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Post by kmik on Nov 21, 2020 23:31:54 GMT -6
A big deal has been made over Doug Thomas having kept files of the case but (and please correct me if I'm wrong) didn't Josh say that, while talking to Doug during the filming, he told them he still had some files but would not let them look at them?
I don't find it odd at all that he had files or kept up with the case but I do believe it was said that somebody still had files, and I believe it was Doug Thomas - but I could be wrong. I question anyone handing over a box full of files to Dmac and not the police - plus shouldn't anything of Doug's have been given to his children - whether they wanted it or not - to do as they pleased? Seems to me somebody was hoping this would put DT in a bad light but I see it as having quite the opposite effect.
And all that VIDOCQ talk that was supposed to take place in 2018??
Keddie28 FB Page
December 31,2017:
From Victoria's 2018 Plumas News series on the murders:
Keddie Cabin 28 Murders Case- Keddie28 FB Page
February 22, 2019:
Keddie Cabin 28 Murders Case- Keddie28
November 5, 2019:
From Keddie28 forum 2020
If I'm reading all of this correctly according to a December 2017 Keddie28 FB post Mike was going to meet with VIDOCQ in February 2018. Then the April 27, 2018 Plumas News article, Gamberg told Victoria the meeting is now scheduled for September 2018 THEN in a February 22, 2019 post Dmac writes to name the worst thing that could happened to the Keddie case next month (so by this I'm now assuming that Gamberg was to be cut from the PCSO in March 2019).
Okay well he was still working as of September 2018 so what does March 2019 have to do with not meeting with Vidocq in Septermber 2018? Financial issues? Well according to the news article Gamberg said they were paying for his expenses to Philadelphia. No LE No Vidocq? Well Good Lord if he would have gone in February 2018 or September 2018 he would have had 6 months to work with Vidocq and gather more information so that by March 2019 the PCSO would have been more than happy to keep him - or at the very least hand the case over to another investigator.
6 Person's of Interest, batten down the hatches, I'm headed off to Vidocq in Feb no Sept. Listen we've heard it all: Mike couldn't find the love letter for 3 years, and he couldn't find the 911 tape for 3 years, he didn't know Doug Thomas first name, he didn't know Sheila's print was on a bulb, etc.................but he found the letter and he found the tape and he waded out into the Keddie Pond to retrieve a rusty hammer just in time for the ID Show and People Magazine article.
*Special thanks to a friend for making the Vidocq post possible
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Post by mysteriouscourtier on Nov 21, 2020 17:30:06 GMT -6
Thanks! This is another case with a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide gap between the actual facts, and the popular story of the case. To summarize what we need to re-think about this case: 1. Charles Ng is facing a basket of death sentences after a trial where the prosecution presented even less evidence to the jury than in the Manson case. In fact, they presented zero evidence of any kind. At least Tex and Krenwinkel left fingerprints, if non bloody prints, at the Tate house. Ng was convicted on NOTHING but a horror story backed up with ZERO evidence. Does that mean he's innocent? Not necessarily. But it's not the same thing as proving him guilty, either. And one possible reason for not having any evidence to present at trial is that the evidence incriminated other people in addition to Ng and Lake. 2. There is NO actual evidence that Lake ever actually made any actual "snuff" videos and films. Are there excuses for this lack of evidence? Naturally. Is that the same thing as evidence? Nope. Did he make BDSM porn? Apparently. Did that include "simulated" murder? Most definitely. Has anyone seen one, single, solitary frame of actual murder actually taking place on camera? Nope. 3. There is no real doubt that Lake grew pot and procured weapons for the Hells Angels. What about kiddie porn and snuff films? There is no doubt Lake's WIFE engaged in producing kiddie porn, and involved Leonard in this. But here is the crucial question--if Lake PRODUCED child and snuff porn, then WHO BOUGHT IT? You can't sell tomatoes unless SOMEONE BUYS THEM. There are plenty of reasons to think the Hells Angels also distributed this material. Okay. To WHOM? 4. There's no doubt that the woman from next door on the famous video was murdered, along with her husband and small son. SOUNDS of that murder, and possibly torture, can supposedly be heard on that tape. But I'll say it again--that MIGHT have been a "simulation." No actual physical torture or murder takes place on camera. Only off-screen noises. The actual murder could have taken place later. We just. Don't. Know. 5. Leonard's wife AND mother were "protected" from prosecution. Why? Was it because they KNEW WHO THE CUSTOMERS WERE? I'll say it again--you can't accuse someone of selling oranges to zero customers. No buyers; no sellers. Who were the buyers? 6. As in ALL these cases, an ACCURATE, COMPLETE victim background profile is absolutely necessary. And again, the backgrounds and profiles of ALL these victims turns out to be far more interesting than the popular story. Far more. Laid out quite clearly. thanks. The eternal fascination with 'snuff', been going strong all my life. The definition seems confusing. If it is simply, a deliberate killing on film/ photos, there could be lots of stuff that would qualify; war correspondent film, public executions, organized crime news clips. I think of "snuff", then, as scenes of sexual torture and the eventual murder of that victim. I'm not saying that's 'right', just more specific. Pornography produced for commercial distribution, including child sexual abuse images before they were specifically outlawed (in US anyway), from 1950's to 1995, there are no documented cases of snuff as far as I know. Lots of rumor, hearsay, some personal 'testimony' of questionable validity ala Vern Plumlee. After 1995? That period is of particular concern to me, because there are sexual images of me as a young teen during that era, which were published commercially in some series titled "Golden Boys". I have come across discussion about porn from that era, where people are claiming all the child 'models" were ultimately tortured & murdered on film. Obviously, that can't be true, because...I'm still here. People who believe in 'historic' child snuff don't want to know that, and can be rudely hypocritical; professing great concern about hypothetical child porn snuff victims but callously calling ME a liar or a pedo-protector or similar slander. Hey, I'm one of those victims - but now you don't care? (That's ok, actually, 'cause I don't care what they think, either) On youtube, there's a very misleading old UK TV documentary titled; "Boy Business", about CSA images produced of young boys during that time. It begins with a youngish man, supposedly claimed to have 'infiltrated' the UK diaspora pedo colony in Amsterdam and witnessed "real" child snuff. He says that he has no motivation for lying or misleading about this. That's not accurate, however, because he IS one of the Amsterdam porn tourists busted with copies of "The Bjorn Tape' and other similar illegal materials, named in a series of Nick Davies articles about all of those horrors. His named altered for the broadcast, and all their names altered in Davies' article, but he is one of the men trying to trade 'secret snuff info' for dropped charges at that time. People there wouldn't have been showing him what he claims to have seen- if he was 'just' an adult Gay porn tourist. www.nickdavies.net/category/child-abuse/ Snuff 'testimonialists' like this man, are sometimes sincere but lacking a full understanding of the facts about specific videos. Sometimes, for whatever reason, they are grand-standing liars. At least one of the films this man says he was shown, is apparently well known to persons in the UK (and europe) who have had the horrific duty to view and sort through freshly seized images. I've been told, a boy who appears to get "choked out" in it, IS a tragic child abduction & murder victim (UK), whose POS kidnappers filmed their sexual torture of him. However, this boy died many hours after the filming - in their vehicle - and that was not filmed. Thank God! Clips & images of a CSA victim which appear in the first half of this documentary, are of "Bjorn" from "the Bjorn tape" and clearly identified as that, in it. At one time, European police investigators though Bjorn was likely a real snuff victim. But he was eventually found very much alive by Dutch Police. All this is also detailed in Nick Davies' articles. Did pedo pervert Peter Scully really murder a girl on film? I don't know. Scully did produce some horrific child sexual torture material though, apparently. Including something titled "Daisy's Destruction", which he is rumored to have marketed for as much as $10,000 per copy! I don't know if that's really true, but i can say that the inevitable depreciation of it's value didn't take very long - the same value crash that would certainly happen to any real child snuff materials. Someone gave pedo pervert Matthew Graham a copy of it, and because pervs don't really give a sh*t about hypothetical "collector" value of CSA images, he immediately blasted it out to all the pervs ion his "community", for free! www.smh.com.au/national/melbourne-hurtcore-paedophile-master-matthew-graham-outed-as-lux-20150909-gjiuga.html |
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Post by mysteriouscourtier on Nov 21, 2020 13:34:27 GMT -6
"What a joy, to be comprehended!"--Abraham "Save The Union, but Abolish Labor Unions!" Lincoln, Esq. I keep telling people Anton "LaVey" was NOT a "Satanist." But they don't want to hear that. Oh, there are Satanists, but he wasn't one. Hubbard wasn't a Scientologist. Mary Ann "DeGrimston" MacLean is not, and never was, a "Processean." Stephen King doesn't believe in ghosts, vampires, or even ESP. "You don't have to read encyclopedias to sell 'em." --Roy "Rubberman" Munson. But, one wonders if the Hand of Death was perhaps an early incarnation (get it?) of the Matamoros. And then, there's Israel Keyes and Philip Arthur Thompson. Apparently, they were allowed to pursue their "hobbies" in exchange for performing certain services for the DEA, CIA, and others. So, suppose there was a "Hand of Death" gang. Suppose Henry Lee Lucas did dirty work for them. That doesn't rule out getting his jollies on other victims on his own time. Richard Ramirez was mentored by a Green Beret cousin, Miguel Ramirez, who initiated young Richard into Miguel's own hobbies. Albert Anastasia murdered people for fun, as well as for the mafia. That's why they hired him. Suppose you needed someone, anyone, a commie, or a chisler, or anybody, interrogated, or done away with? Who ARE you gonna call? Mister Rogers? Touche, and a tip of the hat, Prof. Moran Anton LeVay was a self-professed satanist, that does make him a satanist, but not a theistic satanist professing "the reality and power of Satan". Not like Lawrence Pazder's fantasy satanists, waging eternal spiritual warfare against their hated enemy Jesus, despite knowing The Lord will ultimately prevail as scripture fortells, going around turning crucifixes upside-down in hope of inflicting a pinch of spiritual "points of damage" on the supposed Creator of the Universe. LeVay was a philosophic satanist, and his philosophy was closer to Crowley's extreme individualism. "There is no God, but man" - Aleister Crowley. Who would I call? Good question. Who did the Cia call? Sam Giancana and his professional hitmen? George White and his Corsicans? Serious professionals in any case. I'd hope to NOT rely on killers so psychotic, or brain-damaged in the womb, or simply careless and stupid that they HAVE to get caught eventually. And when they are, these nuts leaving a sloppy trail of bodies wherever they go, they'd spill every detail of their crimes not only to police investigators but to anyone interested in writing about them for the press. A bit more discretion & professionalism, I'd hope for. |
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Post by poppyseedy on Nov 21, 2020 11:41:38 GMT -6
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Post by Admin Horan on Nov 21, 2020 9:24:36 GMT -6
"What a joy, to be comprehended!"--Abraham "Save The Union, but Abolish Labor Unions!" Lincoln, Esq.
I keep telling people Anton "LaVey" was NOT a "Satanist." But they don't want to hear that. Oh, there are Satanists, but he wasn't one. Hubbard wasn't a Scientologist. Mary Ann "DeGrimston" MacLean is not, and never was, a "Processean." Stephen King doesn't believe in ghosts, vampires, or even ESP. "You don't have to read encyclopedias to sell 'em." --Roy "Rubberman" Munson.
But, one wonders if the Hand of Death was perhaps an early incarnation (get it?) of the Matamoros. And then, there's Israel Keyes and Philip Arthur Thompson. Apparently, they were allowed to pursue their "hobbies" in exchange for performing certain services for the DEA, CIA, and others. So, suppose there was a "Hand of Death" gang. Suppose Henry Lee Lucas did dirty work for them. That doesn't rule out getting his jollies on other victims on his own time. Richard Ramirez was mentored by a Green Beret cousin, Miguel Ramirez, who initiated young Richard into Miguel's own hobbies. Albert Anastasia murdered people for fun, as well as for the mafia. That's why they hired him.
Suppose you needed someone, anyone, a commie, or a chisler, or anybody, interrogated, or done away with? Who ARE you gonna call? Mister Rogers?
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Post by Admin Horan on Nov 21, 2020 9:07:09 GMT -6
Hmmmmmmm....
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Post by mysteriouscourtier on Nov 21, 2020 9:02:51 GMT -6
That's the problem I'm trying to fight--"That's good enough for me." Well, it's NOT good enough. How would you like to be on trial for 12 counts of capital murder, be convicted, then sentenced to death, on no actual evidence whatsoever? I didn't say I could prove Charles Ng "innocent." But that's not the same thing as proving he's guilty of eleven murders. Are he and Leonard Lake the most obvious and best suspects? Of course. But, where's the evidence? It sure as shit ain't on those tapes. And those tapes were the ONLY "evidence" presented at his trial. And it isn't only that. There is this myth of "snuff films" no one has ever seen. THIS was the ONLY trial in which supposed "bona fide snuff films" were presented as "evidence." But they're not "snuff films." They are, at best, SIMULATED snuff films. And there was NO OTHER EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND--not even garbage "testimony" like Susan Atkins--to otherwise show that Charles Ng had ever murdered anybody. And we're talking about the most expensive manhunt and trial in history. No evidence. Of any kind. If something is true, it can be proven. So, why is there no PROOF that Charles Ng murdered someone? On or off camera? Oh, there's endless hours of horror show TV and newspaper and magazine coverage. Just like Manson. Just like Son of Sam. Just like some of these other cases. And it turns out that's not the only thing this "case" has in common with those cases. If you don't feel like hashing out the evidence, and lack thereof, in this or any case, then don't waste space commenting on that particular thread. I couldn't give half a rat's ass for what people "believe." I am only interested in evidence. Great, informative posts in this thread - thank you! |
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Post by mysteriouscourtier on Nov 21, 2020 5:43:59 GMT -6
But the biggest indication that the Hand of Death was real is how closely Lucas's story of how he was inducted into the cult parallels the story of Thomas Creech. Creech is a serial killer on death row in Idaho right now, and the way his case unfolded was similar to Lucas. Initially arrested on suspicion for a double murder, he soon began confessing to a lot more killings around the country, and claiming that he did many of them while in a satanic cult and/or as murder-for-hire. His confessions actually allowed police to find several bodies, with about 9 of his reported killings being officially confirmed by law enforcement. And I have to find the original source, but I have come across a claim that Maury Terry once said on a radio broadcast that he linked Creech to the same Process cult network behind Son of Sam. What is most significant in the linked Oui article about Creech is his story of how he first got recruited into this web of performing deeds for organized crime: By the way, this heroin operation went to the very top according to Creech, with Colorado Senator Gary Hart as well as Colorado Governor John Love and Ohio Governor John Gilligan being three big names implicated in it. Creech even claimed he was on his way to Denver to fulfill a contract on Hart's life when he got arrested in Idaho, and this is backed up by initial reports saying that an informant had told authorities Creech was coming to Denver to kill Hart. Hart's campaign for Senate was managed by Hal Haddon, a political kingmaker in the state of Colorado whose firm's clients have included JonBenet Ramsey's parents, Rockwell International Corporation (in the case against them for environmental violations at Rocky Flats nuclear plant), Hunter Thompson, Hamburg cell associate and Saudi elite Homaidan al-Turki, and Ghislaine Maxwell. Do you have any police investigator reports, for Thomas Creech and his alleged confessions? Or alternative sources for his satanic cult claims? There is a contradictory claim on Murderpedia; "Members of his jury were unimpressed, and Creech was convicted on two counts of first degree murder on October 23, 1975. State law made the death penalty automatic, and he was formally sentenced to hang on March 25, 1976. Investigation of Creech's confessions, meanwhile, listed his verified victims as Gordon Stanton and Charles Miller, killed near Las Vegas; Sandra Ramsamoog, 19, of Salem, Oregon; William Dean, in Portland, Oregon; Riogley McKenzie, murdered outside Baggs, Wyoming; Vivian Robinson, of Sacramento, California; and Paul Schrader, age 70, in Tucson, Arizona. Creech gave directions to alleged Satanic ritual sites near San Diego, Seattle, and Missoula, Montana, but authorities describe the solid evidence as negative in each case. As with Henry Lucas a decade later, many of Creech's confessions remain impossible to verify or disprove" From that Oui article; "Tom Creech was introduced to LaVey by Angel, and he attended two Church of Satan rituals in late 1966. Tom was enormously impressed by LaVey and became a firm believer in the reality of Satan and Satan's powers" That's odd, because LeVay was NOT "a believer in the reality of Satan and Satan's powers". Church of Satan was specifically non-theistic, i.e., it's an (admittedly anti-Christian) "philosophy" that masquarades as a 'church', because American laws allow that. You don't have to profess belief in a deity, and LeVay did not - neither Christ-Jehovah nor Satan as a supernatural opposite Deity to them. Later, when Creech is quoted talking about attending ritual sacrifices circa 1974, for which he supposedly supplied multiple victims, he says; "The victims wore robes 'so their Karma wouldn't be released' ", is a nonsensical claim. There's just no such concern expressed in any of the popular culture satanism mythologies, that I'm aware of. Also; "sometimes the ritual called for beheading". What ritual? Was it ever published? Can anyone cite & quote this 'ritual' that "calls for beheading"? Can't imagine a "satanic" rationalization-justification for that. The purpose is...what? But Creech was allegedly involved with criminal biker gangs, and in communities where such 1%-ers control the street-walker prostitution trade, it's not unheard of that some women end up murdered and dumped by them. God knows, there's been a terrible & tragic slaughter of sex trade workers in North America over the last 70 years or so. Mostly younger women, but also some men and boys. Many of these deaths, attributed to one or another 'serial killer' as we know, but certainly not all of them. I could understand, if Creech had contracts to pick up, murder, hack apart and dispose of "problematic" ladies on behalf of his biker gang buddies. And who knows, they might be sick & twisted enough to put such victims through some parody of a ritual sacrifice that they invented, "just for yucks", along the way. This sorry excuse for a human, Robert Pickton, alleged to have biker gang connections, and to have slaughtered 49+ women involved in the sex trade. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton |
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Post by poppyseedy on Nov 20, 2020 19:03:00 GMT -6
never heard of them before, very interesting. this topic is the real nuts and bolts of the whole thing. after christmas i can write a thing about something very similar, nothing new, but rarely heard of these days, and vital to so much of what is wrong in the world.
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Post by poppyseedy on Nov 20, 2020 18:56:44 GMT -6
www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/hnckn0/umaxwellhill_the_reddit_account_with_the_8th_most/ this 'power mod' (maxwellhill) was the end all and be all on reddit duringthe early days and rode high in the saddle until the exact day mizz ghizz was 'arrested' . its not a hundy proven yet, but looks f'cking dead on. mizz ghizz's siblings )twins i think) seem to own or be involved with the people who;s hard drives housed the internet in the 90s, and reddit came out of this 'scene'. people bitch and moan about twitter but i find twitter WAY less devious and unhealthy than reddit - twtitter is a billion idiots shouting 'ME! ME! ME!' into the void, whreas reddit is a billion idiots shouting 'WE! WE! WE!' - it is insidious how the current modelo virus situation 'spread' across reddit. pretty disgusting and there in plain view for the unwatching world. and to top it all off its owned and run by ghizzraeli super-spy globo-pimps!
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Post by elantric on Nov 20, 2020 18:44:49 GMT -6
"Carlo Marcello: The Man Behind the JFK Assassination"
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Post by elantric on Nov 20, 2020 9:18:55 GMT -6
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Post by hope on Nov 20, 2020 7:34:55 GMT -6
Thank you kmik for always finding a way to word things so they make perfect sense : )
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Post by Admin Horan on Nov 19, 2020 23:14:05 GMT -6
I'm not wasting space on people arguing just to hear themselves argue. ESPECIALLY anonymous posters.
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Post by Admin Horan on Nov 19, 2020 23:12:21 GMT -6
If you insist on wasting space just arguing to hear yourself arguing, I'm going to delete those posts.
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