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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 27, 2015 12:37:14 GMT -6
October 15, 1970, a man calling himself Robert Smith, Jr voluntarily brought a P38 ("Luger") pistol to VPD to be tested against the bullets recovered from the BRS crime. Was this THE Robert Smith, Jr who changed his name to Robert Graysmith, or another Robert Smith, Jr?   |
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Post by Michael M. on May 17, 2017 12:25:41 GMT -6
I don't know, The (th) in Smith on both signatures look similar to me.
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Post by EKH on May 21, 2017 10:52:31 GMT -6
Hmmmm. A signature that's all capital letters.....
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Post by Admin Horan on May 22, 2017 21:47:10 GMT -6
Also, look at the S and the R. And btw, his autograph is EXTREMELY RARE.
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Post by am267810 on Sept 29, 2021 15:10:22 GMT -6
Not the same Robert Smith. This Robert Smith was an accountant for the State of California, born in 1910 and died in 1997. Lived in Vallejo all his life, so it seems. His middle initial was also H. Not sure why he turned in a gun, other than he worked at City Hall and wanted to make sure his name was completely cleared? Obviously a guess.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 1, 2021 11:47:26 GMT -6
Supposably. But, there's no reason for HIM to be hauling a P38 into police HQ. In fact, his friends have flat out said so.
Soooooo, it could have been ANOTHER (snicker) Robert Smith passing himself off as THAT Robert Smith. And again, Graysmear's signature is awfully similar. And it turns out he was running around framing ALA at least as early as Spring 1970. So...
Or, it could have been the real Robert Smith III...but the form says "Jr," which uuuuusually means, "II..."
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Post by am267810 on Oct 1, 2021 13:40:42 GMT -6
It could have obviously been almost anyone, pretty sure the idea of using identification for everything was not a thing in 1969. Police most often probably took your word for who you said you were. If it was the Smith's from Vallejo, with the middle initial of H, it also could have been any of them. I have seen records, newspaper articles, and burials which use the Jr or III interchangeably. I have seen where people mistakenly think that when their father dies they become Sr, so it may be possible he thought that as well. It looks like the son (or now the IV) may have changed that. Also the son was an adult in 1969, could have been him that turned in the gun, but obviously these are all speculations without the proper paperwork and proof of ID, or at least the officer who took the weapon to able to ID the individual. If it was Graysmith, posing as another Smith, why use the same general name, and why turn in a weapon, which I assume would have been his?
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 2, 2021 7:18:12 GMT -6
So he could claim he got it--working in his capacity as an "investigative reporter"--from ALA. Or William Joseph Grant. Or whomever it was he first tried to frame. And he used his real name because he DID have to show some kind of ID. Cops aren't quite THAT lazy and stupid. Unless, of course, the cop WAS that lazy and stupid, and just looked up the address in the phone book.
This pistol was turned into the cops at the very same time Graysmear was camping out in Nicolai's office, feeding him false information about ALA. So, it's very plausible. Very. Remember--SOMEBODY at the Chronicle swiped Stine's trip sheet out of the cab. That was either Keith Power himself, or...Robert Smith Jr? Junior Investigative Reporter 3rd Class, and Outright Fraud 1st Class.
Remember, there is ZERO doubt he's a MASSIVE fraud. Massive. So, I don't think it's all that far-fetched. He almost NEVER gives autographs. But they do closely resemble the signature on this report.
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Post by am267810 on Oct 3, 2021 10:58:17 GMT -6
My apologies, while the name is Robert Smith, it is not the 60 year old accountant. They all use the Jr or III (or whatever) very interchangeably. It is the son of the accountant who was obviously 26 in 1970 (as per the report, which I should have reviewed better). In 1966 he was listed as a student (I would assume college based on the age) and in 1967 he was listed as in the Air National Guard. That would make sense why he had a gun, but doesn't make sense why he would want a ballistics check on it, unless possibly he just purchased it. I have known people who buy a car from an individual and take it to the police to see if it was reported stolen, so maybe he did the same, or maybe it wasn't the one in the Air National Guard at all. Again, sorry, I should, have re-read the reports again before commenting.
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Post by Admin Horan on Oct 4, 2021 6:06:14 GMT -6
No worries. I never claimed I could "prove" it's Graysmear. But it could easily have been.
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