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Post by Omega on Dec 28, 2020 7:44:58 GMT -6
Hi all and HAPPY HOLIDAYS! Hope all is well!
Well, it looks like we may be getting some "new" Maury Terry/"The Ultimate Evil" items in the Christmas stockings this upcoming April 2021!
Josh Zeman, famous for his "Cropsey" film, is going to be involved and there is also a planned Netflix docuseries. There will be a re-release of "The Ultimate Evil" book (Amazon says around April 20th - first time since 1999. Over 20 years ago!) as well as a podcast off the Netflix series.
There have been rumors, since Maury's death, that his nephew "inherited" Maury's research and may have been "shopping" it around for a media deal. I guess this is what came of it. Interesting, and hopefully exciting, nonetheless!
Maybe Professor, you can explore an interview for your podcast with Zeman?
Here's a link and some details:
"After Terry’s death in 2015, documentary filmmaker Josh Zeman (Cropsey, The Killing Season, Murder Mountain) followed leads Terry left for him, which form the basis of his upcoming docuseries with Netflix and a companion podcast. Taken together with The Ultimate Evil, which includes a new introduction by Zeman, these works reveal the stunning intersections of power, wealth, privilege, and evil in America--from the Summer of Sam until today."
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 28, 2020 8:56:17 GMT -6
That is news. Thanks!
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Post by ace on Dec 28, 2020 11:25:13 GMT -6
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Post by ace on Dec 28, 2020 22:14:22 GMT -6
That was quite a head's up, btw, Omega. There's hardly peep about it anywhere. Barnes and Noble has a preorder but not Amazon (good, f Amazon).
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Post by Admin Horan on Dec 29, 2020 10:41:34 GMT -6
Just what the world needs. More friends of Brian Butler.
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Post by Admin Horan on Jan 19, 2021 7:30:47 GMT -6
Hmmmmm...I was planning to maybe literally "live-debunk" this new series, but if it's done by Zeman...Also, Netflix, so there is no "live broadcast."
I'm certainly curious as to whether they have or found any actual new information, and more curious about whether they even know what we've learned this past year. Supposedly, Maury had a whole bunch of stuff he hadn't published. Let's see if they publish or present any of it.
And remember, kids--you will be watching "true" crime ENTERTAINMENT. Entertainment based on some facts, but entertainment. And any facts that might lead to a potential possibility of a possible lawsuit...Looooooooots of moody music, dark lighting, scary "reenactments," lots of pity for the victims, etc. Entertainment. Very convincing. True? Good question. But if it's from Zeman, I'll watch it.
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Post by ace on Jan 19, 2021 10:37:19 GMT -6
It's interesting that he describes the urban legend of Cropsey and Maury Terry both as cautionary tales. If I was the publisher I would have made him rewrite it for the sake of actually selling the book.
I have my moments where I think, f the "cult" angle, I want to know who their mob contacts were because you're not going to move coke, heroin, girls and occasionally weapons in NYC in the 70's without working with/paying someone whether it's the Mafia, crooked cops or both (I've read elsewhere that the inner core of the Mafia actually recognizes what they do is Satanic in nature but I don't have any links so that's for another time) . Remove the Satanic angle from Terry's (and Berkowitz's) story and this is still a "cautionary tale" about organized crime. After re-reading The Ultimate Evil lately, it does seem at times like this was not stressed enough but it is there. By definition, organized crime is a "conspiracy". That word "conspiracy" makes people think of lizard people with sacred bloodlines ruling the world, but so what, tell that to judges who sentence actual human people to prison for criminal conspiracies.
My hopes are not as high as they were for the Netflix thing.
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Post by ace on Feb 27, 2021 21:45:55 GMT -6
Is the release date for the Netflix thing nailed down?
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 20, 2021 8:26:43 GMT -6
Has anyone read Carl's book yet? I interviewed him last year (off-air, sorry,) and I'm assuming I "know" everything that's in the book, but...and I'm still catching up on reading other books.
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Post by Omega on Mar 20, 2021 9:50:51 GMT -6
Has anyone read Carl's book yet? I interviewed him last year (off-air, sorry,) and I'm assuming I "know" everything that's in the book, but...and I'm still catching up on reading other books. Yes, I have read it.
It's an easy read and covers Carl's involvement with the "Son of Sam" case from his attack in October 1976 up until today. The book rehashes the known historical backgrounds of the eight Son of Sam attacks, his relationship with Maury Terry and current correspondence with David Berkowitz.
There are a few nuggets dropped here and there that seem new, but I wish there was more elaboration and details on these.
I don't want to ruin any parts of this new info here (for those who haven't read the book yet) but here are some vague references without giving away much in spoilers:
- Carl has narrowed the shooter in his attack down to possibly two different people. For a long time, he had only one name.
- The location of where the girls (Lomino/DeMasi) got off the bus, before the third Son of Sam attack, was slightly different than originally thought. Carl was told by a detective that a famous fast food chain restaurant was located near this bus stop, that was also prevalent in other attacks.
- In the back of the book, Carl recaps the cast of characters in the Son of Sam saga in alphabetical order. Some are real names. Some are the Maury pseudonym names. One name, that pops up in two different parts, is a famous name that supposedly worked with both Fred Cowan and Jack Cassara at Neptune Moving in New Rochelle. This name has been mentioned in the past as affiliated with the Son of Sam story, but I never heard this before about this person being affiliated with Neptune Moving.
I wish there was more elaboration on these in the book, but the book was a decent read overall.
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Post by Admin Horan on Mar 20, 2021 17:32:43 GMT -6
Don't worry about spoilers. What are the names? Thanks!
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Post by Jon on Apr 3, 2021 14:37:58 GMT -6
A friend and fellow researcher put Zeman in touch with me and we spoke briefly back in December, mostly with regard to Reeve Rockman (about whose true identity we appeared to disagree). I'll definitely be watching the Netflix series when it's finally released, but when I read the new intro to "The Ultimate Evil" a couple of months ago, I found it a little...I don't know. Possibly I'm misinterpreting the tone of it. I'm glad the book will be widely available again.
In the meantime I'm still digging around. In February I spoke to an acquaintance of one of the (late) suspects, and was rewarded with some interesting information and photos. There definitely was a conspiracy at work, and in this case it involved a man and woman posing as a married couple.
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Post by Omega on Apr 3, 2021 18:22:37 GMT -6
A friend and fellow researcher put Zeman in touch with me and we spoke briefly back in December, mostly with regard to Reeve Rockman (about whose true identity we appeared to disagree). I'll definitely be watching the Netflix series when it's finally released, but when I read the new intro to "The Ultimate Evil" a couple of months ago, I found it a little...I don't know. Possibly I'm misinterpreting the tone of it. I'm glad the book will be widely available again. JON! How the heck are you? It's been awhile since I've seen you posting in these parts! Hope you hang around and post more often!
Interesting, on the Zeman/"Rockman" take. I guess Josh has Maury's research and is basing things on that. I like the research you've done and your possible "suspect". Did Josh give you a name of his suspect or is it he just disagrees with yours, without providing any further details?
In "The Ultimate Evil", Maury provides the following on "Rockman's" description:
"Rockman was born in 1947, was about five feet nine, had a medium build and straight, sandy-colored hair. He also had some type of defect or deformity of one of his fingers or thumbs, which caused him to favor the hand and discreetly shield the imperfection from others."
I think your suspect is actually a little younger than Berkowitz, which would put him being born in the mid 1950s and he would be in his early 20s in the 1976-1977 Son of Sam time frame. Maury's suspect would be closer to 30 at this time. It seemed he was more established in the business world (accountant?) and also had a high degree of respect and placement in the overall cult. Definitely not impossible for someone in their early 20s to ascend to such heights in both roles, but closer to 30 seems more plausible.
I know you also mentioned the deformity thing with the hand or fingers with your suspect, but I couldn't tell.
The "Rockman" pseudonym name though has to be in line with the real name, based on the conversation that Maury and Hank Cinotti had with Terry Gardner in North Dakota, to make the following make sense (also from "The Ultimate Evil):
""What about Rockman?" Hank demanded. "How the hell did you get him?" Gardner chuckled. "I talked to Craig O'Connor, who told me Carr was afraid of a 'Rockman.' I thought he said 'rock man.' I even put it in my notes that way: 'Carr said a rock man is going to kill him, apparently a musician.'"
"Rock man," I teased again. "Who'd you think it was, David Bowie?"
Outside of the new introduction by Josh Z in the release of "The Ultimate Evil" book in a few weeks (April 20th), I'm not expecting much, if anything new to be revealed. I think the book is being released just to get it out and available to the public, to set up the four-part Netflix documentary series that is supposedly coming out in May.
Don't be a stranger Jon around these parts! Post more! Your insight and contributions are valuable and appreciated!
BTW, I don't know if you saw it, but "The Brain" site has been back up and running for a few months now. It seems, everyone wants a piece of the action currently!
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Post by Jon on Apr 3, 2021 19:10:00 GMT -6
Thanks, Omega! I appreciate it. My guy is 67 at present, which would make him youngish for someone with a position of status in the cult during the Sam attacks, but as I began to research his history, so much of it fit Terry's description of Reeve Rockman. Josh did suggest an alternate suspect, but as far as I've been able to ascertain, this man's history didn't resemble that of the Reeve Rockman described in "The Ultimate Evil": no accounting work for a drug rehab facility, etc. Josh also forwarded a photo of my suspect with his left hand (mostly) visible and asked if I could make out any deformities. The hand wasn't right out there to examine in great detail, but the thumb appears to be abnormally long--nearly finger-length. This was a candid photo; in all the posed photos he goes to great pains to conceal his left hand (even turning his back to the camera in one photo, looking over his shoulder to smile). And, as you point out, the pseudonym had to be in line with the suspect's real name. I keep hoping that I'll be able to track down an older photo of my suspect; no luck so far on that front, but biographically (except for the year of his birth) and name-wise, he fits.
I was very happy to see that the SOS Cult site had returned, yes! It's an incredibly valuable resource for anyone interested in this case.
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Post by Admin Horan on Apr 3, 2021 22:13:31 GMT -6
I don't know if you two heard today's episode, but I'd like to set up a zoom chat among some of us to talk about maybe looking into this Luka Magnotta case. It's got soooooooooo much in common with some of these other cases, including organized crime in Toronto and a psych hospital in Montreal. If you get a chance, watch that short series on Netflix Don't Fuck With Cats. I've started looking into that case, but I don't want to talk about it on the website just yet. I want to get a few of us together on a zoom chat or something (people don't have to show their faces or voices if they don't want to, and it won't be recorded) just to run over the case and talk about some things I have found out already.
In any case, keep up the good work!
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