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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 20, 2016 11:45:04 GMT -6
Supposedly, Josh Hancock "acquired" a pretty big pile of documents from the Plumas County Sheriff's Office, but he has not "published" them. Some of them have showed up on Dmac's website keddie28.com/ but these seem far from complete, and access to these documents is erratically controlled. So, on this thread, we will attempt to gather all known, available PCSO documents, and discuss them. First off, I'm interested in two documents in particular. The first one is the famous pair of composite sketches. Here's what we "know" about it: On May 21, 1981, Plumas County officials released the pair of sketches to the media, with the explanation that the two men are NOT considered suspects, but only persons who were seen in Keddie on April 11 and who hopefully have useful information. Here's what we've been TOLD about it: Josh Hancock SAYS he has a report that he supposedly transcribed: Jose C. was interviewed on 4-22-81 at 1400 hrs by Agents Leonard and Marinovich at Quincy High School.
Last week Richard Meeks and Mike H. said that Justin's father committed the murders and Bo (no further i.d.) was involved. They said Justin spent the night at the victims' house and was in the bedroom with the younger boys. Justin got up and witnessed the murders. The police hypnotized Justin and obtained a sketch of the responsibles. One was Justin's father. Also, Bo has Tina somewhere.Correct me if I'm wrong, but Josh and "dmac" (Amd everyone else) seem to have concluded that this MUST be a reference to the sketch released on May 21. My questions at this time are: 1. Has anyone SEEN this report quoted by Josh? 2. Can WE see it here? 3. Has anyone seen the ORIGINAL PCSO docs related to the Actual Sketch? Can WE see it?
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Post by jmo on Oct 9, 2017 10:28:02 GMT -6
These composites have always bothered me. Why didn't they investigate the two guys that were seen acting crazy and driving a white car? There were reports that Dana had some interaction with them (hollering?) at the gas station. So much information on them but because Martin Smartt saw them at the back door, dmac concluded that Martin did the murders. WTH? They left Keddie with one of the girls from Quincy and nobody could find them? I repeat WTH? We have the make and model of the white car. I wish this investigation would have started with them.
Man # 1 Justin says: Short hair. Neat. Straight. No part. Combed back. Black glasses. Gold ring gold frame. Lenses black and brown. Mustache, Jean Jacket. No Belt. Roundish nose. No point. Black cowboy boots. Round toes. Had pocket knife. Hammer. 24-32. 5'6". Bigger than Johnny. Smaller than Dana. Man stabbed Sue. Ran away. Justin looked under the sheet at Sue. Man # 2 Justin says: Long brown hair. Past ears. Half way down his neck. Curly at ends. Same glasses as man # 1. Flat nose. No beard. No mustache. Couldn't see any sideburns. Blue jeans. Marked army boots. Green. Kind of like a hiking boot. Like waffle stompers. 30. **At 11:15 pm on 4-11 two men knock on Margo B's door at FRC #208. Looking for JR. Geramie RJ. She says they have a wild look. Man # 1 is short with a mustache. Man # 2 is tall and clean shaven. **At 11:30 Frank A. saw three people walking towards Keddie. Past his house. 2 in front. Short. One in back 6'. 11:30 Lights off at Sue's. Jan A. Les H. 3 am: Thomas C. 2 WMA. Driving older white Ford sedan. County Annex Road next to Gary's Flower Garden. Acting intoxicated or high. He'd seen them at FRC softball field asking for some "blow". Driving white older Ford sedan. Man # 1: Thomas C. says: Mexican. 5'11". Wore glasses. Slender. Short sideburns. Thick, wide, dark mustache. Black greased back hair. Combed straight back. Ears showing. Blue jean jacket. Blue jean bell pants. Thick black belt with silver buckle. 2 rings. Thick soled, logging type boots. Man # 2 Thomas C. says: Blonde, greasy shoulder length hair. Combed behind his ears. Silver earing left ear. Reflective glasses. Green army jacket. White tank top. Baggy blue jeans. No belt. He smoked.
It drives me crazy that people think the man outside the bar is Dee. Dee (at the time) had a huge orange (yes, orange) mustache. Just because someone was seen in a "green army jacket" that turned into Dee in his camo.
I believe:
1. Craig dropped the boys off in his little tan car and drove off. 2. Spang needs to be looked at again. Creeper. 3. Justin is the one that screwed up the crime scene. 4. The "fight" (more like loud hollering--He said, "You C!" and Sue said, "You B!") was between Sue and her Avery looking ex-husband. He knew everywhere she was. 5. Someone called dear ole dad from Sue's phone. (Just because he has an alibi, doesn't mean he wasn't involved. Isn't that how "hits" work for crying out loud?) 6. MMB had nothing to do with this crime. 7. LE were in over their heads and LE agencies don't work together like we all think they should. 8. Gam is humoring David with his silly theories that don't hold water. Why? He's trying to stay away from David's wrath and he's not doing this for free, you know. 9. This case is so much simpler than what it has been made out to be. 10. The murderers didn't bring a "kill kit". That is just creating drama for drama's sake.
And, I think I picked a great user name because all of this is JMO. :-) Is there somewhere in particular I can post some questions?
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Post by kmik on Oct 9, 2017 12:01:21 GMT -6
JMO, feel free to post questions where ever you feel they should be and Tom can move them around if he thinks he should. Could not agree more with 6-10!! And yes there are plenty of people who could and should be looked at. Karl S. was somebody who was somewhere with no good explanation as to why which wouldn't stand out if he hadn't of claimed to have known Tina, Sue, Johnny, and Dana and claimed to have driven by 28 that night looking hard enough to see the outside light burning.
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Post by kmik on Oct 9, 2017 12:31:05 GMT -6
I would like to add that we don't know any of these people. But from what we have read Dee Lake seemed to be a guy who liked to help people - not help someone cover up a murder. To think that he helped a guy, he'd only known a few months, take the body of a child and hide it far away is crazy. Dmac continues to harass these people that have no known connection to these murders in the hopes they will come on his forum to defend themselves so he can twist anything they say around. How many more people from Keddie and Quincy do you think he's gonna weave into these murders? He, along with Aus Girl and Princess, have led many people down a mafia fairy tale pig trial. We actually thought somebody on his forum might some day come to their senses and question his "theory".
We've little doubt as to why Mike G pretends to be his buddy.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 23, 2017 15:29:05 GMT -6
My only responses to jmo (welcome to the board!) would be: 1. I don't think LE necessarily did that bad of a job, because we don't really have access to all their files. But that's only a "hunch." 2. Remember, Justin changed his "description," especially of Suspect 2, in his second "hypnosis" session. In that description, #2 is blonde. Blonde hairs were found clutched in Johnny's hand. That's important, because, as mentioned elsewhere, CARY Walke (brother of Chuck Walke) is blonde--and he looked (and still looks) EXACTLY like the sketch of Supect #2. Also, a man named "Gary" is mentioned once as a suspect, but that obviously could be Cary. And Cary Walke is a convicted pedophile. And if my hunch is correct that we have not seen all the "real" files, that might logically include the files concerning Cary Walke. Furthermore, Cary's stepsister supposedly died 20 years ago (obituary and everything,) but I have found her--and she's very much alive. She won't talk to me, but she's alive, all right. And Chuck has a bizarre connection to Jim Sealbolt, Sr. Last but not least, Chuck himself describes himself as having a very suspicious reaction to being on a tour of the crime scene. 3. I agree that I see zero evidence of preplanning. I think a "party" slid into an argument of some kind that went too far.
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Post by jmo on Oct 23, 2017 23:19:24 GMT -6
I don't think LE necessarily did that bad of a job either. Not buying the whole conspiracy thing. Were they in over their heads? Hell to the yes. Without a doubt. LE has trouble working with other LE. Everyone wants to be a hero. It's horrible. Not every city perhaps....but small towns? Another hell to the yes. Sheriff Departments and Police Departments are VERY separate even if they're housed under the same roof. Now, imagine bringing in other agencies and you have a royal (insert favorite word here). Many of them must have been frustrated to the max. It's too bad. But, it is what it is.
I don't hold Justin to anything....not that I don't believe anything he says. I just don't believe EVERYTHING he says. I tend to think the light brown could have been dirty blonde. From what I understand, 1 white "hair like" (strand) was found in his hand. I could be wrong. But, whether it's blonde hair or 1 white hair like strand...idk. I would need to look at the autopy report again. I just got back from a trip and I haven't even unpacked. But, I would suggest going and getting a roll of pipe tape and experiment tearing it, cutting it, etc. It's interesting stuff. Not quite medical tape. Not quite plastic. Easy to come by and....well....I'd be a hard one to convince they (ooooo big bad Marde and his big bad friend BO) brought a "kill kit". We were led to believe there were yards and yards and rolls and rolls of "tape" used. Not true. Two different knots is interesting. And, the gags. Gagging someone isn't for weak stomachs so who actually COULD do that (part)? Did Sue have dentures?
I'd definately be looking at Walkes. If it came out that they did it, I don't think I'd even raise my eyebrows. I think Spang should be questioned. Not that I think he did it (?) or had any part in it (?) but that guy had eyeballs everywhere that night. It's odd. JMO. Don't leave me hanging on his sister's story. lol At least throw me a name. Best nugget I've read in a while. :-) So much of this is rehash and retell that it makes my brain bleed. And, what's this about Chuck having a connection to Seabolt? Wowza. Now's the time to share! I have a friend that thinks he's sketchy as hell and I can't quite get there....BTW, have you been able to find the elusive "My Ex, Jim"? These people are all so strange I can't even wrap my brain around them. And, Chuck's "tour"? WTH? In the picture of (idk Shanks?) and that kid looking at the wall....was that Chuck? Who was it? Why was he there? He looked awfully young to be "IN" looking at the crime scene. Always wondered who was in that picture. Anyone know? What does "suspicious reaction" mean? Interesting. You have my attention.
I (may I burn in hell) thought Tina or Justin may have shot Sue in a fit of rage. Doesn't take much to set off a teenager. You all can just scroll on past that if you want. But, say a fight occurred, Tina shot Sue and took off? Pretty sure she'd just keep right on going... js
What was with the side glances Sheila's brother gives her? He looks like he's (afraid?) of her? She says they never talked about it? Really?? Only one reason for that and, I don't think it was to protect HIM. I want to believe this didn't start and end with an arguement between "the girls" but someone is protecting someone and it sure s**t isn't LE protecting Marde's, Dee's, and Bo's backs. Now, David knows for a fact that Bo's father is....OMG... Does it ever end??? SMDH
If it's PROVEN (rigghttt....) that they did it? I'll eat the wool socks right off my feet. In the meantime, I wouldn't mind a little Walke and Seabolt talk.
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Post by jmo on Oct 23, 2017 23:40:14 GMT -6
Caught up on the tape, on the dorsal and on the ventral surface of the
hands as well as within the palms of both hands are multiple hairs or
hair—like structures, generally light tan in color, sometimes somewhat
brown in color, and in one instance one of the hair—like structures is
whitish in color.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 28, 2017 9:58:46 GMT -6
jmo: Well, in real life, police departments usually cooperate pretty well. One notorious exception was LA in the 1980s, as exposed by the Richard Ramirez case, where different DIVISIONS within LAPD refused to even listen to the detective who kept trying to tell people they had a very active serial killer on their hands. Sheriff Doug Thomas (a carpetbagger who resigned from the Plumas job that summer) IMMEDIATELY called in CA Dept of Justice, and they sent in a real A Team. I think they have a better case against a better suspect, but are willing (or even encouraging) the speculation about Martin because A it gets the media off their back and B technically, it's against the law to leak real evidence in an open case.
Having said that, there was (and I suppose still is) a TERRIBLE problem in Plumas County LE--plain old sticky fingered corruption. In my experience, when certain police officers have "trouble" locating witnesses, evidence, etc, it's because that witness, etc will expose SOMETHING ELSE, even if it's not directly related to the case. The Hells Angels have always been very busy in that county. IF Johnny and his friends really were ripping off drug dealers, the HA would have done something about that, pronto. And it's crystal clear that PLumas LE tend to give HA a pretty free hand in that county. And they traffic kids right along with narcotics and weapons. When that Tammy Jo Huntsman was arrested in Quincy, her entire route across Northern California was no coincidence. Chico, Burney Falls, Quincy...and the particular houses where she stayed (and was finally caught) was no coincidence, either. Tina Sharp's neighbor, her special ed teacher, one of the deputies (later sheriff) who investigated her case, a prime suspect (Cary Walke) AND HER OWN FATHER are ALL convicted pedophiles. But again, DOJ were involved before noon on Sunday April 12, so...
It's not like there are two dozen gangs operating side-by-side in that area. Nowadays, the Mexican cartels have muscled in on the HA's territories to some extent, but in 1981, there was ONE mob who ran narcotics, kids, and weapons in, out, and through Plumas County, and routinely (it's part of their initiation) murder people who get in their way--the Oakland Chapter (Sonny Barger, et al) of the Hells Angels. They had a clubhouse in East Quincy, known as "the Yellow House" (not the actual color of the house) that was supposedly robbed of a large quantity of acid that weekend. The behavior inside Cabin 28 looks like the killers were on acid or meth or something.
But I don't think that's what happened. Based on the available evidence, I think Dana (who was recently put on probation) was "narcing" as a condition of his probation. That's why he made such a big effort of befriending Johnny. I think Johnny and/or his "friends" were hinky from the start. I think what happened in Cabin 28 was a "party" that turned into an "interrogation" game that went off the tracks. But even if I'm more or less "right," the POSSIBLE involvement of HA or crooked officers would be enough to chill certain areas of the investigation.
Last but not least, apart from "corruption," just because LE "know" who committed a murder doesn't mean they go right out and arrest them. And even if they arrest that person, that doesn't mean they'll always charge that person with that particular murder.
Now, back to your excellent post of the quotes from the autopsy report--the ME prudently refrains from jumping to a conclusion about the "hair-like" hairs in Johnny's hands. Sooooooo, where IS the state lab report on those fibers? Where is the toxicology report? Etc etc etc? See what I mean? We only have access to SOME of the files. And it's crystal clear that these "timelines" all have serious problems when it comes to the most important details.
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Post by jmo on Oct 30, 2017 0:17:56 GMT -6
Haha Yep. I'm surprised that D's site is still up and running. Ain't nobody feeding him inside information. That's just goofy. Not to mention against the law. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the small town Sheriff/Police thing. I'm hoping it's better in larger towns and cities. DT: Love him or hate him, I think he did the right thing by throwing out a cry for help ASAP. Yikes. Hell's Angels. Don't mind me when I take about 4 steps back. If they have any involvement at all in this COLOR ME GONE. haha The only indication we have of an "outside" job is the two guys driving the white car that a half dozen people reported. NO FOLLOW UP ON THAT AT ALL. Why? Did nobody want to touch them with a ten foot pole? There's a huge difference between sketchy people and outright SCARY people. Just so we are clear (not you and me ~ just me and anyone else that will need to have Dmac's private parts surgically removed from them) I do NOT believe in any conspiracy theory. If others want to call it corruption, so be it. I don't think it was. Everyone was trying their best on this case. Was their best good enough? Nah. But conspiracy? Nah. What they all were doing in their private lives...Not interested. Unless, of course, it has to do with this case. Solve the murder and all that other stuff will fall into place. Or not. I feel like I'm (what? a bad person?) to speak the truth. This is just another murder case to me. Interesting as all of hell. Am I going to sleep every night wondering if I can solve it? Nope. Do I think of it in some aspect everyday? Yassssss. Wouldn't it just be a surprise to everyone if LE charged someone OUT OF THE BLUE with this crime? Like everyone is looking a Dead Man Marde on the left and all of a sudden OUT OF THE BLUE comes XXXX on the right. I'd buy a flight ticket just to have a drink with Dmac. And, if he's right? I'd buy him a nice stiff one. I'm just not holding my breath. It's hard to work a case when you only have a fraction of information.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 30, 2017 9:53:01 GMT -6
jmo: In my experience, when an informant gets killed, the case is rarely "solved," for the simple reason that, if an informant is killed "in the line of duty," the family can sue the PD. It's SOP everywhere for first-time losers to get probation--in exchange for cooperation. I'll bet credits to Navy beans Dana was working as an informant, specifically targeting Johnny and his "friends." When Dana ended up dead, so did the investigation. Why? Motive. The motive would have to be discussed in court. Also, in waaaayyyyy too many cases, it's the parole officer or some other official who RATS OUT THE INFORMANT and sets them up to be killed.
Dana's PO told police he saw Dana hitchhiking that night--a violation of his probation. That is, the PO admitted they saw Dana violating his parole and DIDN'T PICK HIM UP. A couple hours later, he's brutally murdered. That's really, really grounds for a lawsuit. It's kind of like the FBI shredding files showing that they whiffed on keeping track of Oswald--it doesn't prove they conspired with Oswald to kill Kennedy, or even with Ruby to kill Oswald. They just covered up, after it was over, their potential liability for failing to stop it. SOP.
Oh, one more thing--99.99 percent of all such "cooperation" deals are technically ILLEGAL. In very rare cases, defendants can be given immunity from prosecution when they testify against another defendant--but that immunity applies ONLY to the SPECIFIC crimes they testify about--legally, there is NO "blanket immunity." In practice, how it works is, an undercover "detective" or their superior goes to another detective and says, "Hey, you're butting into an undercover operation. We'll take it from here." And that's that. Hands washed. But that's NOT an official, let alone legal, "deal." Any "deal" is strictly between the cop and the perp. And those are striiiiiiiictly "handshake" deals.
Sooooooooooo, does that point to someone like HA bumping Dana? Weeeeelllllll, why not just pick him (and whoever else) up hitching, then DRIVE THEM TO THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE and then bump him off? Just no reason for someone as smart, if ruthless, as the HA doing something as idiotically risky as what happened in Cabin 28. I think most likely that Johnny (and a friend or two) immediately suspected Dana, invited him to a "party" to interrogate him, and then things got out of hand, sloppy, and generally FUBAR. And since Dana was an informant, etc, etc, etc ...
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Post by jmo on Nov 3, 2017 21:45:49 GMT -6
If I was going to interrogate Dana, I wouldn't bring him to my house. Maybe pop him around outside and idk....bloody his lip or give him a black eye...but, I wouldn't bring him to my Mom's where my brothers were sleeping. That leads us to believe others were involved, either hiding out in the house prior to their arrival, coming in with the boys (Johnny's "friends" or "acquaintances" WHO), or busting in while the boys were chillaxing (maybe waiting to see if they could sneak out of the house that night).
With all of this family's meanderings that day/night why go INTO the house. Why that night in particular? Were they asked in?
Everytime I hear the word "scissors" Phillip becomes more credible. He said, "Somebody told me to hand them scissors". It sounds like truth. Can someone post Phillip's statement?
Who owned the "Yellow House"?
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Post by kmik on Nov 4, 2017 9:38:35 GMT -6
The strange story of Phillip
Postby jhancock » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:09 pm
Cabin 28: The Keddie Murders Part II covers two confessions to the homicides: one in which the confessor provided accurate details, time frames and motive; and another in which the confessor provided almost no details at all. However, these weren't the only suspicious people connected to the Keddie Murders. One of these people that the documentary does not cover is a young man named Phillip.
The following documents describe Phillip's connection to the Keddie Murders:
Document One:
4-13-81. I contacted Joel F.H. who works for Sierra Center Liquors. Joel said he had been working at the liquor store around noon on 4-12-81 and had see a young Indian male in front of the store, and he had been naming the people that had been killed. That had been some two to three hours before he had heard anything about it on the radio, and thought it strange. The subject was ID'd later as Phillip, when I contacted the store owner, Keith N.
Document Two:
On April 29th, 1981, I was working as a radio dispatcher. At approximately 1410 hours I monitored a conversation between Phillip and his mother, who was visiting him. Due to radio transmissions and phone calls, I did not hear the entire conversation. I heard Phillip tell his mother than he was in the house when it happened. His mother said, "Phillip, you're hallucinating, you were in church that night." Phillip said when he left the church he went there with Marty Smartt and two other guys. He spoke of Tina being there. He said, "Someone asked me to hand him the scissors and I did." Phillip said, "Maybe I should be hypnotized," and his mother replied, "No, don't do that." Phillip said that afterward he ran to the Back Door Bar and tried to tell someone who was coming out the door, then he just ran.
Document Three:
On 5-1-81, Phillip was interviewed at the sheriff's office.
On 4-11-81 Phllip was at Feather River College, in a fairly intoxicated state. About 2100 hrs Wade M. gave him a ride to the Methodist Church. After being there for an undetermined time, he decided to go to the Exxon Mini-Mart. While at Exxon he met up with Johnny and Dana. They were getting a ride from three people in a pick-up. The pick-up was described as between a 1954 and 1957 Chev., dark green with something similar to a roll bar in the back. He said one of the men was named Marty Smartt, and lived at the end of the road in Keddie. He owns a small red station wagon (this matches the description of Marty Smartt). Phillip did not know the other two men. After arriving in Keddie, Phillip said that while looking through a window of the Sharp residence he saw Johnny get his throat cut, Dana get hit over the head with a hammer, and Sue being choaked [sic]. Phillip said that at one point he ran to the Keddie Back Door Bar where he saw a man that was locking up the bar. He tried to tell the man what was happening. The man got into a blue car that looked like a Mercedes, and drove away. Phillip returned to the Sharp residence to try to help Tina. At one time he was hiding under the house and he scratched the license number from the pick-up onto the hot water heater. Phillip told of a long fight that ended up at Ganser Airport, where he got away. The three men still had Tina.
On 5-1-81, Sgt. Stoy checked the hot water heater under the Sharp residence. No license number was scratched on it.
On 5-4-81 I telephone Jack B., who locked up the Back Door Bar on the night of 4-11-81. He said no one tried to talk to him as he was leaving the bar. Jack said he might have been driving a bluish silver Mercedes on the night of 4-11-81. He drives a lot of different cars, and was trying to sell a Mercedes around 4-11-81. He said he would check his records to see if he could determine when he was driving the Mercedes.
Document Four:
Interview: Trisha D.P. 5/19/81. I contacted Trisha at Quincy High School regarding her friendship and possible knowledge of Dana Wingate. Joey C. had told me that Dana had dated Trisha. Trisha told me that she had gone out with Dana for about two weeks last September, but she didn't know if he was involved with drugs. Trisha said she never knew Dana to get into fights. I asked Trisha about Phillip and she said he used to come to her house and she did not like him. Trisha said that Phillip could be mean when he was drunk which was most of the time. Trisha also said that Phillip did not like Dana because Dana was taking out Trisha. Trisha did say that rumors said Tina hated her mom. She did not have much information at all.
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Post by Admin Horan on Nov 4, 2017 10:29:00 GMT -6
A couple of weeks or so after April 11, Phillip ("Chief") was arrested for climbing in a girl's window and attempting to assault her. A behavior he seems to have shared with Cary Walke. I wonder if anyone showed the composite sketches to Phillip, and did he recognize either of them? By the time the sketch was released to the public in late May, he was already in jail. Before Phillip was arrested, Justin had said suspect #2 had long, dark hair. By the time of the second hypnosis session, he had changed that to long, blond hair. But it's possible no one told Phillip that. So, he may have assumed that sketch #2 couldn't be Cary, and never heard that the suspect may have blonde, after all--and so never identified Cary. IF he had been willing to do so.
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Post by jmo on Mar 2, 2018 22:20:16 GMT -6
SUE'S BROTHER: WHO called him?
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 3, 2018 11:24:58 GMT -6
Zactly.
And--the Dorrises said that Donna Williams called them Sunday morning, and they said that Donna said that Sheila called HER. Why would Sheila call Donna Williams? Why not call the Dorrises?
Sheila said that Alysa Seabolt was "dating" Dana Wingate--only when Dana was in Keddie. Zonita said she didn't want her girls hanging around Cabin 28. Did Sheila and Alysa sneak out (very easy to do from the back bedroom in Cabin 27) and go to the "nonexistent" party(ies) where Dana and Johnny may have gone once they got back to Keddie?
Everyone just ASSUMES that Johnny and Dana went STRAIGHT to Cabin 28 from the Exxon. Assumes.
And I simply cannot believe for one second there were "zero" parties in Keddie on a Saturday night.
Remember, Sheila supposedly invited Alice Thompson to the sleepover in Keddie. And Tina, but Alice and Tina couldn't go. Did TINA sneak out after Sue went to bed? There is NO evidence that Tina was asleep in bed when the carnage started. None. Zero. And according to Sheila herself, some of Tina's best clothes and shoes were missing--did she get dressed up as best she could to go to a party? Hell, she and Justin could have snuck out together.
I mean, just what WAS Justin doing there? How eeeeaaaaasy would it have been to tiptoe down that hallway while Sue was on the couch watching TV? Or after Sue fell asleep in the girls bedroom? The nicest way to describe the three oldest Sharp kids, not to mention Dana AND Justin, is, "a handful of trouble." I would say downright wild. And I see very, very little evidence that Sue did much of anything to keep them out of trouble. That doesn't mean they deserved to get murdered, but the vast, vast majority of murder victims live high-risk lives.
Why am I the only person who has ever asked these questions?
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