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Post by Omega on Apr 27, 2021 9:10:47 GMT -6
And the hits just keep on coming! Manny posted another recent video on the Lake Avenue boys and related Yonkers sites. Catch it! In it, he briefly mentions Joel Steinberg and his case with the unfortunate manslaughter of Lisa Steinberg. Steinberg was from Yonkers and Manny said there could possibly be Son of Sam connections that need to be looked into further (not necessarily with the SOS shootings direct, but other aspects)
It brought to mind something I have been thinking about asking for awhile, and I was going to post a separate thread on it, but figured I post it here since Manny mentioned Steinberg, but has anyone ever seen or read what is supposedly Maury Terry's second book after "The Ultimate Evil" on the Steinberg case called "The Dark Side of Tenth Street - A True Story of Love Gone Mad" from 1990?
I went looking for this book a few years ago and could never find it. I guess I am not alone, because on Amazon, a reviewer named "Native SF" wrote the following lone review: "Why has this book been erased from the face of the earth? No copies, no reviews, no images- not even any pirate downloads. Maury terry had information about very powerful abusers, and we are not allowed to know."
Does anyone know if this book does indeed exist?
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Post by ace on Apr 27, 2021 9:19:09 GMT -6
And the hits just keep on coming! Manny posted another recent video on the Lake Avenue boys and related Yonkers sites. Catch it! In it, he briefly mentions Joel Steinberg and his case with the unfortunate manslaughter of Lisa Steinberg. Steinberg was from Yonkers and Manny said there could possibly be Son of Sam connections that need to be looked into further (not necessarily with the SOS shootings direct, but other aspects)
It brought to mind something I have been thinking about asking for awhile, and I was going to post a separate thread on it, but figured I post it here since Manny mentioned Steinberg, but has anyone ever seen or read what is supposedly Maury Terry's second book after "The Ultimate Evil" called "The Dark Side of Tenth Street - A True Story of Love Gone Mad" from 1990?
I went looking for this book a few years ago and could never find it. I guess I am not alone, because on Amazon, a reviewer named "Native SF" wrote the following lone review: "Why has this book been erased from the face of the earth? No copies, no reviews, no images- not even any pirate downloads. Maury terry had information about very powerful abusers, and we are not allowed to know."
Does anyone know if this book does indeed exist?
Holy smokes, no, never heard about it!
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Post by mannygrossman on Apr 27, 2021 13:02:57 GMT -6
I think Steinberg holds a lot of keys to the story. Maybe he'd talk at this point? We gotta get to these people before they all die and take their secrets to the grave.
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Post by Omega on Apr 27, 2021 14:48:52 GMT -6
You may be onto something Manny in your latest Lake Avenue video, on the possibility that "Mr. Real Estate" may be someone else with the initials "J.D."
In the later 1999 "Inside Edition" interview that Berkowitz and Maury Terry did, Maury alludes to an infamous "Mr. D" being the only one of the "disciples" to die from natural causes, as oppose to "The Purge"
See the 15:25 mark of the following video:
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Post by mannygrossman on Apr 27, 2021 14:54:26 GMT -6
You may be onto something Manny in your latest Lake Avenue video, on the possibility that "Mr. Real Estate" may be someone else with the initials "J.D."
In the later 1999 "Inside Edition" interview that Berkowitz and Maury Terry did, Maury alludes to an infamous "Mr. D" being the only one of the "disciples" to die from natural causes, as oppose to "The Purge"
See the 15:25 mark of the following video:
Thanks Omega. Yeah, we know the name. Just gotta do some more research on the dude to see what's up. My Mr. RE vid was fun to do, and I'm gonna leave it up, but I'm glad I titled it "The house of Mr. Real Estate?" with that question mark. I wanted to leave myself a little wiggle room.
I gotta say though that watching all of Maury's vids with Berkowitz, Maury does a lot of "leading the witness" and we never really hear Berk make any revelations on his own, but rather in response to Terry's questioning. I will never doubt Berkowitz was a minor bit player, but I don't think he actually knew much about the people and places he was involved in much past the immediate members of the 22 Disciples that he personally encountered. I know I'm being a pain in the ass with my taking down of Maury a notch, but as I learn more and more, I'm starting to wonder about Maury himself more and more. And no, I don't think he himself was a cultist. I just wonder why he left so much out of the book.
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Post by Omega on Apr 27, 2021 15:07:16 GMT -6
I gotta say though that watching all of Maury's vids with Berkowitz, Maury does a lot of "leading the witness" and we never really hear Berk make any revelations on his own, but rather in response to Terry's questioning. I will never doubt Berkowitz was a minor bit player, but I don't think he actually knew much about the people and places he was involved in much past the immediate members of the 22 Disciples that he personally encountered. I know I'm being a pain in the ass with my taking down of Maury a notch, but as I learn more and more, I'm starting to wonder about Maury himself more and more. And no, I don't think he himself was a cultist. I just wonder why he left so much out of the book.
When I first started posting on these here boards, one of my earliest posts included this question:
"Who was pushing their agendas more - Maury or Berkowitz?
And who was the "chicken" and who was the "egg"?
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Post by marionumber1 on Apr 27, 2021 21:33:17 GMT -6
Maury Terry being a cultist probably would not, I agree, square up with the indications we have about his personality. I had thrown it out in the other thread as just an idea I was spitballing because I feel like there does have to be an answer to the question of why Maury withheld what he did. What exactly would he have gained from minimizing the extent to which he knew John Carr from school? One commenter in another thread brought up how John Paul Ranieri claimed to have been raped by Carr and his cult along with three other high schoolers, and questions if Maury could have been one of those victims. This commenter, as it happens, is a spooky individual who goes from site to site under a dozen or so alternate names trying to "debunk" pedophile ring and satanic cult cases, but they do sometimes raise interesting points, like they did here. If Maury was in some way sadistically abused by the teenage cultists, would he have wanted to hide that? Either out of shame, out of an appearance that he was too personally involved to be objective about John Carr, or some combination thereof? It is admittedly more wild speculation on my part, but severe abuse at a young age can also be part of conditioning individuals to be controlled later... The blatant leading Maury did of David Berkowitz always bothered me too, and seemed totally at odds with the solid case built in The Ultimate Evil; if I just watched the Berkowitz interview with no other context, I could see myself feeling that Maury was just pushing his own theory and Berkowitz was constantly saying "yes" without really knowing anything. And I do feel somewhat weird about his closeness with Steven Dunleavy of the Rupert Murdoch media empire, along with another Australian from that milieu named Wayne Darwen who produced the 1993 Inside Edition interview with Berkowitz and was also involved with Geraldo Rivera's show that hosted Maury as well.
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Post by mannygrossman on Apr 28, 2021 7:01:02 GMT -6
Maury Terry being a cultist probably would not, I agree, square up with the indications we have about his personality. I had thrown it out in the other thread as just an idea I was spitballing because I feel like there does have to be an answer to the question of why Maury withheld what he did. What exactly would he have gained from minimizing the extent to which he knew John Carr from school? One commenter in another thread brought up how John Paul Ranieri claimed to have been raped by Carr and his cult along with three other high schoolers, and questions if Maury could have been one of those victims. This commenter, as it happens, is a spooky individual who goes from site to site under a dozen or so alternate names trying to "debunk" pedophile ring and satanic cult cases, but they do sometimes raise interesting points, like they did here. If Maury was in some way sadistically abused by the teenage cultists, would he have wanted to hide that? Either out of shame, out of an appearance that he was too personally involved to be objective about John Carr, or some combination thereof? It is admittedly more wild speculation on my part, but severe abuse at a young age can also be part of conditioning individuals to be controlled later... The blatant leading Maury did of David Berkowitz always bothered me too, and seemed totally at odds with the solid case built in The Ultimate Evil; if I just watched the Berkowitz interview with no other context, I could see myself feeling that Maury was just pushing his own theory and Berkowitz was constantly saying "yes" without really knowing anything. And I do feel somewhat weird about his closeness with Steven Dunleavy of the Rupert Murdoch media empire, along with another Australian from that milieu named Wayne Darwen who produced the 1993 Inside Edition interview with Berkowitz and was also involved with Geraldo Rivera's show that hosted Maury as well. I think it's a healthy thing to question Maury Terry's motivations. It seems that while he was alive he held a lot of sway and power over people, but that is crumbling now that he is gone. And a lot of people are coming out the woodwork saying how much he hindered things while he was alive. There has to be some motivation for all his investigation stifling behavior. I can't even begin to speculate as to the reasons why though. All I know is that the investigative team has to pick up the pieces and almost start from scratch.
I truly believe that the Lake Ave/Boy Scout connection is the way to go. The people and relationships we are untangling are very interesting. Lake Ave's secrets are not yet fully known. I hope to change that with my series.
We are getting a lot of very interesting first hand testimony from people who grew up there, knew the people involved. We even have now in our possession a funeral card from Karen Wahlstrom's funeral as well as a thank you card her grandfather wrote. One person even wrote to us her first hand testimony of Karen's motivations as she knew them. They are so mind blowing I am not revealing them here, but will in a video.
I am super happy to have started my vid series because it took on a life of its own. I never intended to actually be investigating anything. I just had planned on telling the story as it's told in TUE. But the evidence and stories I've seen and heard pushed me into this alternate direction where now I am laser focused on Lake Ave. I am getting a lot of flack for discounting The Process, but hey that comes with the territory. I'm totally cool to receive criticism. I do think the North Dakota info was good, mainly because of John Carr's connections there. But California, Manson, Mentzer? All pure fairy tales IMO, as well as investigative avenues meant to be rabbit holes. I'm not saying we can solve the case, but I do plan on producing a video eventually on the goings-on with the people on Lake Ave that I think will really help to focus people back to Yonkers. Attachments:
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Post by mannygrossman on May 9, 2021 9:48:01 GMT -6
New vid dropping most likely tonite. I'll just let the cat out of the bag. I'm having a sit down with Det. Hank Cinotti in an hour. Hopefully it all goes well. He is getting on in years and I'm not sure how it will go.
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Post by ace on May 9, 2021 10:12:41 GMT -6
New vid dropping most likely tonite. I'll just let the cat out of the bag. I'm having a sit down with Det. Hank Cinotti in an hour. Hopefully it all goes well. He is getting on in years and I'm not sure how it will go. Damn!
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Post by mannygrossman on May 10, 2021 8:17:46 GMT -6
From the viewer comments we found the site in Van Cortlandt Park where many SOS rituals took place. I may head out today to walk and talk it.
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Post by ace on May 10, 2021 8:43:59 GMT -6
From the viewer comments we found the site in Van Cortlandt Park where many SOS rituals took place. I may head out today to walk and talk it. Oh wow! Good luck, brother! Things are just snowballing lately.
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Post by mannygrossman on May 10, 2021 13:06:43 GMT -6
Vid rendering right now. should be up in an hour or so. Got great footage of "Frankie's Castle."
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Post by ace on May 10, 2021 13:32:23 GMT -6
You get some great trolls, btw, and by great I mean obviously crazy.
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Post by mike23 on May 11, 2021 8:47:47 GMT -6
Hey ,Manny.Have you thought of reaching out to Mike Zuckerman,the former Gannett reporter,who was in the Netflix documentary?Early on he did a lot of work with Maury and he seems pretty informed.If I remember right,he reported on the Joseph Carozza murder in New Rochelle.He found out Carozza helped with a loan for Maurys "wicked king wicker" suspect and probably knows a lot about the Yonkers players.He seemed pretty personable.At least thru the tv screen .
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