|
|
Post by karis on Nov 3, 2020 9:25:00 GMT -6
We have no evidence (as of now) that anyone besides the victims and the 3 small boys were in that house that night. In all this "new" information that has been put on dmac's facebook page it still has not brought to light a match to anyone else. We do know that Sheila Sharp's fingerprint is on the light bulb, but that doesn't make her a murderer, or does it? Who knows. Don Stoy said in 1994, "despite the 200 pieces of evidence we have, we have been unable to positively link them to any suspects." And that evidence has since been rechecked. In another article (which i could not find quickly) it is said the blood matched the victims with the exception of some that were (?) untestable (i will look that back up).
Anyway, we have no evidence that we have seen pointing to anyone. But someone else had to have been involved, no matter what your theory is.
Gary Mollath's sister Lynette owned Keddie until her murder in 1978 in Piedmont, Ca. According to the FRB on July 23, 1980 Gary petitioned the court for administrator of her estate.
Gary was looked into because he, like Steve, had a sister that was murdered.
From the Keddie files:
Investigators [name withheld] and I went to the Piedmont Police Department and met with Det. [name withheld] regarding a similar homicide that occurred in their city in 1978. The victim, Lynette M., is the sister of Gary M. who currently owns the Keddie Resort. There were several similarities in the way that the victim died and the way that Glen [sic], John and Dana died.
The Piedmont Police Department case file indicates that the victim lived in her parent's house with her parents and her brother Gary. The parents were out of town. Gary was the last person to see the victim alive and the person who discovered her body. It appears that Gary left her at home and had gone to have lunch with some other relatives. Gary had left the residence at around noon and when he returned at around 1700 hours he discovered the body. The crime scene photos indicate that the victim's nude body was lying at the foot of a staircase with her throat cut. She also had several stab wounds to the upper chest and some bruising about the neck. Her body was lying on a curtain that had been torn down from the window but she was not bound. I reviewed the ME report and found that the wound to her throat was much wider and deeper than the wound to Glena's [sic] throat. The location, however, was almost identical. The report also indicated that there was no evidence of sexual assault.
The scene that the M. residence had evidence of ransacking but nothing was missing. The investigators believed that a burglary was staged by the suspect(s) with no signs of forced entry. The victim had a large dog that was said to be protective and not stranger friendly. The dog had no injuries or any other indicators that it may have been involved in protecting her owner during the attack or protecting the residence during the ransacking. The weapon used to murder the victim was a butcher knife that had been taken from the kitchen but had been washed by the suspect(s) and left in the dish drainer by the kitchen sink.
I also learned that she was a graduate of Quincy High School. After the graduation her father moved her back to Piedmont to get her out of that environment. After moving back to Piedmont, the victim was reported to be a quiet modest girl that didn't go out much.
After reviewing the case in Piedmont we determined there could be a link between our case and theirs. The Piedmont investigators and I agree that we need to establish the common denominator between the two cases. Piedmont has requested a list of names from our case to see if anyone from our area has had any contact with their agency or any dealings with the victim's family.
Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can.~~~~~
Lynette's murder : unsolved Kathy Howards murder : unsolved The Keddie Murders : unsolved
|
|
|
|
Post by johnreno on Nov 3, 2020 1:20:39 GMT -6
I would add that i don’t think he was focused on much of anything, much less killing anyone.
|
|
|
|
Post by snoho17 on Nov 2, 2020 21:52:32 GMT -6
COMPTON, RAYNARD
Spang said he & Dana made deal with him to sell LSD, he was at party in MV, denied
<STOY>
|
|
|
|
Post by poweranni on Nov 2, 2020 21:23:32 GMT -6
You are right so many motives.
Sue was in the process of divorce and dating other men.
Tina had been molested by Daniel French but if you read the report she clearly knew what to do to get the ice cream money even taking the change back to him when she and the other little girl got home (French went along with them for the ice cream then to his house) plus a week later when the police called the Sharp house Tina wasn't there she was once again down the road at the little girls house - seemingly no concern that the guy who supposedly molested her lived in that same trailer park. She was street smart just like Joel Lipsey said and he knew. She may have been shy at school but no doubt people in Keddie knew her. Steve L (one of the top suspects in 1986 and dorm student at the time) claimed she talked to him about some man following Sheila. Why would Tina just out of the blue have a conversation with him about her sister??? Certainly didn't happen while she waited in line at the Keddie Store. William Avery said at 7:00pm on the night of the murders Tina came to his house to pick up Greg who had been playing with his son no mention of anyone walking with her at 7:00pm on a Saturday night in that little cesspool - but she obviously was no stranger to rambling around.
Johnny was out of Sue's control according to Nancy Davis. Uncle Don may have found it hard to tell the truth about him but Nancy didn't. He had a week old black eye at the time of the murders and had ran away from home about a month before the murders - and was free to roam around Quincy all day Saturday into the night - and had probably been roaming since the night before when he stayed at the Meeks house. There was just no supervision
Dana was troubled and living in the receiving home. Don and Pat Dorris seem to have been good honest people but they had kids of their own while taking in troubled kids and the FRB had a couple of articles about the neighbors complaining the kids were not being watched carefully. These kids were coming and going there just like they were at their own troubled homes. Dana, according to his own father, was about to be moved to a more "secure" home. He just seemed to have few boundaries, just like Johnny and Tina. Not to mention that a girl in Quincy had a baby by him a short time before the murder (not sure if he knew it or saw the child).
They had problems that made for good motives but I don't believe 4 different people came into the cabin and killed them individually. And I don't believe 3-6 people were in the cabin or even in Keddie watching out or involved in the murders. These people, like myself, were not that important. I respectfully disagree with you on any of this as motives. These are more like circumstances leading to them being murdered. I'll explain: Basically these people were out and about and getting in trouble in minor ways which places them more at risk for being in the wrong place and the wrong time. Like, imagine what would have happened to Dana that evening, had he been tucked into his own bed, reading a book ... And how would the incident have played out, had Sue spent the evening with her kids watching PBS and baking cookies, locked the doors and gone to bed at a decent hour? All of the kids at home and in their own beds? I have said on here before, that to me it seems like whoever did this, was primarily after Tina. Someone from just outside the community is driving around and spots Tina looking neglected and vulnerable and cases her situation. Figures out where she lives etc. Unaware that she has 4 other siblings. His buddy is after the mom. They probably plan a rape and an abduction or a rape of both but it goes South. And the teen boys walk in. That is my general theory. Had Sue and her kids paid attention more and led a lower risk lifestyle none of this would have happened. Lester the Molester would have had to take it elsewhere. |
|
|
|
Post by poweranni on Nov 2, 2020 19:59:24 GMT -6
|
|
|
|
Post by poweranni on Nov 2, 2020 18:51:51 GMT -6
I am saying that behavior falls into a pattern. People don't own and run rental properties by day and brutally murder their tenents and their offspring, by night. Unless, of course, it fits into a larger pattern of behavior. by all accounts, Gary was not the most ambitious of “landlords.” He was appointed to the job (at 24?) by his parents and let the Albins run the thing. Not sure he was focused on much of anything much less restoring keddie to its former glory. Fine ... But the issue is, was he in cabin 28 at the moment that the murders took place? My hunch is probably not. For lack of motive. |
|
|
|
Post by Admin Horan on Nov 2, 2020 16:46:00 GMT -6
Good. That clears that up. Only 10,000 more vague "leads" to go. That we know of. So far.
Here's what we know that IS interesting. So far:
1. Mark Rosen, of the Venice Beach house where Zero saw the Light, with Bill Vance in attendance, knew the Sinatra kids and Linkletter kids very well. Well enough to kidnap Frank, Jr.
2. On July 15, 1969, Diane Linkletter's brother-in-law John Zweyer was Zeroed while lounging next to his own swimming pool.
3. October 1ish 1969 Diane Linkletter [apparently] fingered her "friend" Ed Durston for Tate, then promptly flew out the kitchen window. Briefly. Murder? Suicide? Ask Zero. Better yet, ask Durston. He was there, in the kitchen, waving her goodbye as she "proceeded out the window."
4. Years later, Durston would wave Freddy DeCordova babe Carol Wayne goodbye as her corpse drifted out to sea.
5. Robert Linkletter's name is on a multibillion dollar patent for a "childproof" cap for medicine bottles. That may or may not have something to do with the Tylenol tampering/poisoning case.
6. Yet another crazy broad named Marie Vigil wrote letters to anyone who would read them (and a lot of people who wouldn't) linking the Linkletter (sorry. That one slipped out) kids to...the kidnapping of a school bus in Chowchilla and the wipeout of the Dr Ohta family. Among other crimes. Including, oh, Zodiac. Supposedly, this Ohta made glasses for the Zodiac Killer and he (Zodiac. Not Ohta) left them at the Tate house. Even though those glasses very, very, very probably belonged to Steven Parent.
7. Now, here's the funny part: Said crazy broad (Vigil, to be specific) claimed that "Zodiac" looked exactly like John Linley Frazier (who went over for the Ohta family wipeout) and that Frazier and Zodiac acted as "body doubles" for one another. Funny, because there IS a very, very, very good suspect in the Tate wipeout who DID look exactly like Frazier--"Karate Dave" Lipsett (may or may not be his real name. Natch.) Was Frazier/Karate Dave the "Zodiac Killer?" Does the pope shit in his hat?
8. Oh. I almost forgot. That bus kidnapping? Involved ANOTHER troubled rich kid, Frederick Woods IV. Boy, is HIS family interesting...
9. Anyhoo, supposably, this Woods IV was part of a gang/"cult" consisting of lots of rich kids. Kids who match the personality profiles of Mark Rosen, Diane Linkletter, Abigail Folger, Will Rogers Jr, Frank Sinatra Jr, Patty Hearst...
|
|
|
|
Post by elantric on Nov 2, 2020 11:25:33 GMT -6
Sooooooooooo....was Sharon (Linkletter) Melcher married to Terry Melcher or Gordon Melcher (not related to Terry) - who you mentioned she was married to in the Marjorie Cameron thread?
Your posts in that thread:
Post by Admin Horan on Jul 28, 2020 at 3:16pm
Nope. He was married to Jacqueline Carlin. Who also married Chevy Chase. Sharon Linkletter married a Gordon G Melcher.
Jul 28, 2020 18:25:50 GMT -5 Admin Horan said:
No, it's a totally different clan of Melchers, believe it or not. No connection.
I can find zero evidence Sharon Linkletter married Terry Melcher |
|
Omega
Full Member
Posts: 121
|
Post by Omega on Nov 2, 2020 10:59:45 GMT -6
Sooooooooooo....was Sharon (Linkletter) Melcher married to Terry Melcher or Gordon Melcher (not related to Terry) - who you mentioned she was married to in the Marjorie Cameron thread?
Your posts in that thread:
Post by Admin Horan on Jul 28, 2020 at 3:16pm
Nope. He was married to Jacqueline Carlin. Who also married Chevy Chase. Sharon Linkletter married a Gordon G Melcher.
Jul 28, 2020 18:25:50 GMT -5 Admin Horan said:
No, it's a totally different clan of Melchers, believe it or not. No connection.
|
|
|
|
Post by Admin Horan on Nov 2, 2020 10:24:32 GMT -6
So?
PS I forgot to mention that, remember--Mae Brussell ALSO claimed that the Linkletters had something to do with Zodiac. Which I need to look into someday real soon. And the poooooooooooooossible tie-in to the Tylenol poisoning case...
|
|
Omega
Full Member
Posts: 121
|
Post by Omega on Nov 2, 2020 10:00:09 GMT -6
From Jack Johnson:
Below is UPI's news release of the 1980 car accident that took Robert Linkletters life. It states the family planned to ask the court to assign Bob's sister "Sharon Melcher" as executor of her dead brothers estate. And if you were wondering , yes Sharon Linkletter had married record producer Terry Melcher who recorded Charles Manson.www.upi.com/Archives/1980/10/08/Art-Linkletters-35-year-old-son-killed-last-month-in-a/4104339825600/In my statement posted above I wrote about Bob Linkletter being the Zodiac and his sister Sharon's marriage to Terry Melcher the son of Doris Day and Manson's record producer.
I thought we had gone over Sharon Melcher's relationships previously in earlier posts in the Marjorie Cameron thread?
|
|
|
|
Post by Admin Horan on Nov 2, 2020 9:11:57 GMT -6
Carson was nothing. It was ALL Fred DeCordova. He had more blackmail on Hollyweird--including Johnny Carson--than anybody else ever had or ever will have. DeCordova made BIG show biz people get on their knees and BEG to be on the show. And he didn't always say yes. Not even Sinatra could just come on the Tonight Show any time he wanted.
|
|
|
|
Post by Admin Horan on Nov 2, 2020 9:00:57 GMT -6
From Jack Johnson: I just recently found out that there has been a story floating around for years that Art Linkletter's son Robert Linkletter was the "Zodiac" killer. Now whether that's true is another story but with all the books, movies, radio shows about the case I have never heard that allegation if only to debunk it. They said Bob Linkletter was at the Tate home along with his sister Diane Linkletter and left his glasses. Diane Linkletter was said to have jumped out her apartment window 2 months or so after the Tate killings. A Hollywood actor Ed Durston was in the apartment with Diane and Ed is said to have been considered a prime suspect in the Tate/Labianca murders and was questioned over several days by LAPD. Ed would later go on in the 1970's to produce hardcore gay porn and one of the actors in his "Manhole" gay porn movie would also be cast in a Clint Eastwood 1976 movie "Enforcer" which was based on the Zodiac character. The gay porn movie Manhole appeared once at it's NYC opening and was pulled and never seen again.
Below is UPI's news release of the 1980 car accident that took Robert Linkletters life. It states the family planned to ask the court to assign Bob's sister "Sharon Melcher" as executor of her dead brothers estate. And if you were wondering , yes Sharon Linkletter had married record producer Terry Melcher who recorded Charles Manson.www.upi.com/Archives/1980/10/08/Art-Linkletters-35-year-old-son-killed-last-month-in-a/4104339825600/In my statement posted above I wrote about Bob Linkletter being the Zodiac and his sister Sharon's marriage to Terry Melcher the son of Doris Day and Manson's record producer. I also mention an actor Ed Durston. Look at this Johnny Carson episode of the TS. His guest is Doris Day and seated to Day's right is Carol Wayne who Ed Durston is suspected of murdering while in Mexico in 1986.
At the 6:16 minute mark Johnny Carson mentions his producer Freddy deCordova. As a side note Cordova's wife was the benefactor to Michelle Phillips of the Moma's and Pappas which included Mansonites John Phillips and Mama Cass Elliot. The de Cordova family are sephardic jews residing in Jamaica and they are one of the leading financial and political family's of Jamaica. In 1980 the de Cordova family got into the jamaican marijuana export business in a big way. One of there employees is C W singer Willie Nelson. If you watch Willie and his boys from the mid 1970's into the 1980's they often sport yellow T-shirts emblazoned with the word JAMAICA. Those in the know understand the message.
Terry Melchers father (Doris Day's husband) Martin Melcher practiced the occult Christian Science
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science
From Wiki:
Melcher died on April 20, 1968. According to Day's 1975 autobiography, Melcher's physician informed her that Melcher suffered from an enlarged heart. Melcher practiced Christian Science and elected not to seek medical intervention until his condition deteriorated.
Doris Day would sue her and husband Martin Melcher's lawyer Jerome B. Rosenthal. Mr. Rosenthal's brother was notorious mobster/gambler from Chicago Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal who was portrayed in the movie Casino by Robert De niro.
Look at Rosenthal's obituary from Y2008. There is no mention of family just a refutation of Day's charges of the miscue of his fiduciary obligation to Doris Day. It cost his insurers $6 million.
www.legacy.com/obituaries/latimes/obituary.aspx?n=jerome-bernard-rosenthal&pid=107026040
1980 local news report
Doc Anderson, Doris Days personal psychic
Quote from DD
Doris Day blatantly stated: “From the very beginning I thought the concept of sins and sinning was repugnant.” As evidenced by Day’s belief system, this concept invariably leads to the espousal of New Age philosophy, which militates against the doctrines of Christianity. She related her idea of God as being identical to that of the occult:
“I feel that God is my very being and God is the life of everything around me. So I don’t have to seek God. He’s right here. I don’t pray. I just realize God.” |
|
Omega
Full Member
Posts: 121
|
Post by Omega on Oct 31, 2020 15:13:50 GMT -6
Since it is Halloween, and the subject of poltergeists was brought up on the Professor's YouTube podcast today, it should be noted that the real life case in 1958 that inspired the original 1982 Steven Spielberg movie "Poltergeist, is only a short distance away from the Amityville Horror house (about 5+ miles/ 15 minutes away) Here are the specifics on the Poltergeist house in Seaford, Long Island:
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
|
|
|
|
Post by Admin Horan on Oct 31, 2020 8:25:49 GMT -6
Bruce Davis is a very interesting character. He was NOT the so-called "Zodiac Killer." Is there a link between Manson and Zodiac? Maybe. Is it Davis? Nope. Is he a born-again Christian? You have to have a conscience to be a Christian (by definition) and he and Manson and Atkins and van Houten and Berkowitz and Dahmer and Defeo, Jr and nearly all the rest of our subjects literally do not have a conscience. They are sociopaths. They are literally the people "Jesus" talks about when he says, "They honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me." Etc. They don't have hearts. Only lips. It's not their fault, but they don't have hearts to change. They could be Buddhists, I suppose. You are supposed to extinguish your heart to reach Nirvana. They could be Scientologists. Scientology is pretty much career self-help for sociopaths. It's hilarious to read and hear about people breezing their way through all the levels of "auditing" in the Scientology hierarchy. Yeah. You're a sociopath. By definition, you have no feelings to show up as "readings" on the e-meter. You never did. That's the real "test" of Scientology. If you're a sociopath, you're a Thetan. Very, very few normal people get very far in Scientology. They can't. For a normal person to completely dissociate themselves from their conscience requires the development of a massive neurosis (called "dissociation," coincidentally enough) that "scientists" like Ewen Cameron and Jolyon West were trying to create deliberately. They failed. But they did, apparently, let loose some sociopaths on society in order to document the results.
|
|
