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Post by kmik on Apr 12, 2019 21:35:13 GMT -6
Today is the 38th anniversary of the murders.
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Post by kay on May 9, 2019 20:51:23 GMT -6
The whole alysa dating Dana thing makes me scratch my head a little, because in an interview Sheila had said the reason they didn’t want Tina to stay the night that night was because they wanted it to just be them for a change and they wanted to have girl talk and she mentioned that alysa has thought her brother johnny was cute. Another thing I recently thought of that i haven’t seen much discussion about was their funerals. The only thing I have ever seen was Sheila saying that their dad attended. Correct me if I’m wrong, but in a lot of cases don’t police and investigators pay attention to people who attend and pay attention to people Incase they are acting suspicious or guilty? I’ve heard of that happening, also if Marty or Marilyn attended.
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Post by kmik on May 10, 2019 19:25:02 GMT -6
You know Kay it would be nice if somebody, in all the years this case has been on the forums, would have posted about the memorial service (and you know lots of people attended regardless of if they knew them or not). I believe I remember Glenna Meeks saying she spoke at Sue's service and I remember Justin stating in a hypnotizing session that he attended the funeral (I'm guessing Sue and Johnny's at least). If he attended and Glenna attended then I would think that Marilyn did also since she was Justin's mother and was staying with Glenna Meeks. Whether Marty did or not I do not know.
I would also like to think that in all the years these forums have been around that somebody, anybody, would have come forward that was friends with Tina to talk about her- it's almost as if she was completely forgotten. But certainly somebody knew her.
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Post by kay on May 11, 2019 14:44:20 GMT -6
That’s so odd that no one really spoke much about the memorial service. But I agree, I mean clearly Tina had some friends there despite not living there for long. No one at her school spoke about her? No one in the neighborhood spoke about her besides her disappearance and that she was molested? Come on now, someone or something has to get these people to talk. About anything.
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Post by kmik on May 11, 2019 17:38:47 GMT -6
Oh there’s zero doubt in my mind that people who knew her did talk to the police in 1981. No one besides the Meeks and Sheila have ever really talked about her on the forums and even then it was very little. But in their defense nobody ever really questioned them about Tina all anybody ever wanted to know was about Marty Smartt.
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Post by kay on May 26, 2019 21:20:54 GMT -6
I have been reading more and more on the case and this forum, and I still have a few questions that maybe some of you can answer or tell me that no one has the answer to. 1) Was Sheila dating the man who made the documentary? If they were, could that have been a reason he didn’t question her too much on some of the shaky things she had said?
2) Was Tina’s bloody jacket ever listed as evidence, or was that denied?
3) Did Marilyn ever comment on the theory that Tina was pregnant by Marty?
4) If it is true that Justin walked around the murder site and left shoe prints, why was he wearing his shoes? If he was sleeping and woke up to them happening, why would he have his shoes on?
Sorry if these have all been answered but I have looked and haven’t found anything on these questions other than Dmac yelling at people for asking them.
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Post by kmik on May 26, 2019 22:37:21 GMT -6
Kay these are just my answers so somebody else might be able to offer something more or different.
1. To my knowledge Sheila and Josh Hancock never dated. According to an old post found by Karis, Sheila's cousin is the one who put Josh onto this case. So yes him being asked to look at it by a family member and then becoming friendly enough to get their involvement in the documentary certainly drew lines for him that he didn't cross. Sheila even told that Josh asked her permission before releasing the report on Tina being pregnant and Marty possibly being the father. This is possibly why he never released Sheila, Ricky, or Greg's interview with police. He gave bits of Sheila's on the documentary (so he had the entire interview) and he released the tape of Ricky that cut off (but we know by statements on the timeline that the police had a written interview of Ricky).
2. Tina's jacket was listed as missing from the cabin and a dress was found under the cabin of 28 but to my knowledge the bloody jacket story was from Marilyn's imagination or confusion. If a bloody jacket was found in the basement of 26 at the time of the murders I'd be willing to bet the police would have felt they had hit pay dirt.
3. We have never read Marilyn's interview with police (just a report). That story came from Kathy Beckley and so much suspicion surrounds what she knew and didn't tell in 1981 - in my opinion- that I'd put about as much weight in that story as the hammer that was found in the Keddie pond in 2016.
4. We have no idea if Justin's shoe prints were in the crime scene - and for all we know they looked at everyone's shoes. Ricky told on the documentary walk through that he left 28 with his pajamas (and I'm assuming that's because he was wearing them).
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Post by Admin Horan on May 27, 2019 5:15:45 GMT -6
Kay--that's a good question about Justin's shoes...something to keep in mind...
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Post by kay on May 27, 2019 17:48:32 GMT -6
If they weren’t Justin’s shoes, there was one footprint that the only shoe that was even similar to it was Dana’s. Maybe he did break free right before he died, or walked around in it. That could be a reason his binding was broken and Justin saying he saw Dana walking as if he was drunk, although Justin isn’t the most believable person unfortunately.
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Post by kmik on May 27, 2019 19:11:02 GMT -6
Yes it's hard to know what to believe with Justin. I haven't seen a footprint in the photos that we have but Marilyn said on the documentary that the police took his tennis shoes because they said there was evidence that he had walked through the scene on those tennis shoes. Josh said Doug Thomas didn't remember anything about Justin's shoes. Do I think it's possible he did walk through the scene yes I do since he claimed to have tried to stop the bleeding on Sue's chest but why would he have been wearing his shoes unless he was somehow involved. But since we have no report on that it's hard to say if any of that happened.
I do believe Dana came to because his bindings were broken and he was found on his stomach as if he stood up or tried to stand and either was knocked down or fell down on his own - falling on his stomach.
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Post by Admin Horan on May 31, 2019 5:46:27 GMT -6
Also keep in mind that the tape on Dana's bindings may have been broken when his body was moved.
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Post by kmik on May 31, 2019 13:38:57 GMT -6
That is true! But what do we have that indicates that Dana was moved? Are you going by the lividity?
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Post by Admin Horan on May 31, 2019 19:40:15 GMT -6
Well Dana was dead some time before Johnny's throat was cut, so he was definitely laid onto the cushion. Dana's throat was not cut, suggesting they were interrupted, most likely by Sue coming out of the bedroom. And the lividity certainly shows he was dead in a sitting position for an hour or so.
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Post by kay on May 31, 2019 19:42:40 GMT -6
What are your guys’s thoughts on the body’s being staged, and then being moved (possibly by Justin or someone else) hours after? Going off of how Sue was places with what looks like her legs open. Some people believe that they made it look more sexual, possibly with Dana or just on her own, but was moved and then the sheet was placed over her. I’d love to hear what you all think of that.
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Post by karis on Jun 1, 2019 6:26:39 GMT -6
Kay I am not sure about the staging. I has been said that the bodies were staged. I have added John Douglas's report on the murders, maybe that might help you. There is no date on this report so I am not sure when it was written, but it was probably soon after the crimes. Since I am not a criminal expert I just go by what the experts said in their reports.
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