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Post by johnreno on Nov 8, 2020 22:49:54 GMT -6
It also feels like Marty may have been using the incident to buy some time re the car loan. Playing up the family crisis, etc.
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Post by hope on Nov 8, 2020 22:37:35 GMT -6
I think that is an excellent theory John. It covers just about everything. There was obviously quite a drug problem in the area and I can't believe the number of pedophiles around. It's not hard to believe someone involved with drugs could also have pedophilic tendencies. With all the talk of parties in keddie that night the boys could have ran into some people they knew as they came home. I also consider what Admin Horan said about Dana possibly being a narc. I can see that as a definite possibility as well.
And yes, it would be easy to control a terrified girl & have her help. In regards to the young boys, I couldn't imagine going through that as a child and hiding in the closet is what I think most kids would do. And being told to stay in the room, don't say anything and Tina will make it home safe. But then I think if they saw/knew the people they would have said more either while Tina was still missing or years later (that is one of the reasons I tend to lean towards something happening involving Tina, I could see all 3 boys covering for Tina if they thought she was involved). But....perhaps the perps made Tina go into the boys room & tell them to stay there, be quiet, everything will be ok. Not knowing what really happened, just that Tina left with the perps and hoping she would make it home one day as long they kept quiet.
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Post by kmik on Nov 8, 2020 22:23:48 GMT -6
I don't know anything about Marty's children or if they all stayed with their mother when he left them but what I do know is regardless of how many he had he referred to his "4" children at the beginning of the letter. The love letter is only about how he had treated Marilyn's kids better than she had treated his and he had given up his kids for her love but now she had left him because he was jealous of her but for what he had given up (his kids) he should be jealous. No doubt he was resentful of what he had done for her - yet he still wanted her back.
It is a gigantic stretch to say the letter was about murder because neither Sue, Johnny, Tina, or Dana were his "flesh and blood" nor "four of the most precious things in his life".
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Post by hope on Nov 8, 2020 22:09:56 GMT -6
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Post by james1983 on Nov 8, 2020 21:58:51 GMT -6
Professor. I forgot to add that the quartered circle (crosshair symbol. Zodiac symbol) is a symbol that represents Malkuth. Just google quartered circle Malkuth, or Malkuth symbol
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Post by hope on Nov 8, 2020 21:54:59 GMT -6
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Post by james1983 on Nov 8, 2020 21:35:46 GMT -6
One female victim was dumped behind the Oakland coliseum. Sorry
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Post by james1983 on Nov 8, 2020 21:34:30 GMT -6
Here's the rest of my notes. The attorneys for the defendants and the judge were the only ones I didn't do research on. The whole case was a farce, and so was the trial. Well over 100 victims were attributed to the Nation of Islam during this time.
Stanford campus victim stabbed 14 times
Female victim hacked and dumped behind Oakland
Meetings held in the lost of black self help moving. Owner of the moving company Tom Manney owned The black Cadillac used during the murders. The 32 beretta was thought to have been bought by Manney from Moo Moo. The moving company was a business that was used to employ black Muslims after they were released from prison. They were cutting up bodies at black self help. The group held meeting in the loft of the business building where they were indoctrinated by Nation of Islam preachers to kill as many whites as possible to earn their "death angel wings". A white man was 1 point. A white woman was 2 points, and a white child or baby was 3 points. It took 9 points to earn the wings.
Laurence Kaufman was supposedly selected at random for Anthony Harris Jr. Attorney Irving Hurd. Of coarse the attorneys were fishy.
Harris confessed and talked with the police and Mayer Alioto in his office
Minister John Muhammad and Joseph X polite visited all three killers
Anthony Harris Jr one of the killers, and the one who called the police and confessed was placed in pacific state hospital at 14. Later he was sent to Patton state hospital
Judge of the case was Joseph Karesh
Jim Jones backed Art Agnos at one time. Agnos was elected to the California state assembly in 1976 by defeating Harvey milk.
Victim Frances Rose university of California extension student
Victim Saleem Erakat Muslim store owner
Victim Thomas Rainwater from Ojai California Salvation Army cadet who just returned from a two week evangelism campaign in Phoenix and Tucson Arizona with captain Alfred Van Cleef. Ojai is the home of the krotona institute of theosophy, and the theosophical society of Ojai valley. Krotona is the west coast headquarters.
Victim Ward Anderson assigned on a geological survey vessel
Detective Coreris used his own description to make the Zebra sketches, not victims or witnesses because no one could give a certain description. The sketch was made by police, not witnesses.
William booth founder of the Salvation Army was a Freemason. Seen in countless pictures giving the hidden hand Masonic sign where one hand is hidden under the coat over the chest.
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Post by james1983 on Nov 8, 2020 21:06:01 GMT -6
Drew Ali was a member of the Moorish Science temple of America, and was also Shriner. The Moorish temple helped Nation of Islam form. Louis Farrakhan is a member of Prince Hall Masonry, and was the spokesman of the Nation of Islam during the zebra murders
Early years of American masonry one black "clandestine" (non affiliated) lodge was looked in each state.
Farrakhan was in Newark NJ when Malcolm X was killed by members of a Newark Mosque
Malaak Shabazz (daughter of Malcolm X) claims Farrakhan, CIA, and FBI killed her father
By STEPHEN BRAUN MARCH 24, 199512 AM TIMES STAFF WRITER MINNEAPOLIS — A federal informant testified Thursday that FBI agents promised him a $45,000 stipend to pose as a hit man and expose an alleged plot by Qubilah Shabazz, daughter of Malcolm X, to kill Nation of Islam minister Louis Farrakhan
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Post by johnreno on Nov 8, 2020 20:59:56 GMT -6
I haven’t formed a start to finish timeline, but I’m inclined to believe there were 2 attackers from outside the home, one with a drug connection to Dana, and another with a great propensity to violence and/or rape. The drug connection perhaps being the “brains of the outfit,” and his partner “the muscle.” This is at odds with the profiler, who describes Tina’s abductor as having a fatherly love for her. According to the forensic archaeologist, she didn’t last long in the company of her “protector.” And if she did help pull up cords and such, I could see her being willing to do everything she was told, especially if Dana was already dead or dying on the floor. The cushion under his head could even have been used as a prop for the killer to demonstrate he could be compassionate if obeyed.
Similarly, if the young boys were simply scared into submission and ordered to stay quiet in bed with the promise that everything would be ok in the morning, I think they would comply (and do whatever they needed to do to cope emotionally). The idea that boys of that age would take heroic action to confront adult murderers or risk their lives by screaming for help doesn’t work for me.
I agree with the idea that there was not a plan to kill at the outset. I think there may have been a confrontation about drugs/money, and at some point the “muscle” partner went too far and clubbed Dana in the head (maybe just a bit too hard). Chaos ensued, and between the physical conflict and the snowballing severity of the crime, escalated quickly. If Dana was dead or incapacitated early on, and the situation is controlled by the shock and threat of more death, the attackers could now move to tying up the “witnesses.” Tina may have even been told this was necessary so as to “make a clean getaway.” Anything to get these guys out of the house. But once John and Sue are tied up, anything goes. Already dirty, the “brains,” though possibly remorseful and overwhelmed, is in no position to argue or help and is himself now at the mercy of the loose cannon. Once the killing is done, Tina is taken as a prize, to be used and done away with at Camp 18.
And on that cheery note, I’ll pass the talking stick.
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Post by james1983 on Nov 8, 2020 20:56:51 GMT -6
Victim Richard Hague was a mining engineer for Utah International company. Utah built the Cheyanne mountain complex and minuteman missile hardened silos in the 1960s while Hague was employed there.
Victim Quita Hague was a reporter for the industrial city press
Cornelius J Moynihan father of victim Neal Moynihan was an auditor for the state of California's workmans comp department
Tana Smith secretary in the scientific development division of the Bechtel corporation
Jane Holly worked for Wells Fargo for 15 years. Husband George a Grey line tour guide. son was 23 stationed at fort still Oklahoma army. Murdered while husband was at a Masonic lodge meeting.
Roxanne McMillan from the Schumacher family of South Dakota
Interesting is Dick Walley who helped work the case and convince police of the whole Nation of Islam angle died of cancer just before the trial. Walley worked directly under Evelle Younger
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Post by james1983 on Nov 8, 2020 20:51:06 GMT -6
I forgot to add that Jonathan May was in the house while Nelson shields 4 was shot. May was a cancer researcher from the university of California. I doubt it's related, but who knows. I thought it was important enough to add to the notes while reading the book lol
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Post by james1983 on Nov 8, 2020 20:46:12 GMT -6
The 32 Berreta was traced to Peter David Puppo a United States Air Force medic stationed at McCord Air Force base. He was living in a religious commune in Albion California
Puppo said he gave it to Bradley Eugene Bishop he was convicted for selling dangerous drugs and was wanted in Marin county for the same crime. The gun ended up with a Somoan man named Moo Moo Tooa, who died of a heart attack shortly after police tried to get him to tell them who he sold the gun to.
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Post by james1983 on Nov 8, 2020 20:44:29 GMT -6
another victim was Art Agnos who survived the shooting. Agnos was working to build a hospital in the area where he was shot. Agnos knew and worked with Jim Jones, and later became Mayor of San Francisco.
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Post by james1983 on Nov 8, 2020 20:34:09 GMT -6
Another victim was Paul Dancik. Dancik was just let out of prison, and given a "wad of cash" when he was let out. Dancik was on the lookout for drugs after he was let out, and after striking out a couple times ran across a man named "Luther G" who lived with two woman who were his wives. Luther gave Paul a number for a dealer, and Paul went to call him on the payphone outside Luthers apartment building. As Paul was about to call, someone came up behind him and killed him.
A man named Eduardo Abdi was supposedly on his way to use the same phone. Abdi claimed to be only 8 feet away as Dancik was shot, he claimed not to have been seen by the shooter and his accomplice who both stood now 10 feet away. Imagine that, only 10 feet away and unobserved by the two "suspects". When police arrived they questioned Abdi, When asked if he knew Dancik Abdi said " sure. We were working a case together". When asked what case Abdi said " I can't say any more". Abdi was the one who gave police the description of two black men and what they were supposedly wearing. Right after the brief questioning Abdi weaved into the crowd and disappeared.
Later before the trial the prosecution tried tracking down Abdi to question him further. They finally found him in Albuquerque New Mexico, he was an "itinerant preacher" who followed the migrant crop workers, and preached to them in the field. The prosecution determined Abdi was crazy and "let his imagination take over" lol.
Eduardo is a Spanish name while Abdi is Arabic meaning servant of god. To me Paul Dancik was an obvious informant, and Abdi was more than likely also. Abdi could have easily killed Paul Dancik himself.
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