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Post by snoho17 on Oct 28, 2020 15:45:23 GMT -6
My one takeaway from reading years of posts is people get some funny ideas about what its like living in the "boonies". I do agree with the dude about the drug culture. Its usually locals who make runs to bigger towns. Some make a few extra bucks, and most deal to support their own habits. Though nott big time cartel members, dime dealers will get violent over small amounts..Especially if they're working off "fronts". Snd As soon as someone gets a license, they're apt to spend ALOT of time cruising logging,dnr,and fire service roads. Many weekends spent exploring the back forty on dirt bikes, target shooting, rock hounding, mushroom hunting ect. You may run into some odd characters for sure! I won't rule em out, but alot of the personal connections could easily be coincidental. I know of a few spots in my area that have been used as body dump sites by multiple killers. Besides a few unsolveds, most of them were definitely unconnected, even though a few of the victims could be connected together! Mollath did jump out at me,but can't say i can see any real concrete connection.
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Post by kmik on Oct 28, 2020 13:44:16 GMT -6
According to the FRB Kathy Howard was sexually assaulted so do they not have DNA they can test or have they tested it and come up with nothing?
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Post by kmik on Oct 28, 2020 13:30:09 GMT -6
Knowledge of Camp 18 would be a must. More info on Steve H would be nice to know but from Mrs. Alvey's statement he was in Quincy the night of the murders. Here is something else interesting:
From the PON list:
This is interesting to me because Scott and Steve were both arrested in 1975 for selling marijuana. Steve was listed as 18yr.old and a student at Greenville High. Scott was listed as 18yr. old and from Quincy. The surely knew each other. And here is Scott supposedly at this "acid party" in MV. The "acid" party nobody admitted to being at - then you got this "Steve" who supposedly claimed to have been walking around Keddie high on acid. Now we've got the acid party probably being at Chuck's place in Keddie instead of his stepbrother Roger's in MV.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 28, 2020 9:34:35 GMT -6
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Post by hope on Oct 28, 2020 9:22:22 GMT -6
Here is one more post of his that adds some good points to his theory. 
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Post by hope on Oct 28, 2020 9:11:52 GMT -6
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 28, 2020 9:00:39 GMT -6
The Garment Workers BUILT Co-Op City (and other apartment buildings.) And there are other financial connections between Co-Op City and buildings like the Pratt Institute. Rosemary LaBianca's dress shop was stocked with inventory from a factory owned by the Garment Workers Union. JSYK, that union was as (if not more) mob controlled than the Teamsters or the Longshoremen. How many SOS victims and other characters worked in the garment industry? Berko worked for a HVAC installer. That's Plumbers and Steamfitters. Hollyweird was and is unionized inside and out.
This week's podcast will take a closer look at mafia links to all these cases (and more.)
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 28, 2020 8:52:27 GMT -6
Boris Karloff didn't need monster makeup. He looked scary AF in every movie.
"I've always been a sucker for women!" --Nick the Barber
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Post by hope on Oct 28, 2020 8:41:10 GMT -6
Poweranni, you are right, camp 18 is probably the biggest clue. Start there and work backwards. Who had knowledge of that area? As well a possibly a proper vehicle to navigate those difficult back roads from Keddie to Camp eighteen. And as Pro Horan pointed out previously, the knots are also important. From Sue's autopsy report: "the larger cord shows a brown female plug in The other end is a male type plug. This cord loops about the wrists and extends over the right hand, between the thumb and forefinger and connects with a lead of the cord which connects to the ankle. This connection is accomplished with the female end caught in a suggestive double clove hitch type knot near the dorsum (top) of the right hand." They could have just used a "granny knot" to tie together the cords, instead they used a double clove hitch knot. Seems like someone who is familiar with different knots and comfortable enough to use it at that moment. Does anyone know what type of work Steve did at the time? Double clove hitch knot: 
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Post by elantric on Oct 28, 2020 2:26:08 GMT -6
Speaking of cocaine fiends, watch an old pre-Code movie called "Smart Money" starring Edward G. Robinson (as "Nick the Barber.") The girls working in the hotel (and the one who comes around to hit up Nick for a C-note to get an abortion in the first fucking scene) are exactly the girls "Cocaine Fiends" is warning teenaged girls not to end up as. Smart Money 1931 (ENG.SUB) Edward G. Robinson ok.ru/video/1054164191896Look for Boris Karloff in the 1st 15 minutes.
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Post by Jon on Oct 27, 2020 22:52:04 GMT -6
Aha! I was beating my brains out trying to remember who that was. Yeah. Why wouldn't there be a link? In fact, it explains it perfectly. Goldmintz also owned a venetian blind business that operated out of the same building. Interestingly, Kelly Morrissey (who disappeared in June 1984 from Lynbrook, NY, where two other girls were murdered shortly thereafter) worked at a venetian blind store. The larger cult case is bizarre enough for this to have been more than coincidence.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 27, 2020 21:54:02 GMT -6
Aha! I was beating my brains out trying to remember who that was. Yeah. Why wouldn't there be a link? In fact, it explains it perfectly.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 27, 2020 21:48:47 GMT -6
Speaking of cocaine fiends, watch an old pre-Code movie called "Smart Money" starring Edward G. Robinson (as "Nick the Barber.") The girls working in the hotel (and the one who comes around to hit up Nick for a C-note to get an abortion in the first fucking scene) are exactly the girls "Cocaine Fiends" is warning teenaged girls not to end up as. If you follow me. A LOT of pre-code movies, and not only "gangster" movies, have female characters who fit that stereotype. Olive Oyl is one of those "fallen girls." That's why she's so skinny, and spends all her time around sailors. "Cocaine Chic" was already a thing way back when your great-grandma was shaking her money maker to The Lindy Hop--literally, a coke-fueled rave-style dance, like the Jitterbug. "Hop" (cocaine) gives you the "Jitterbugs" which makes you get up and "Hip-Hop" across the dance floor. Get it?) Between 1919 and 1921, the Ideal flips from plus-sized Gibson Girls to coat hanger-thin Flappers. That's when legacy pledges start showing up at Skull & Bones and other college fraternities with vials of their doctor and dentist and pharmacist dads' War Surplus cocaine to share with the sorority girls at jazz parties, where the music is also cocaine-fueled. Read Fitzgerald's first novel.
And so on...
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 27, 2020 21:28:08 GMT -6
Agan, there's no reason to think the glasses found in the Tate house any connection of any kind to Dr Ohta. Anything is possible, but...
But in any case, the rash of "suicides" in the Ohta case is certainly ineresting.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 27, 2020 21:25:10 GMT -6
Good questions, all. That will be explored in detail soon. The short answer is, I think Fleet Jr's real job in Boulder was keeping a firm eye on the Ramseys. Around the clock. He had no other formal employment with any company. He just leeched onto the Ramseys morning noon and night. Long story short.
In Boulder, Fleet Jr and family lived in a pretty modest little house--very, very close to the Ramsey mansion.
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