactly what the intelligence services involve themselves in. Your post about the DeFeo family is part of what inspired me to post this, actually. I found it interesting how you noted their involvement in mafia-dominated car businesses. Would there happen to have been any auto transport companies in the mix? If so, that would be another parallel to both Thomas Creech and Henry Lee Lucas's stories of cult recruitment. Several of Thomas Creech's murders appeared to be organized crime hits. Creech even characterized himself as "a professional killer for a motorcycle gang involved in national drug traffic". William Joseph Dean, a confirmed victim of Creech who was found in the quarters where Creech lived as the sexton of an Episcopalian church, was a Portland biker whom Creech said was killed over a marijuana deal gone wrong. Gordon Stanton, whose body Creech led police to, was a Nevada union organizer whom Creech said was killed for holding out money. In fact, Creech openly claimed on the witness stand that the Stanton murder and others were ordered by Peter Simon, the owner of the Pop's Oasis motel/casino in Jean NV near Las Vegas. He asserted that Simon was one of his employers in the auto transport heroin smuggling ring. And Creech also claimed that his final victims in Idaho, Edward Thomas Arnold and John Wayne Bradford, were former business partners of his in drug running while in Grand Junction CO. Note as well, if you read the Oui article I linked above, that Creech's statements have tied him to the Manson group — he talked about ritual sites in the Los Angeles area connected to the Family's activities, and when police excavated it they found "a gilt-framed photograph of a character well-known as a sleazy practitioner of satanism and as the operator of an S/M occult disco in Hollywood" — and the Symbionese Liberation Army — he claims that Simon had him deliver a drug package to an SLA house in San Francisco where Patty Hearst was. Some of the purported Hand of Death murders also appear to be contract hits. The John P. McDaniel murder sticks out because he was the father of the Jackson County FL sheriff, and a couple decades later, Sheriff McDaniel had tragedy strike again when some other purported lone nuts killed his wife: www.mypanhandle.com/news/the-high-sheriff-former-jackson-county-sheriff-tells-of-his-time-in-office/857379121 So does the kidnapping of Adam Walsh, whether by Toole, Dahmer, or both working together, because John Walsh worked for Miami-area hotel executive John Monahan who is linked to organized crime (p.392-394 of Harris): Per some FBI documents on the Hand of Death that I recently got, it was also claimed by Lucas that the Hand of Death was also contracted to murder a millionaire couple in Bastrop TX, likely John Whatley and Faye Eva Whatley.  It's fitting, too, that you mention Philip Arthur Thompson. Those FBI documents suggest some interesting parallels to Thompson.   Lucas implicates the Hand of Death in running the El Salvador death squads, which were CIA-backed and modeled on the earlier Phoenix Program. (It's also interesting to note that Lucas's cousin Bobby Joe Long received military training at Fort Benning, home to the School of the Americas which trained many of these death squad operators. And one member of the Salvadoran military, Ernesto Deras, was a satanic worshipper who went on to play a key role in organizing the MS-13 gang.) He also places some of its members in Riverside County CA, involved in drug running and contract killings including on Indian reservations in the area. Sound familiar? Thompson was a serial murderer and contract killer who worked for the CIA, including on the Cabazon reservation in Riverside County. He was described as having performed "Satanistic" activities, and was involved with his friend John Gordon Abbott in "attempting to get together a million-dollar bankroll for a shipment of automatic weapons that they were then to deliver to a right-wing counterinsurgency group in El Salvador". So Lucas's description of Hand of Death cult activities also seem to have some uncanny matches with what Thompson was up to. One final note: Lucas also claimed that the cult had an "overseer" who lived in the Washington DC area and worked for an unspecified government organization:  |
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Post by Omega on Oct 25, 2020 11:41:04 GMT -6
4. The "Son of Sam" shootings like EXACTLY like standard mafia hits. Hmmmmm....and what does all that experience working this high profile case get you promoted to and eventually in charge of the overall task force?
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 25, 2020 11:07:13 GMT -6
I'll go ahead and start making a point I'm going to get around to eventually, anyway: An awful lot of this "cult murder" stuff (especially from 1969-1989) swirls around an awful lot of murders that are quite simply obvious mafia-related hits. And by obvious, I mean, every time investigators come upon evidence of mob involvement, they shut down the investigation and hold a press conference to announce something like "Psycho!" or "Cult!" To summarize what's been discussed on the podcast so far:
1. Several "Zodiac" murders are pretty obviously Hells Angels and mafia related. By obvious, I mean, when investigators received two tips that Faraday and Jensen may have been bumped off by A. a mobster and/or B. Hells Angels, the investigation stopped dead and Les Lundblad told a press conference,"Apparently it was some deranged individual." The shooting of Mageau and Ferrin points straight to the same gang who rubbed out Faraday, Jensen, and several other drug-related murders in that area at that time. The murder of Paul Stine looks exactly like a mob hit. The victim literally drove his killer to the crime scene, who did a very, very professional job. The first cop on the scene spent his whole career covering for a mobster named Philip Arthur Thompson. Toschi never did any actual investigation into that murder whatsoever. He did everything he could NOT to crack that case.
2. The Keddie Cabin 28 murders stink to high heaven of Hells Angels.
3. Tex Watson was spending morning noon and night ripping off east coast mobsters Joel Rostau and Gino Massaro, who were rubbed out six months after the Tate murder by their own mobs back east. Leno and Rosemary LaBianca ate, breathed, slept, and shit Mafia. Leno had burned the mafia for hundreds of thousands (many millions in today's money) of dollars from his and his father's mafia owned businesses. Rosemary herself supposedly amassed a 2.5 million dollar fortune. She didn't do that by selling off the rack dresses in a little shop in Los Feliz.
4. The "Son of Sam" shootings like EXACTLY like standard mafia hits. The victim is driven to the scene of the shooting by a "friend" who just happens to have a Sicilian name and about 23 uncles definitely connected to the mafia. A friend who (in all cases but one) miraculously survives a hail of gunfire. Five minutes after arriving at the scene, police start screaming, "There's no mafia connection! There's no mafia connection! There's no mafia connection!" When records of the actual police investigations begin surfacing decades later, it turns out that the victims (and especially their parents) were also up to their eyeballs in activity dominated and very often controlled 100 percent by the mafia. Drugs. Prostitution. Stolen cars. Money laundering. I'm not necessarily saying Carl Denaro or Donna Lauria got shot because they or their fathers were in the mafia. I'm saying, they got shot BY the mafia (or contracted by the mafia.) And maaayyyybeee because they WEREN'T in the mafia. The mafia do kill people who aren't in the mafia themselves. But if you live in New York and your name is Denaro and your family members are up their eyeballs in laundering money for the mafia, (eeeeeven if Frank J Denaro is "no relation" to Carl) then the mafia are going to take an interest in you. Especially when the biggest names in the Sicilian mafia include Valenti and Denaro, and not just Corleone. Don't tell me the mafia didn't constantly sniff around Carl's birth family trying to pressure SOME of them into The Family.
5. The mass murder of the DeFeo family in the "Amityville Horror House" is so laughably mafia connected that only a New York cop could possibly claim "No mafia involvement"--after 5 minutes of an "investigation" in which the only surviving member, Ron Jr, who spent 1000 dollars a week or more on mafia-owned prostitutes, narcotics, and card games, told them "My grandfather, a Sicilian, operates a mafia-owned car dealership that is nothing but a front for the mafia's hot cars, narcotics, and body-dumping operations. A bona fide mafia hit man..." Before the tape recorder was even finished rewinding, Long Island police were screaming at reporters, "There's no mafia connection! There's no mafia connection! There's no mafia connection!" And that neighborhood has more Denaros and Valentis than mosquitoes. And some of the Denaros are married to Valentis. And again--don't tell me NYPD didn't look at the names "Lauria" and "Denaro" and "Valenti" and "Suriani" and "Lomino" and "DeMassi" and "Brigante" and "DeFeo" and say, "Fuck it. I'm going out for a cup of coffee. In Ohio. Let me know when you catch the cult psychos who did this."
I'm not saying none of these people, victims or perpetrators, may have belonged to a cult of some kind. But the murders themselves stink to high heaven (sorry) of mafia, mafia, mafia.
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